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Dustyone: I don't know you from Adam's off ox, but don't you think you are jumping to conclusions that do not match up with the evidence. First thing in an investigation is to rule out the most obvious. A terrorist attack on a family of 3 and their dog in remote rural California is not how terrorists generally strike. Heat stroke is possible but unlikely considering what we know. If I were the medical examiner or the detectives I would look at toxicology and the possibility of murder/suicide first. You have first thing run off down a trail with no supporting evidence. I've investigated lots of accidents, deaths, game violations, felonies, etc. and 90% + of the time the simplest explanation was the answer.

Can you accept that the cause of death is determined and is being hidden?

Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.

Phil

Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation

Why do people keep assuming they all succumbed at the same time?

I think heat is BY FAR the most likely scenario. And for context- . I consider myself pretty used to extreme temps, and could see some situations where I may end up hiking in very hot weather. I’m not just automatically scared of the temp.

That being said, there are really only two people to think about here- the adults. The baby and dog were going to stay with them no matter what. If one parent started struggling, it’s unlikely that the other would have immediately left them. They also would have probably had to been in dire conditions before they realized it was a true emergency.

So, one starts feeling ill. They slow down together. Now they’re out in the heat even longer. They take a break. They aren’t improving. Maybe by the time the other decides to go get help- they are struggling themselves. We have no clue how long they struggled- for all we know they could have been out overnight.

Alternatively- the baby fell ill first. I can’t even imagine the panic for the parents. They realize their baby is not okay, and maybe they start trying to rush back. But it’s 100+, and the route back to the car is a brutal uphill at the end of a 9 mile hike. So now one of the parents is struggling. See above situation.

A family is not going to split up at the first sign of an issue- especially when there’s a baby involved. And with heat exhaustion, they would not realize how much trouble they were in until it was maybe too late. Add in confusion from the heat, and it all makes a lot of sense.

It’s easy to become so accustomed to heat that you forget how dangerous it can be.

Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation

Is this Elkslayer reincarnated?

A billion cubic yards of air mysteriously trapped underwater????????

Duh, air bubbles to the top when released underwater. Even air as dense as CO2. No matter what the temperature gradients might be.

Unless that air is held under water by the invisible hand of ..........Buddha ISIS?????????????

Is this Elkslayer reincarnated?

A billion cubic yards of air mysteriously trapped underwater????????

Duh, air bubbles to the top when released underwater. Even air as dense as CO2. No matter what the temperature gradients might be.

Unless that air is held under water by the invisible hand of ..........Buddha?????????????

Dude the CO2 killed an entire village at Lake Nyos. The fact is that you are clueless.




Lake Nyos CO2 disaster


On 21 August 1986, a limnic eruption at Lake Nyos in northwestern Cameroon killed 1,746 people and 3,500 livestock.[1]

The eruption triggered the sudden release of about 100,000–300,000 tons (1.6 million tons, according to some sources) of carbon dioxide (CO
2).[2][3] The gas cloud initially rose at nearly 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph; 28 m/s) and then, being heavier than air, descended onto nearby villages, displacing all the air and suffocating people and livestock within 25 kilometres (16 mi) of the lake.[4][5]

A degassing system has since been installed at the lake, with the aim of reducing the concentration of CO
2 in the waters and therefore the risk of further eruptions.

LOL what you have a problem with is your own complete geological ignorance

So argue with the geologist that determined that these people were killed by a release of CO2 from the lake, I am sure that they could use a laugh

WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT TRIGGERED THIS TRAGIC EVENT?
After investigating the site of the disaster, scientists were divided into two camps on the mechanism of rapid CO2 expulsion: (1) CO2 could have burst through the lake as the result of a sudden gas eruption, or (2) CO2 could have accumulated slowly in the lower part of the lake, only to be released abruptly by the overturning of the bottom waters by some unknown mechanism.

It had been known for years that the water in Lake Nyos was extremely enriched in dissolved CO2. The lake overlies a volcanic source, which appears to release CO2 and other gases. However, most of this gas does not escape into the atmosphere, but rather dissolves into the bottom waters of the lake. At a depth of over 200 meter, the sheer weight of the upper lake levels exerts considerable pressures on the bottom waters. This confining pressure allows CO2 to dissolve into the bottom waters without escaping to the surface, in much the same way that the cap on a carbonated beverage prevents CO2 from bubbling out of its container. At a depth of 200 meters, water can hold 15 times its own volume in CO2. It has been estimated that every liter of water in the lower part of the lake may have contained between 1 to 5 liters of CO2!