Have any of you noticed that his wife is quite well breasted ?
At the end of the broadcast they are standing together and he's talking while she makes facial gestures. Do you think he has his hand on her ass or am I the only one ?
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"It's a terrible thing when governments send their young men to kill each other." Charles Byrne,WW2 Vet. On the day Desert Storm began.
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
Anyone remember that dustup she had with a groid flight attendant a few years back? Groid tried to act like she was assaulted cause one of them tig ol biddies brushed up against her.
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers/attendees a week. I’ve tried to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me. But he clearly does something good for many, many thousands of people on a regular basis. I’ve seen his house in the River Oaks section of Houston. It’s pretty flippin’ nice.
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
I only see the end where he has my hand on her ass.
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"It's a terrible thing when governments send their young men to kill each other." Charles Byrne,WW2 Vet. On the day Desert Storm began.
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers a week. I’ve tried to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me.
Too much feel-good-ism brand of Christianity, I don’t see him admonishing or exhorting people in their wicked, earthly ways too much. Just a bunch of happy jive type BS.
His dad was a pretty popular pastor down there for many years, but the church itself really skyrocketed after his father died and Joel took over the reins of the church.
Anyone remember that dustup she had with a groid flight attendant a few years back? Groid tried to act like she was assaulted cause one of them tig ol biddies brushed up against her.
Fook...you serious ? LMAO.
Due to the increased price of ammo, don't expect a warning shot...
Anyone remember that dustup she had with a groid flight attendant a few years back?
Reportedly Victoria got pissed because there was a stain the size of a quarter on the armrest of her first-class seat, and she demanded that something be done about it immediately. Whatever ensued, she ended up being escorted off the plane (which was bound for Vail, Colorado) and paid a three thousand dollar fine for interfering with a flight crew member.
His dad was a pretty popular pastor down there for many years, but the church itself really skyrocketed after his father died and Joel took over the reins of the church.
I watched John for many years. He was a real bible thumper and delivered a great message. Joel did not want to take the reins when john passed away. Joel was happy doing the media thing with the cameras and audio. Then his mom convinced him that it was his calling and when Joel first took the reins I wondered if it was going to work, fast forward to today and his ministry is going gang busters, but as mentioned above it is all feel good and no meat to his messages.
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Do you ever watch Joel...? He seems to be more of a life coach to me. But even so, I just can’t get interested in anything he has to say. Over 50,000 attendees a week, and many more online and on TV clearly do...I’m just not one of em’.
I listened for years to Tony Evans, black preacher from Oakcliff in Texas. Guy was fired up all the time. My commercial-free station quit his broadcast a while back.
Do you ever watch Joel...? He seems to be more of a life coach to me. But even so, I just can’t get interested in anything he has to say. Over 50,000 attendees a week, and many more online and on TV clearly do...I’m just not one of em’.
This. He does not preach from scripture. Not a bible based sermon. He is pretty much a prosperity preacher but well hidden.
Not a fan but if he brings folks closer to God that's fine.
Faith and love of others knows no mileage nor bounds. That's simply the way it is. dogzapper
After the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box. Italian Proverb
I agree with this guy 100%. What portion of the church's take the preacher gets is debatable. But a preacher taking over $100k, living in a multiple million estate, Might just be out of line pressuring an old widow for 10% plus "Love" offerings out of her $800/month SS.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
I listened for years to Tony Evans, black preacher from Oakcliff in Texas. Guy was fired up all the time. My commercial-free station quit his broadcast a while back.
I don't care if a preacher is popular. It would be good to have a popular gospel preacher sharing the truth with so many. What I do want to know is this.... How does the preacher stand up to the Bible's requirements on this most important subject?
Ghandi was right... "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.
"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and cheat them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.
Ghandi was right... "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.
"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and cheat them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Do you ever watch Joel...? He seems to be more of a life coach to me. But even so, I just can’t get interested in anything he has to say. Over 50,000 attendees a week, and many more online and on TV clearly do...I’m just not one of em’.
This. He does not preach from scripture. Not a bible based sermon. He is pretty much a prosperity preacher but well hidden.
Not a fan but if he brings folks closer to God that's fine.
I equate him to Reverend Ike.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
Luke 24:7 "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."
There's an extra ticket to heaven that's already been paid for. It's yours with no strings attached if you want it. It'll just go to waste if you don't take it. Cost more than a Superbowl ticket expense paid vacation. It's in my sig below.
Olsteen's ticket costs whatever you can pay, but is only a one way, south where there's a real hot climate. 😉
I don’t see a problem with him, or anybody else having a lotta money. Good for them, and more money to em’. The problem, according to Jesus, isn’t them having the money; the problem is the money having them. A dude on here recently said Christians were supposed to sell everything they had and give the money to the poor. He said it more than once. Jesus ‘did’ say that to the rich young ruler, ‘because’ money was his god, he loved his money more than he loved God. That’s why he was so sad when Jesus told him that. It was clear what was truly important to the rich young ruler. It was money, first and foremost, even over God.
Not an Osteen fan either, and not a fan of any of the prosperity gospel preacher types. FWIW, Osteen doesn't take a salary from his megachurch, he makes it on his books, podcasts, etc.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Not an Osteen fan either, and not a fan of any of the prosperity gospel preacher types. FWIW, Osteen doesn't take a salary from his megachurch, he makes it on his books, podcasts, etc.
The business model for many of these wretched detestables.
I remember they got a lot of heat when the hurricane hit houston and they were hesitant to open the doors of the church for folks who lost their house. I've watched his sermons a few times years ago, not for me. If he really makes all his money from his books and podcasts then good for him. But I tend to question if the megachurch type pastors are being very genuine or if it's just an act.
Something about it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Where does it say that? Who said it? I wonder if Osteen knows about that verse.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
Something about it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Where does it say that? Who said it? I wonder if Osteen knows about that verse.
Perhaps Osteen would say that such things are impossible with man, but with God all things are possible?
The thing about those who fail to preach sin is they also inevitably fail to preach grace. The Gospel of our Lord Jesus is one of grace and pardon from a sin so serious that God had to die to redeem us.
That isn’t a Gospel that yields the sorts of book sales and net worth that Osteen is wed to and illustrates much about what our Lord was teaching in the quote mentioned above.
Of course if there is no hope for Osteen there can be done for me or anyone else because we’re all equally lost when God is made the comparison and not men. Praise God that grace is greater than anything Osteen has ever seen fit to preach.
The biggest problem I have with Osteen and the others is this "if you have enough faith, abundance and blessing is heading your way. It takes grace right out of the equation. The fact is, bad things happen to Christians and non-Christians alike.....or better yet "it rains on the just and the unjust". You never hear these guys preach that (the Truth).
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers/attendees a week. I’ve tried to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me. But he clearly does something good for many, many thousands of people on a regular basis. I’ve seen his house in the River Oaks section of Houston. It’s pretty flippin’ nice.
Cant believe Americans are so dumb to follow this charlatan and scam artist. This fake and his wife are Laughing all the way to the bank.
The biggest problem I have with Osteen and the others is this "if you have enough faith, abundance and blessing is heading your way. It takes grace right out of the equation. The fact is, bad things happen to Christians and non-Christians alike.....or better yet "it rains on the just and the unjust". You never hear these guys preach that (the Truth).
Or any other truth that makes the congregation squirm. Those big city mega churches are one thing, but the rural folks have them too. Just to scale.
Big church, youth this, youth that, youth pastors, associate pastors, hindereds of members.
What they don't have is a preacher that hammers the word, And occasionally kicks then in the butt. They go to church, to go to church. See and be seen. There are churches with the solid type of preachers. For some reason, they have less attendance!
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Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
The biggest problem I have with Osteen and the others is this "if you have enough faith, abundance and blessing is heading your way. It takes grace right out of the equation. The fact is, bad things happen to Christians and non-Christians alike.....or better yet "it rains on the just and the unjust". You never hear these guys preach that (the Truth).
can't make lots of coin preaching the truth. He's no different that Bernie Madoff. In fact he and his addicted to plastic surgery and private jets wife are worse and if there is a Hell he and all of his minions will rot there.
I don’t see a problem with him, or anybody else having a lotta money. Good for them, and more money to em’. The problem, according to Jesus, isn’t them having the money; the problem is the money having them. A dude on here recently said Christians were supposed to sell everything they had and give the money to the poor. He said it more than once. Jesus ‘did’ say that to the rich young ruler, ‘because’ money was his god, he loved his money more than he loved God. That’s why he was so sad when Jesus told him that. It was clear what was truly important to the rich young ruler. It was money, first and foremost, even over God.
Him having money is not the problem. The problem is him bullshitting people into believing that they will be saved by giving it to him.
Pure grifter.
Jesus told me to get a jet to spread the word!! Yeah, buddy! Maybe you’ll spread your brains on the ceiling.
PTL!!! Amen!
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
He graduated from Humble High School, a public high school in the city of Humble, Texas, in 1981,[6] and attended Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where he studied radio and television communications, but did not graduate; he did not receive a degree from a divinity school.[7][8] In 1982, he returned to Houston, founded Lakewood's television program, and produced his father's televised sermons for 17 years until January 1999, when his father died unexpectedly from a heart attack.[7][9]
He knows the jesus.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
Seen a few of em There'll be a whore or a twinkie come along with some photos or videos and he'll have to start up a new gig like swaggart or lamb or baker or tilton did ( I'm sure there's many others, I just can't remember all of them )
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers a week. I’ve tried to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me.
Too much feel-good-ism brand of Christianity, I don’t see him admonishing or exhorting people in their wicked, earthly ways too much. Just a bunch of happy jive type BS.
That appeals to channel surfer Christians.
Slum nailed it. We discussed Osteen in our Sunday School class yesterday. He preaches what people want to hear, which in turn means they open up their wallets for him.
The biggest problem I have with Osteen and the others is this "if you have enough faith, abundance and blessing is heading your way. It takes grace right out of the equation. The fact is, bad things happen to Christians and non-Christians alike.....or better yet "it rains on the just and the unjust". You never hear these guys preach that (the Truth).
You also never hear him preaching about Jesus or the Holy Spirit. I can remember when his old man's church was next door to a tittie bar on Winkler. Think the old man was into saving souls instead of the broad way where Joel's headed.
About 15 years or so ago my wife and daughters and I were on a mini-vacation in Branson about a week before Christmas. We were on the Landing doing some shopping and went into Bass Pro Shops, just looking and hanging out. I turned the corner from one aisle into the next and there were Joel and his wife browsing some items. I had known Joel's older brother, Paul, about 20 years prior to that when we were on the same dorm wing my freshman year at ORU. So I figured what the heck, I'll go ahead and introduce myself to him. I did so and we chatted for a few minutes, small talk about fishing and families and stuff. He was real nice, just a regular guy. Anyway, our conversation ended and we went our ways. About an hour later my family and I went to a BBQ place in Branson for dinner. A few minutes after we got seated, in walks Joel and his wife. As they walked by us towards their seats, he gave me a wave and a smile. So I guess that was my "brush with fame," LOL!
Like some of the previous posters in this thread have mentioned, sometimes I wonder about the message he preaches, how it's sort of soft and feel-good. But also as some have said, he probably reaches people that may not have otherwise heard the gospel and they are ministered to. But I won't judge him as far as the money aspects and stuff as that's not my place, it's God's, and one day in eternity he will have to give account for his actions, as we all will.
“And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;”
This is why I never bother giving a second of my time to people like Osteen. I have no way of knowing him. I can know my own pastor, watch how he lives and interacts with people. On that I can build my case as to what he is. Not the case with someone I'll never meet.
The Bible also teaches not to be a stumbling block to others. His lavish lifestyle does exactly that.
Like some of the previous posters in this thread have mentioned, sometimes I wonder about the message he preaches, how it's sort of soft and feel-good. But also as some have said, he probably reaches people that may not have otherwise heard the gospel and they are ministered to.
Traditional Christian ‘religion’ is clearly a turnoff for millions of people in this country. It’s not that they don’t believe, it’s that what they’ve seen and experienced with it is so unattractive to them. They’re unaffiliated. I’ve never met anyone who walked away from it because of something that had anything to do with Jesus. I’ve met people who walked away from it for all kinds of reasons. But I’ve never met anyone who walked away from it because of something that had anything to do with Jesus. With over 50,000 weekly attendees, and many millions more who view online or on TV (and read his books), he’s clearly reaching a lotta people with his message. Outside of the theology of the prosperity gospel, if his message is doing them some good, and it’s making their lives better, and it’s motivating them to get cleaned up and go to work and become productive and take care of their families and become better people, etc...., then so be it. If someone chooses to go to a life coach, I’m OK with it.
It's a message that lots of people "want" to hear, but big numbers doesn't make his message right. Sunday Night Football gets big numbers as well.
”Sunday Night Football” likely doesn’t do people some good on the inside, and it likely doesn’t motivate them to make their lives better...and to get cleaned up and go to work and become productive and take care of their families and become better people, etc....
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers/attendees a week. I’ve tried to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me. But he clearly does something good for many, many thousands of people on a regular basis. I’ve seen his house in the River Oaks section of Houston. It’s pretty flippin’ nice.
Any "Church" that has $ 100 million needs to reassess their mission if all that was spent on renovating a building.
$90 mil of it might have had a higher purpose helping others and if you can't build a nice enough "House of Worship" for $10 mil, perhaps it's not a "House of Worship" but a measure of one's grandiosity.
And folks wonder why some of us choose to worship outdoors, in the mountains, forests, prairies and waterways.
Sheesh, hold into the feathering of thy nests.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
It's a message that lots of people "want" to hear, but big numbers doesn't make his message right. Sunday Night Football gets big numbers as well.
”Sunday Night Football” likely doesn’t do people some good on the inside, and it likely doesn’t motivate them to make their lives better...and to get cleaned up and go to work and become productive and take care of their families and become better people, etc....
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
It's a message that lots of people "want" to hear, but big numbers doesn't make his message right. Sunday Night Football gets big numbers as well.
”Sunday Night Football” likely doesn’t do people some good on the inside, and it likely doesn’t motivate them to make their lives better...and to get cleaned up and go to work and become productive and take care of their families and become better people, etc....
Good works won't get you anywhere.
I agree that they don’t get one into an eternity with God. But the above things most definitely makes one’s life ‘here’ better, and they also make one’s loved ones lives better too.
It's a message that lots of people "want" to hear, but big numbers doesn't make his message right. Sunday Night Football gets big numbers as well.
”Sunday Night Football” likely doesn’t do people some good on the inside, and it likely doesn’t motivate them to make their lives better...and to get cleaned up and go to work and become productive and take care of their families and become better people, etc....
Good works won't get you anywhere.
I agree that they don’t get one into an eternity with God. But the above things most definitely makes one’s life ‘here’ better, and they also make one’s loved ones lives better too.
It does make one "better", but should be to glorify God, not self which is usually what happens.
If someone wants/needs to go to a life coach, or a marriage counselor, or a therapist, or a doctor, or whoever else in order to make themselves healthier in body, mind, and spirit...then so be it.
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers/attendees a week. I’ve tried to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me. But he clearly does something good for many, many thousands of people on a regular basis. I’ve seen his house in the River Oaks section of Houston. It’s pretty flippin’ nice.
Any "Church" that has $ 100 million needs to reassess their mission if all that was spent on renovating a building.
$90 mil of it might have had a higher purpose helping others and if you can't build a nice enough "House of Worship" for $10 mil, perhaps it's not a "House of Worship" but a measure of one's grandiosity.
And folks wonder why some of us choose to worship outdoors, in the mountains, forests, prairies and waterways.
Sheesh, hold into the feathering of thy nests.
Down here in the dirty south,
You don’t have a church til you have a “family life center” aka a gym.
Dave
�The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it.� Lou Holtz
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers/attendees a week. I’ve tried to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me. But he clearly does something good for many, many thousands of people on a regular basis. I’ve seen his house in the River Oaks section of Houston. It’s pretty flippin’ nice.
Any "Church" that has $ 100 million needs to reassess their mission if all that was spent on renovating a building.
$90 mil of it might have had a higher purpose helping others and if you can't build a nice enough "House of Worship" for $10 mil, perhaps it's not a "House of Worship" but a measure of one's grandiosity.
And folks wonder why some of us choose to worship outdoors, in the mountains, forests, prairies and waterways.
Sheesh, hold into the feathering of thy nests.
Down here in the dirty south,
You don’t have a church til you have a “family life center” aka a gym.
$10 Million would buy a really nice house of worship and a big friggen family life center for sure.
I'm still of the opinion that $100 mil is an outrageous misuse of "offerings" for the Church.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
It's a message that lots of people "want" to hear, but big numbers doesn't make his message right. Sunday Night Football gets big numbers as well.
”Sunday Night Football” likely doesn’t do people some good on the inside, and it likely doesn’t motivate them to make their lives better...and to get cleaned up and go to work and become productive and take care of their families and become better people, etc....
Good works won't get you anywhere.
I'm left wondering what "love your neighbor as yourself" looks like without works.
Its all right to be white!! Stupidity left unattended will run rampant Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience
That Copeland video JeffP posted up there got me to thinking. Seems he needs a private plane to do the Lord's work.
I wonder if Jesus used a private donkey to do his Father's work?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers/attendees a week. I’ve trmied to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me. But he clearly does something good for many, many thousands of people on a regular basis. I’ve seen his house in the River Oaks section of Houston. It’s pretty flippin’ nice.
Any "Church" that has $ 100 million needs to reassess their mission if all that was spent on renovating a building.
$90 mil of it might have had a higher purpose helping others and if you can't build a nice enough "House of Worship" for $10 mil, perhaps it's not a "House of Worship" but a measure of one's grandiosity.
And folks wonder why some of us choose to worship outdoors, in the mountains, forests, prairies and waterways.
Sheesh, hold into the feathering of thy nests.
Down here in the dirty south,
You don’t have a church til you have a “family life center” aka a gym.
got to have FLC for the Upwards Basketball and Wild Game Supper, and Gospel-Bluegrass Fish Fry Hoedown
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers/attendees a week. I’ve trmied to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me. But he clearly does something good for many, many thousands of people on a regular basis. I’ve seen his house in the River Oaks section of Houston. It’s pretty flippin’ nice.
Any "Church" that has $ 100 million needs to reassess their mission if all that was spent on renovating a building.
$90 mil of it might have had a higher purpose helping others and if you can't build a nice enough "House of Worship" for $10 mil, perhaps it's not a "House of Worship" but a measure of one's grandiosity.
And folks wonder why some of us choose to worship outdoors, in the mountains, forests, prairies and waterways.
Sheesh, hold into the feathering of thy nests.
Down here in the dirty south,
You don’t have a church til you have a “family life center” aka a gym.
got to have FLC for the Upwards Basketball and Wild Game Supper, and Gospel-Bluegrass Fish Fry Hoedown
If'n they gots the good hush puppies at that fish fry, I'm in for two dinners.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
I've mentioned it many times before relating to religious threads on this board. When people get involved, in anything, it becomes a convoluted, screwed up mess. It's a real turnoff for many that are actually seeking the Truth, and it's a sad reality. God judges the heart, and is the only One who can do so. Man cannot.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
It's a message that lots of people "want" to hear, but big numbers doesn't make his message right. Sunday Night Football gets big numbers as well.
”Sunday Night Football” likely doesn’t do people some good on the inside, and it likely doesn’t motivate them to make their lives better...and to get cleaned up and go to work and become productive and take care of their families and become better people, etc....
Good works won't get you anywhere.
It's true salvation comes before good works but good works keep a man where he is supposed to be.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.Ep 2:10
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
I've mentioned it many times before relating to religious threads on this board. When people get involved, in anything, it becomes a convoluted, screwed up mess. It's a real turnoff for many that are actually seeking the Truth, and it's a sad reality. God judges the heart, and is the only One who can do so. Man cannot.
Yep. And no matter how much good a particular entity might do, they aren’t perfect, and there will still be many who find fault with them. If Jesus Himself showed up again teaching the same things He taught 2000 years ago, He’d be criticized by many (just like He was ‘then’). And much of the criticism would likely come from ‘religious’ people (just like it was ‘then’).
That Copeland video JeffP posted up there got me to thinking. Seems he needs a private plane to do the Lord's work.
I wonder if Jesus used a private donkey to do his Father's work?
That was Jesse Duplantis. His conversation with Copeland about needing a jet is priceless
And folks believe that.
Free country and free to believe what one wants to believe.
I guess if I was of the type where the Spirit moved me to jump up outa my seat and have a conversation with God, I'd need a private plane too.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
I've mentioned it many times before relating to religious threads on this board. When people get involved, in anything, it becomes a convoluted, screwed up mess. It's a real turnoff for many that are actually seeking the Truth, and it's a sad reality. God judges the heart, and is the only One who can do so. Man cannot.
Yep. And no matter how much good a particular entity might do, they aren’t perfect, and there will still be many who find fault with them. If Jesus Himself showed up again teaching the same things He taught 2000 years ago, He’d be criticized by many (just like He was ‘then’). And much of the criticism would likely come from ‘religious’ people (just like it was ‘then’).
Gee, ya think?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
I've mentioned it many times before relating to religious threads on this board. When people get involved, in anything, it becomes a convoluted, screwed up mess. It's a real turnoff for many that are actually seeking the Truth, and it's a sad reality. God judges the heart, and is the only One who can do so. Man cannot.
Good works won't get you anywhere. I agree that they don’t get one into an eternity with God. But the above things most definitely makes one’s life ‘here’ better, and they also make one’s loved ones lives better too.
You know the problem. These folks think that if they do what Osteen says, they are eternally saved. Heaven forbid they read the Bible and test the teaching. I bet 90%+ of the congregation have never cracked a Bible.
Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version) "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
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