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With the leftist in control pushing everyone to get the vaccine, and the very real possibility of a Vaccine Passport becoming a reality, I believe these prophecies are being proven true even as we speak. I think you nearly answered your own question. Remember that the Pfizer and Moderna "jabs" are not vaccines, they change your mRNA thus they are genetic engineering. The J&J shot, which uses dead virus to trigger the immune response, is, correctly speaking, the only true vaccine available in the US. Astrazeneca, which is not approved here, is also a vaccine. To the crux of the question though, no, my best guess is it is not the "vaccine" which is the mark of the beast but rather it is the vaccine registration card that is the mark. Having seen picture of people having auto-immune reactions to injected "stuff", I think those may well be the sores, etc mentioned in Revelation 16:2 when the first vial or bowl is opened. I'm not "deep end religious", I believe Christ died for my sins and I accept His sacrifice, but I'm generally not very highly observant. Understand that context then when I say what I see happening I find very concerning. Nobody knows the day but the Father, but things are lining up considerably .. if this isn't it it's a real real close miss. Tom
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The believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them. Agreed. But from ‘that’ perspective, is it OK for believers to be significantly overweight and significantly unhealthy and significantly out of shape due to their poor eating habits and their sedentary lifestyle and their overall neglect of their general health...? But at the same time denigrating these Covid shots because “believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them”...? Gluttony and morbid obesity are the only sins that many preachers not only allow, but are quite fond of. 😉 ...and all the big mommas said "AMEN!"
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The believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them. Agreed. But from ‘that’ perspective, is it OK for believers to be significantly overweight and significantly unhealthy and significantly out of shape due to their poor eating habits and their sedentary lifestyle and their overall neglect of their general health...? But at the same time denigrating these Covid shots because “believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them”...? Gluttony and morbid obesity are the only sins that many preachers not only allow, but are quite fond of. 😉 ...and all the big mommas said "AMEN!" Those are also forgivable. Taking the mark won't be.
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The believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them. Agreed. But from ‘that’ perspective, is it OK for believers to be significantly overweight and significantly unhealthy and significantly out of shape due to their poor eating habits and their sedentary lifestyle and their overall neglect of their general health...? But at the same time denigrating these Covid shots because “believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them”...? Gluttony and morbid obesity are the only sins that many preachers not only allow, but are quite fond of. 😉 ...and all the big mommas said "AMEN!" Those are also forgivable. Taking the mark won't be. This is true. I'm my own worse enemy and caused myself more problems than I can blame on others. If it were not for God's grace and forgiveness, I'd be doomed. When I see the morbidly obese, I only need to look in a mirror of my childhood. The mark will somehow be a rejection of Christ to the point that they will seal their fate.
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The believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them. Agreed. But from ‘that’ perspective, is it OK for believers to be significantly overweight and significantly unhealthy and significantly out of shape due to their poor eating habits and their sedentary lifestyle and their overall neglect of their general health...? But at the same time denigrating these Covid shots because “believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them”...? Gluttony and morbid obesity are the only sins that many preachers not only allow, but are quite fond of. 😉 ...and all the big mommas said "AMEN!" Those are also forgivable. Taking the mark won't be. This is true. I'm my own worse enemy and caused myself more problems than I can blame on others. If it were not for God's grace and forgiveness, I'd be doomed. When I see the morbidly obese, I only need to look in a mirror of my childhood. The mark will somehow be a rejection of Christ to the point that they will seal their fate. This is off tangent but the early Methodist church taught moderation in things like eating, rest, and play. It was a good practice too. Moderation did not apply to drinking, smoking or other such habits. `
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No, but thinking it possible may be the mark of the fearful.
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The believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them. Agreed. But from ‘that’ perspective, is it OK for believers to be significantly overweight and significantly unhealthy and significantly out of shape due to their poor eating habits and their sedentary lifestyle and their overall neglect of their general health...? But at the same time denigrating these Covid shots because “believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them”...? Gluttony and morbid obesity are the only sins that many preachers not only allow, but are quite fond of. 😉 ...and all the big mommas said "AMEN!" Those are also forgivable. Taking the mark won't be. This is true. I'm my own worse enemy and caused myself more problems than I can blame on others. If it were not for God's grace and forgiveness, I'd be doomed. When I see the morbidly obese, I only need to look in a mirror of my childhood. The mark will somehow be a rejection of Christ to the point that they will seal their fate. This is off tangent but the early Methodist church taught moderation in things like eating, rest, and play. It was a good practice too. Moderation did not apply to drinking, smoking or other such habits. ` I just learned something new. So that's where that popular saying came from. That reminds me that I better go out to the garden. 👍
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Those are also forgivable. Taking the mark won't be. So Matthew says "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come." Mark and Luke pretty much say the same. Revelation says that only those who “worship the beast and its image and receive its mark” will be condemned...it says “ and”...not ‘or.’ If a believer, out of an initial fear, goes along with the crowd by taking the mark, you think he or she is beyond forgiveness...?
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The believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them. Agreed. But from ‘that’ perspective, is it OK for believers to be significantly overweight and significantly unhealthy and significantly out of shape due to their poor eating habits and their sedentary lifestyle and their overall neglect of their general health...? But at the same time denigrating these Covid shots because “believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them”...? Gluttony and morbid obesity are the only sins that many preachers not only allow, but are quite fond of. 😉 ...and all the big mommas said "AMEN!" Hence the saying, “ heavier than a dead Baptist preacher.”
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The believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them. Agreed. But from ‘that’ perspective, is it OK for believers to be significantly overweight and significantly unhealthy and significantly out of shape due to their poor eating habits and their sedentary lifestyle and their overall neglect of their general health...? But at the same time denigrating these Covid shots because “believers bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should not be encouraged to do that which may harm them”...? Gluttony and morbid obesity are the only sins that many preachers not only allow, but are quite fond of. 😉 ...and all the big mommas said "AMEN!" Those are also forgivable. Taking the mark won't be. In that scenario, what choice would you have, you can't purchase, no medical care, can't earn a living or access funds, lose your home because you can't pay the bills...what are your options?
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Those are also forgivable. Taking the mark won't be. So Matthew says "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come." Mark and Luke pretty much say the same. Revelation says that only those who “worship the beast and its image and receive its mark” will be condemned...it says “ and”...not ‘or.’ If a believer, out of an initial fear, goes along with the crowd by taking the mark, you think he or she is beyond forgiveness...? In my understanding the person you describe has sealed their fate.
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I'd imagine that a God of Love would have more compassion and understanding.
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With the leftist in control pushing everyone to get the vaccine, and the very real possibility of a Vaccine Passport becoming a reality, I believe these prophecies are being proven true even as we speak. I think you nearly answered your own question. Remember that the Pfizer and Moderna "jabs" are not vaccines, they change your mRNA thus they are genetic engineering. The J&J shot, which uses dead virus to trigger the immune response, is, correctly speaking, the only true vaccine available in the US. Astrazeneca, which is not approved here, is also a vaccine. To the crux of the question though, no, my best guess is it is not the "vaccine" which is the mark of the beast but rather it is the vaccine registration card that is the mark. Having seen picture of people having auto-immune reactions to injected "stuff", I think those may well be the sores, etc mentioned in Revelation 16:2 when the first vial or bowl is opened. I'm not "deep end religious", I believe Christ died for my sins and I accept His sacrifice, but I'm generally not very highly observant. Understand that context then when I say what I see happening I find very concerning. Nobody knows the day but the Father, but things are lining up considerably .. if this isn't it it's a real real close miss. Tom The J&J is NOT a conventional vaccine which injects a dead virus. Neither is the AstraZeneca vaccine. Both vaccines are viral vector vaccines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccineThey use a weakened virus(not covid, see link) to carry DNA into your cell. This makes them DNA vaccines. The DNA is carried INTO YOUR nucleus and this then causes mRNA to be produced and in turn the antigen protein which stimulates the immune response. Moderna and Pfizer carry mRNA into your cells which skips the need for the DNA. Personally, I'm more concerned with J&J and AstraZeneca because they do indeed introduce DNA. Though the DNA does NOT end up in your chromosomes. My understanding is it floats freely in the nucleus in the form of a plasmid.
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I'd imagine that a God of Love would have more compassion and understanding. Salvation is free. If that's not good enough for you than you face the consequences.
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I'd imagine that a God of Love would have more compassion and understanding. You've proven you know very little about these types of subjects.
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Never forget good men, that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for our sins. Never forget that there are no good men.
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I'd imagine that a God of Love would have more compassion and understanding. Salvation is free. If that's not good enough for you than you face the consequences. My remark was related to the belief that taking the Mark condemns you to eternal damnation, given the conditions that you can't provide for yourself or your family without it, it leaves most without an option but accept the terms if they wish to provide for themselves and their families. And for that they burn in hell?
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I'd imagine that a God of Love would have more compassion and understanding. Salvation is free. If that's not good enough for you than you face the consequences. My remark was related to the belief that taking the Mark condemns you to eternal damnation, given the conditions that you can't provide for yourself or your family without it, it leaves most without an option but accept the terms if they wish to provide for themselves and their families. And for that they burn in hell? I'd imagine that a God of Love would have more compassion and understanding. You've proven you know very little about these types of subjects. So you claim. Your remark shows that you didn't understand what was said or the moral issues that are involved. If you have an actual argument, please present it.
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