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Truth. And they never paid for it, either.

A good friend of mine was stationed in Germany between the Korean and Vietnam war and he got to know many of the locals there. According to those the he spoke with about the War many German soldiers actually were surrendering to us and Patton was a part of that. They knew they'd get far better treatment if they surrendered to us as opposed to the Russians. The Russians were killing German soldiers after the war. Anyone alive today that thinks those people are any different now as opposed then might be in for a rude awakening.

By the latter part of 1942 Russia had lost over 4,000,000 soldiers and had to start all over again! Do you honestly believe that the USA could have done that?????

As far as General Patton is concerned, Either like him or dislike him but it took Montgomery 3 weeks to take Caen. Patton would have gotten it done in 3 days.

The payback was more dead Russians, more dead Germans, fewer dead Americans.

It's evem worse now.

We had a tremendous amount of air power projection the Russians didnt have .
2k plus bomber raids over Germany daily shut down or reduced in march/april 45 over germany due to lack of tgts.

We coulda bombed the marshalling,staging areas, supply areas, and logitics routes of their ground forces with complete air superiority then air supremacy.
And caused them to go back to their pre war border where they belonged like Patton said.
And then conducted ground mop up operations in conjunction with air support.
Easily.......


All a pipe dream.......
Cant change History......

Roosevelt sold out eastern europe to Stalin cause he was naive and thought stalin would let eastern European countries have some sort of independence.
Churchill knew Stalin was the devil but churchill had to go along for his nations survival with Roosevelt dominating world veiw policy for the west.

Roosevelt sold out the world in his misbegotten opinon of Stalin

(Without using nukes) The USA would win a very difficult war.
Air superiority would be the main key to winning. One simply could not win a war, other than guerilla, without air superiority.
We could bomb most of their important cities. We could daylight bomb their armies that were moving westward. Their tanks would not last under constant bombing.

Manufacturing is another reason. We kept the Soviets in supplies. Unless we supplied them so they could keep fighting, they'd lose. (of course, during Viet Nam we did supply them so they could fight us)

Third, every nation west of Russia would ally themselves with the USA, especially the Germans, Poles, and Austrians. Finland, Sweden, and Norway would also.

I'm wondering if the Ukraine might be considered in that as well. Operation Barbarossa took the Germans into the Ukraine first where they were considered as liberators (more or less) but they totally blew that by lumping in everyone east of Germany as Untermensch and treating them accordingly.

If the US could have reached out to the Ukraine as a separate country (hmm, sound current?) they might have secured an ally of sorts directly between Russia and the bulk of its fighting force, even if that ally did nothing more than sabotage supply lines and interrupt the food source. We could never have occupied the entire Soviet Union but just driving the Russians back into Russia and leaving Eastern Europe and the Baltic states as independent countries would have changed the face of the cold war immeasurably.

"What if" games are fun to think about but mostly I think Idaho Shooter's post is the most accurate - everyone was tired of war and countries were damn near broke from fighting as it was. I can't see many politicians running for re-election on a platform of changing a hard won victory into the promise of several more years of bodies and higher taxes and especially fighting a country that until then was an ally, no matter how prescient Patton and others may have been.

That weariness extended into the Korean War five years later, once China entered no one wanted to put forth the effort needed to conquer and occupy that large land mass.

The change from Churchill/Roosevelt to Atlee/Truman did not help matters.
Suddenly two novices are at the negotiation table with Uncle Joe who was more powerful than he had been at any point to date.

How many of us would be alive now if we had continued the war by going after the USSR? A lot of our fathers/grandfathers would've been killed.

And keep in mind, in 1945 the bulk of the Soviet army was already in Germany. We may have had a bigger army overall, but most weren't in Germany. It would have taken 6 months or more just to move enough troops and equipment to begin an offensive. That would be a very rough offensive to kick off, because Russia had over 400 divisions in Germany and Poland...we had about 60.

Any post WWII with the Russians would have been nuclear and would not have involved nearly the amount of ground combat as the WWII European theatre had. This is a good little article.

https://canadiandimension.com/artic...lanned-to-bomb-russia-into-the-stone-age

Roosevelt wasn't even a pipe's dream close to the hero all these modern commies want to make him out to be.

#fugginjoke

I think Roosevelt's biggest contribution to the war effort was hiring George C. Marshall to build our military up from a very small (160k) regional army, to a very large (11 million) major international army. And George Marshall did an absolutely brilliant job. Where the war is concerned, if Roosevelt ever had a good idea, you can bet it was whispered in his ear by George C. Marshall.

It seems like Roosevelt's most influential military advisor was Leahy. Yet, all but real history buffs aren't even familiar with him.

If that's true, they should have doubled down.

Another thing to consider about going after the USSR is that we had quite a few occupation troops in Japan for quite a time that weren't available.

The scary thing about WWII is the only reason Germany lost was because of Hitler and Goering. Had Hitler went ahead and invaded England after Dunkirk Europe would've been his. He could've captured most of the British land force at Dunkirk. He should've left Russia alone until he had Europe beat but his ego wouldn't let him. He could not listen to his Generals.

Good point but I'm not sure it exceeds his expansion of the Navy.