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Anyone know what steel is used and tempered hardness?
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Was that the early knives made from the Ford model t leaf springs?
Maybe another maker I’m thinking of.
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I thought they was Studebaker springs?..... Whatever, they are clunky, ugly dam things......
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I don't think mine is ugly or clunky. Has worked quite well on elk and black bear. Also works efficiently around camp, too. Sharp as a razor and stays that way. Might be made from Studebaker springs? Don't know. I bought it from Ruana in 1984. I think I'll keep it. L.W.
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I thought they was Studebaker springs?..... Whatever, they are clunky, ugly dam things...... Yes. Studs baker sounds correct.
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I think mine is early 90s skinner. On the heavy side, “some” might call it clunky, but not ugly to my eye. A gift from my wife when we was dating or just married.
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I have the 21A bought 25 years ago. Still going strong and sharp. Gutted lots of deer and antelope and a few elk with it. I don't consider it heavy or too light. I don't want something I have to worry about breaking if used rough. It has at times and hasn't been a problem.
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"Used rough"... What does that mean?
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If you guys think that a too-thick blade with a big wad of aluminum up front, and on the ass-end of the handle, with a tiny little sliver of bone/horn in between those clunky blocks of silver chit isn't ugly........ Well then, enjoy the holy hell outta them, uhh, 'beauties'.....
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"Used rough"... What does that mean? breaking down split-rim tires.... who needs a prybar when you have one of these?
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If you guys think that a too-thick blade with a big wad of aluminum up front, and on the ass-end of the handle, with a tiny little sliver of bone/horn in between those clunky blocks of silver chit isn't ugly........ Well then, enjoy the holy hell outta them, uhh, 'beauties'..... Agreed Don. Appreciate the craftsmanship but can’t like em
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More power to anyone who likes them but I'm with Don on these
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"Used rough"... What does that mean? Driving one into a tree, as step to get into a hunting stand ? LOL 🦫
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almost like a wannabe Randall, but not nearly as classy
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Anyone know what steel is used and tempered hardness?
Sorry I dont know either. I had one and the steel seemed soft to me. Easy to dull, easy to sharpen. To my tastes it was crude, because like Mannlicher..I'm kinda used to Randalls.
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If you guys think that a too-thick blade with a big wad of aluminum up front, and on the ass-end of the handle, with a tiny little sliver of bone/horn in between those clunky blocks of silver chit isn't ugly........ Well then, enjoy the holy hell outta them, uhh, 'beauties'..... First sheath I ever made, for a friend' Ruana Later on I purchased this one as it had been signed by Vic Hangis ( Son of Rudy Ruana) Biggest negative to me was the length of the grip between the bolster and the butt cap. In due time it followed someone else home. ya! GWB
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Anyone know what steel is used and tempered hardness?
Rudy began making knives as a blacksmith/farrier in the Army in the early 1920's. Ruana Knife Works dates from 1938. The R.H. Ruana Stamp dates from 1943 to 1984 when Rudy retired. He passed in 1986. Vic Hangas was Rudy's son-in law. He worked with Rudy from 1964 until Rudy's death, then himself passed in 2019. Vic's sons - Rudy's grandsons, have owned/run the business since. The idea that Ruana's are copies of, or wanabee Randall's doesn't pan out since Rudy was making knives a decade before Bo, and both companies are officially dated from 1938. In my world of remote Idaho as I grew up in the 1960's-1970's there were Ruana guys and Randall Guys at the high end, and pretty much Western factory knives under that. My own take is that it is a well known fact that Bo was a Bill Scagel apprentice, though that is never printed of Rudy. I think Scagel is the father of ALL of these guys.... take that for whatever my musings are worth! Anyway: Ruana used the Ford vanadium spring steel from 1938 to 1941, and Studebaker SManganese steel from then to 1962. In 1962 they switched to 1095 for hunters/skinners and 5160 for the Bowies, and that remains through today. As to hardness...Ruana's have differential hardness through zone tempering that yields the spine a couple points lower than the edge. The 1095 hunters/skinners are nominally 56-58 HRC. The Bowies are nominally 57-59+
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Anyone know what steel is used and tempered hardness?
Rudy began making knives as a blacksmith/farrier in the Army in the early 1920's. Ruana Knife Works dates from 1938. The R.H. Ruana Stamp dates from 1943 to 1984 when Rudy retired. He passed in 1986. Vic Hangas was Rudy's son-in law. He worked with Rudy from 1964 until Rudy's death, then himself passed in 2019. Vic's sons - Rudy's grandsons, have owned/run the business since. The idea that Ruana's are copies of, or wanabee Randall's doesn't pan out since Rudy was making knives a decade before Bo, and both companies are officially dated from 1938. In my world of remote Idaho as I grew up in the 1960's-1970's there were Ruana guys and Randall Guys at the high end, and pretty much Western factory knives under that. My own take is that it is a well known fact that Bo was a Bill Scagel apprentice, though that is never printed of Rudy. I think Scagel is the father of ALL of these guys.... take that for whatever my musings are worth! Anyway: Ruana used the Ford vanadium spring steel from 1938 to 1941, and Studebaker SManganese steel from then to 1962. In 1962 they switched to 1095 for hunters/skinners and 5160 for the Bowies, and that remains through today. As to hardness...Ruana's have differential hardness through zone tempering that yields the spine a couple points lower than the edge. The 1095 hunters/skinners are nominally 56-58 HRC. The Bowies are nominally 57-59+ Great info and write up, thank ya sir. 👍
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Anyone know what steel is used and tempered hardness?
Rudy began making knives as a blacksmith/farrier in the Army in the early 1920's. Ruana Knife Works dates from 1938. The R.H. Ruana Stamp dates from 1943 to 1984 when Rudy retired. He passed in 1986. Vic Hangas was Rudy's son-in law. He worked with Rudy from 1964 until Rudy's death, then himself passed in 2019. Vic's sons - Rudy's grandsons, have owned/run the business since. The idea that Ruana's are copies of, or wanabee Randall's doesn't pan out since Rudy was making knives a decade before Bo, and both companies are officially dated from 1938. In my world of remote Idaho as I grew up in the 1960's-1970's there were Ruana guys and Randall Guys at the high end, and pretty much Western factory knives under that. My own take is that it is a well known fact that Bo was a Bill Scagel apprentice, though that is never printed of Rudy. I think Scagel is the father of ALL of these guys.... take that for whatever my musings are worth! Anyway: Ruana used the Ford vanadium spring steel from 1938 to 1941, and Studebaker SManganese steel from then to 1962. In 1962 they switched to 1095 for hunters/skinners and 5160 for the Bowies, and that remains through today. As to hardness...Ruana's have differential hardness through zone tempering that yields the spine a couple points lower than the edge. The 1095 hunters/skinners are nominally 56-58 HRC. The Bowies are nominally 57-59+ Thanks, journeyman! Do you recall from where that info came? My example of one via the skinner pictured above. Just been pulling knives out of different storage locations and wondered about this Ruana. M
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Yeah, when I got really into knives I started buying examples from the "hall of fame" type makers, roughly in order of their rise, to personally experience the changes as the American knife industry matured. In my Ruana phase I bought several knives and the book "Hear the Hammer", the history of the company and Rudy's autobiography, if you will. I don't know if it is still in print, that was in the 90's.
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