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You know this of course, but for anyone reading this without going back to my quote of Cpt. Ahab....
The way the box says me, then quotes him without my response, will be confusing. At midnight I guess my last statement was probably confusing to most too. 😉
The reason I mentioned that is that I don't agree that Christ lives in every person. I'm not sure what he was saying with the other statement. It sounded like he doesn't believe in the unique unity and distinct persons of God...Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
I might be wrong, so was asking him.
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Anyhow, it looks like your quote is from John 15, if I'm not mistaken. When I read it, I try to determine if Jesus is speaking to His disciples about how to walk with Him and bear fruit as believers or if He is giving a salvation teaching. The gospel of John is focused a lot on salvation, more than any other, so I think I see where you are coming from.

When He says,
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
I ask myself, who casts unbelievers into hell?
Are there any other passages that talk of men gathering others and throwing them into hell?

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"If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

This is a conditional prayer promise to those who abide in the words. It reminds me of the end of Matthew 6 and many other promises to believers.
He goes onto say,
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Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples."

Not all believers are disciples.
Discipleship occurs with christian growth like bearing fruit and putting His words first.
Since unbelievers don't bear good fruit. God isn't telling them to bear more. I think this part of the chapter is written to believers.

As to salvation, I think you are on the right track by going to John. We just finished studying the book.
Do you happen to know how many times the word believe, believes (ed), (th) are used in that one gospel alone?

Well said and spot on, HC

Sorry and I know, HC but i went back through page aftef page and couldnt fi d his original post an just did the best i could.
Sorry but i figured any who matter who read the earlier Ahab stuff would know it was from him and not you.

You picked an awesome passage from John 15.
I just don't enjoy the pruning. Lol

On another note, here's the answer to the trivia question. You can tell whether or not it's a coincidence.

How many times is the word "believe" used in the Bible?

Answer 100 !!!

This tells me that it means something special to God.
John 20:31

"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

Believing the Son of God, the Christ, gave His life on our behalf is the way we get that special gift of everlasting life and a lot more spiritual promises.
The Holy Spirit enters His new temple as does the Lord Jesus. The reason that I never asked Him to is because I put my faith in Him . At that point, the rest happened without my knowledge. I learned about it later from the Word as I read it.

Have a blessed week.

Interesting. Please expound on how your homey GG and your refusing at every prompt to offer your thoughts and insight. A humble servant gets a pass on opining on truth vs. lies and keeping silent when a trusted friend is falsely accused? C'mon, man. Are you a vessel and warrior of God on a part-time basis? As they say in the 'hood, 'you be half-steppin', yo. Weak.'

I think you're not understanding my intent on my post that started this conversation. The Bible teaches that to whom much is given much is required. Luke 12:48. I'm not singling out anyone except the guilty leadership of embracing the queer lifestyle and encouraging them to continue in it. It would be no different for a church leader to tell thieves that stealing is fine and you can keep stealing. Then also for that church to allow a known thief to be a pastor.

Do you think it's fine for these leaders to embrace the gay lifestyle and even partake in it?

Good morning, a joyful noise.

Here's a link https://www.gaychurch.org/find_a_church/ where homosexuals can go to find a church that will perform a wedding ceremony for them. This is just a random city not far from where I live. But it's alarming which churches are doing this. Here's a list.
First Baptist Church
Missouri United Methodist Church
Columbia United Church of Christ
Broadway Christian Church
Fairview Community of Christ
Rockbridge Christian Church
Now if some of you believe these churches are teaching people how to live according to the Bible you are just as wrong as they are. You are also what's wrong with our nation and the decline of a desire to live a moral lifestyle. I would also say that you have no problem with the current occupant in the White House. Liberals have several traits that are the glue that hold them together and the stance on same sex marriage and such is one of them.

So before you reply to my post I would ask a very simple question of either yes or no. Do you embrace churches that perform same sex marriage or allow clergy to be homosexuals? If that's the case then you and I have nothing else to discuss.

They are churches......churches of sodomy, that have nothing to do with God.

As has been already talked about, there is a longer list of abominations that God hates more than that which is common to man. I do believe there are certainly degrees of sin as there are accountability.
We know that one sin is enough to bring deserved condemnation to those claiming self-righteous acceptance with God for salvation. It comes down to God's grace and forgiveness through His Son.

That said, it is an interesting, no it is an outrage that the LGBTQFAG crowd embraces the rainbow as a symbol of solidarity and unity of perversions.
God gave it as a promise of His kindness to undeserving mankind. He decided to never destroy the earth with a flood. They twisted it's meaning.
The same groups/assemblies of people don't care what the overall Bible says from beginning to end.
For those who think that the OT is no longer an issue here, they need to read the NT references to Sodom and the warnings of Jesus Himself.

I do not think you will see the Lord as long as you can feel pain.

I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.…

So, no. He is not in all nor are all in Him.

Thats why many need to pray and ask Him to come into them, their heart, that they may believe and be reborn.

What you're describing isn't the ancient christian faith.
It's not christian at all, it's actually anti-christ because Christ isn't God, doesn't reveal God, and isn't God over everything.

He's not even "in the hearts" of unbelievers.

Also, it's "salvation" (whatever that means within your framework) by works- faith is the work that saves you.

I know you're just parodying what you've heard your whole life but you might want to take Jesus seriously.

Think about it this way- do you really think what you've heard your whole life is working out for you? Do you really think that the 90% of pastors preaching that b******* and whacking it to internet porn 9 to 5 while collecting tithes are really "saved"?

Do you really think the boring dry excruciatingly painful to even sit through a half-hour sermon at the local Baptist Church version of Christianity is what people ran to their deaths for in the first century?

Do you really think that having more churches in the south than convenience stores is about more than money and manipulation?

Do you really think God is losing and that's the reason culture is done with church?

I'll give you the answer- this " Christianity " that people are done with is the horseshit that you're describing where you ask a distant Jesus into your life so that his judgemental disapproving father (a different god, Jesus doesn't reveal him) won't send you to eternal conscious torment forever.

If think that's working for you, have at it.

If you're done with the pop pagan "ask Jesus into your heart" bullshit try this-

https://vimeo.com/34601629

Around 16 minutes it gets good.
Pagan Greek philosophy of separation is the beast and the Antichrist and about 99.9% of evangelical Christianity.

It's all based upon you being separated from God.
Jesus is the one in whom all things exist and consist and have their being.

Despite sin having blinded our eyes to seeing that truth, Jesus has come to show us what his father is like. He's not like an eternally conscious tormenting judge whose disappointed with everything you say. God is love.

Since God is in everyone you can see hints of this worldview in native American cultures as well as Buddhism Hinduism etc.

I'm not saying there's many roads to God I'm saying there's one road and his name is Jesus and you can't hide from him.

There's Buddhists that know Jesus native Americans that know Jesus, hell I've even met a few Christians that know Jesus.

Thanks to the great benefits that are provided through psilocybin LSD DMT and other psychedelics, lots of people are waking up to this truth that there is a thread uniting all things. His name is Jesus.

Wrong answer.It depends on the Bible.

The King James, which of course is actually THE Bible, has 19 times in the OT and 124 times in the NT. The New Revised Standard has 160: 24 in the OT and136 in the NT.

Where did you come up with that?

And, Jesus is in those who ask and receive His grace, not in everybody somehow by default.

We have been given a choice, so we have to choose. To not choose is a choice.

DF

Certainly, we ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Belief and the blood of Christ removes all sin, prior to belief, at the time of belief, and into the future regardless of belief. God keeps His Word, even if we don't.

For those who chose to parse these truths and make their own judgements of those they question the salvation of, God has told us this:

Matthew 7:1-5
King James Version
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Here's the TLDR-

If you say sin separates you from God because the father is too holy and just to look upon sin (like 99.9% of evangelicals), you're saying Jesus and his father are different- you're an Arian, not a Christian in the Nicene sense.

The eastern Orthodox get this right, but the bell and smell silliness along with demeaning women makes them irrelevant.

Paul young nailed it in the shack- the best representation of trinitarian theology in probably 1500 years.

It was late, and I made a mistake in wording.
I went back and read,
"How many times is the word "believe" used in the Bible?

Answer 100 !!!"

I meant to ask, How many times is the word "believe" used in the gospel of John?"

Answer 100 !!!.

The answer is correct for that book that we just got through studying. Yes, that's in the KJ Bible. That is the accurate Bible God gave the English speaking people for 400 years.

Why is 100 so exciting?
It is a miracle of the Gospel that is given to the world to teach about the person of Jesus and the salvation that He purchased with His own life.
100 Is the correct number and is a number that EMPHASIZES THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE RESPONSE to the gospel.

John 20:31
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

How about that?

Okay so if believing is the one good work that saves you, how much do you have to believe?

Also, how might one calibrate his belief-o-meter in order to accurately asses whether he will fry for all eternity?

This is a futile game.

But you already know that, which is why most folks are scared they're gonna fry despite "believing"- hence "but at least I ain't queer". Gotta dive into comparison to prove to yourself you're truly "in".

The "faithfulness of Christ" (Gal 2:16 properly translated) is what saves (heals) us.

Now, once you start trusting in that (belief), you'll probably start living in the present and cleaning your act up.

Their is a chasm between the Old Testament and the New Testament that only Jesus can bridge. That means those things that were sinful in the OT very well may not be in the NT after Jesus walked on earth. We see this in that the "clean" food for all intents and purposes, disappeared and all food became acceptable to God. It took 3 times, which is usually a given for Peter, to have the Lord lower the sheet that contained previously "unclean" food from the OT and 3 times told him to kill and eat. And Peter still wondered what that meant.

Revelation 3:20
King James Version
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

This tells me the Lord is NOT in everyone. It is the Holy Spirit's responsibility to speak to our hearts so a place for the Lord may be prepared. Once people understand what and who that knocking is from, their path to salvation be established.

CaptArab you have significantly destroyed any believability you might hope to have in this site suggesting that psychedelic drugs are a path to salvation in Jesus Christ. Certainly He can forgive those who have so partaken, but few could be convinced that is an acceptable path for the purpose of salvation.

Camper, I find it hard to believe that all the rest of the Gospels and books of the NT would only amount to 24 times "believe" is used in all of them combined, apart from the Book of John. Even if your claim is true, how can it be a miracle and just what does that "miracle" show us, imply, or mean to you?

yes.