John Gerrish and Ellen Chung’s home in Mariposa, Calif., was quiet on Aug. 16 when their 1-year-old daughter’s nanny arrived. The family — including their dog, Oski — was nowhere to be found. Their truck was missing, too. As the hours wore on without a word from Gerrish or Chung, who had set out for a hike the day before, a sense of panic began to set in.
The couple’s house sits near the head of Hites Cove Trail, and hours after the family was reported missing at about 11 p.m., the trailhead is where police started looking. A sheriff’s deputy found the couple’s truck parked near the trail’s entrance around 2 a.m., the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
Nine hours later and 1.5 miles from the truck, in an area known as Devil’s Gulch, a search-and-rescue team found Gerrish, Chung, their daughter, Miju, and the dog.
They were all dead.
Gerrish was in a seated position with the baby and dog beside him, according to the Chronicle. Chung was a little farther up the hill.
Authorities still don’t know how they died. Autopsies yielded no conclusive results about the cause, CNN reported. A toxicology report, which could take several weeks, is pending.
A necropsy is being performed on Oski, the dog, but the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office said no other animals were found dead in the immediate area.
“It’s just so tragic and mysterious,” Steven Jeffe, a close family friend, told The Washington Post on Sunday evening.
Gerrish and Chung moved to Mariposa from San Francisco in March 2020, Jeffe said. The pandemic made the slow life look increasingly attractive for the young professionals. Gerrish worked at Snapchat, and Chung was working toward a master’s degree in family therapy, he said.
When they lived in San Francisco, the couple enjoyed DJing and going to clubs, Jeffe said. But since they moved to Mariposa — about a three-hour drive east of the city and a 40-mile drive to Yosemite — they became “avid outdoor people.”
When police found their bodies, there were no signs of trauma, the Fresno Bee reported. There was no suicide note or indication that the deaths were intentional, according to CNN. Although temperatures reached as high as 109 degrees the day the family hiked, dehydration was deemed unlikely because there was still water in the family’s hydration pack, the Chronicle reported.
Snakebites have not been ruled out, although that cause is unlikely because there was no physical evidence of wounds, the sheriff’s office told CNN.
The lack of definitive answers has led investigators to imagine other, more unusual causes. Carbon monoxide poisoning from a mine or toxic algae in the nearby Merced River are among the leading theories.
“At this point, we can’t rule out anything,” Mariposa County sheriff’s deputy Kristie Mitchell said, according to the Fresno Bee.
About a month before the family was found dead, the U.S. Forest Service warned that “a high concentration of algae bloom” had been found in the Merced River near Hites Cove, where Gerrish and Chung were hiking. The Forest Service warned visitors not to swim or let their pets “enjoy” the water.
But reported human deaths from freshwater algal blooms are rare, the Chronicle reported. David Caron, a biological sciences professor at the University of Southern California, told the newspaper that although freshwater bacteria are a threat to people and animals, it would take high concentrations to kill humans rapidly.
“It’s conceivable that it is the cause,” Caron said. “But a lot needs to be done forensically to tie it to toxins.”
Poisoning from mines is also a possibility. When the family was found Tuesday, first responders treated the scene as a hazmat site because carbon monoxide may have leaked out from nearby mines. But the hazmat declaration was lifted Wednesday, and the cause is looking less likely, Mariposa County Sheriff Jeremy Briese told the Fresno Bee. The closest mine Briese told the paper he knew of was three miles from where the family was found.
“We have not found any old mine shafts near the area,” he added. “There are some mine shafts, but we can’t confirm if that’s the cause yet.”
Did they have a tracking dog? Anyone who might be able to see two adult shoe prints, a couple of kids, and a dog leaving the truck area and heading up the trail?
If you like mysteries like this check out this guys work. Dave Paulides. He has books, a youtube channel and he has been on radio many times. Fun to listen too.
John Gerrish and Ellen Chung’s home in Mariposa, Calif., was quiet on Aug. 16 when their 1-year-old daughter’s nanny arrived. The family — including their dog, Oski — was nowhere to be found. Their truck was missing, too. As the hours wore on without a word from Gerrish or Chung, who had set out for a hike the day before, a sense of panic began to set in.
The couple’s house sits near the head of Hites Cove Trail, and hours after the family was reported missing at about 11 p.m., the trailhead is where police started looking. A sheriff’s deputy found the couple’s truck parked near the trail’s entrance around 2 a.m., the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
Nine hours later and 1.5 miles from the truck, in an area known as Devil’s Gulch, a search-and-rescue team found Gerrish, Chung, their daughter, Miju, and the dog.
They were all dead.
Gerrish was in a seated position with the baby and dog beside him, according to the Chronicle. Chung was a little farther up the hill.
Authorities still don’t know how they died. Autopsies yielded no conclusive results about the cause, CNN reported. A toxicology report, which could take several weeks, is pending.
A necropsy is being performed on Oski, the dog, but the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office said no other animals were found dead in the immediate area.
“It’s just so tragic and mysterious,” Steven Jeffe, a close family friend, told The Washington Post on Sunday evening.
Gerrish and Chung moved to Mariposa from San Francisco in March 2020, Jeffe said. The pandemic made the slow life look increasingly attractive for the young professionals. Gerrish worked at Snapchat, and Chung was working toward a master’s degree in family therapy, he said.
When they lived in San Francisco, the couple enjoyed DJing and going to clubs, Jeffe said. But since they moved to Mariposa — about a three-hour drive east of the city and a 40-mile drive to Yosemite — they became “avid outdoor people.”
When police found their bodies, there were no signs of trauma, the Fresno Bee reported. There was no suicide note or indication that the deaths were intentional, according to CNN. Although temperatures reached as high as 109 degrees the day the family hiked, dehydration was deemed unlikely because there was still water in the family’s hydration pack, the Chronicle reported.
Snakebites have not been ruled out, although that cause is unlikely because there was no physical evidence of wounds, the sheriff’s office told CNN.
The lack of definitive answers has led investigators to imagine other, more unusual causes. Carbon monoxide poisoning from a mine or toxic algae in the nearby Merced River are among the leading theories.
“At this point, we can’t rule out anything,” Mariposa County sheriff’s deputy Kristie Mitchell said, according to the Fresno Bee.
About a month before the family was found dead, the U.S. Forest Service warned that “a high concentration of algae bloom” had been found in the Merced River near Hites Cove, where Gerrish and Chung were hiking. The Forest Service warned visitors not to swim or let their pets “enjoy” the water.
But reported human deaths from freshwater algal blooms are rare, the Chronicle reported. David Caron, a biological sciences professor at the University of Southern California, told the newspaper that although freshwater bacteria are a threat to people and animals, it would take high concentrations to kill humans rapidly.
“It’s conceivable that it is the cause,” Caron said. “But a lot needs to be done forensically to tie it to toxins.”
Poisoning from mines is also a possibility. When the family was found Tuesday, first responders treated the scene as a hazmat site because carbon monoxide may have leaked out from nearby mines. But the hazmat declaration was lifted Wednesday, and the cause is looking less likely, Mariposa County Sheriff Jeremy Briese told the Fresno Bee. The closest mine Briese told the paper he knew of was three miles from where the family was found.
“We have not found any old mine shafts near the area,” he added. “There are some mine shafts, but we can’t confirm if that’s the cause yet.”
John Gerrish and Ellen Chung’s home in Mariposa, Calif., was quiet on Aug. 16 when their 1-year-old daughter’s nanny arrived. The family — including their dog, Oski — was nowhere to be found. Their truck was missing, too. As the hours wore on without a word from Gerrish or Chung, who had set out for a hike the day before, a sense of panic began to set in.
The couple’s house sits near the head of Hites Cove Trail, and hours after the family was reported missing at about 11 p.m., the trailhead is where police started looking. A sheriff’s deputy found the couple’s truck parked near the trail’s entrance around 2 a.m., the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
Nine hours later and 1.5 miles from the truck, in an area known as Devil’s Gulch, a search-and-rescue team found Gerrish, Chung, their daughter, Miju, and the dog.
They were all dead.
Gerrish was in a seated position with the baby and dog beside him, according to the Chronicle. Chung was a little farther up the hill.
Authorities still don’t know how they died. Autopsies yielded no conclusive results about the cause, CNN reported. A toxicology report, which could take several weeks, is pending.
A necropsy is being performed on Oski, the dog, but the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office said no other animals were found dead in the immediate area.
“It’s just so tragic and mysterious,” Steven Jeffe, a close family friend, told The Washington Post on Sunday evening.
Gerrish and Chung moved to Mariposa from San Francisco in March 2020, Jeffe said. The pandemic made the slow life look increasingly attractive for the young professionals. Gerrish worked at Snapchat, and Chung was working toward a master’s degree in family therapy, he said.
When they lived in San Francisco, the couple enjoyed DJing and going to clubs, Jeffe said. But since they moved to Mariposa — about a three-hour drive east of the city and a 40-mile drive to Yosemite — they became “avid outdoor people.”
When police found their bodies, there were no signs of trauma, the Fresno Bee reported. There was no suicide note or indication that the deaths were intentional, according to CNN. Although temperatures reached as high as 109 degrees the day the family hiked, dehydration was deemed unlikely because there was still water in the family’s hydration pack, the Chronicle reported.
Snakebites have not been ruled out, although that cause is unlikely because there was no physical evidence of wounds, the sheriff’s office told CNN.
The lack of definitive answers has led investigators to imagine other, more unusual causes. Carbon monoxide poisoning from a mine or toxic algae in the nearby Merced River are among the leading theories.
“At this point, we can’t rule out anything,” Mariposa County sheriff’s deputy Kristie Mitchell said, according to the Fresno Bee.
About a month before the family was found dead, the U.S. Forest Service warned that “a high concentration of algae bloom” had been found in the Merced River near Hites Cove, where Gerrish and Chung were hiking. The Forest Service warned visitors not to swim or let their pets “enjoy” the water.
But reported human deaths from freshwater algal blooms are rare, the Chronicle reported. David Caron, a biological sciences professor at the University of Southern California, told the newspaper that although freshwater bacteria are a threat to people and animals, it would take high concentrations to kill humans rapidly.
“It’s conceivable that it is the cause,” Caron said. “But a lot needs to be done forensically to tie it to toxins.”
Poisoning from mines is also a possibility. When the family was found Tuesday, first responders treated the scene as a hazmat site because carbon monoxide may have leaked out from nearby mines. But the hazmat declaration was lifted Wednesday, and the cause is looking less likely, Mariposa County Sheriff Jeremy Briese told the Fresno Bee. The closest mine Briese told the paper he knew of was three miles from where the family was found.
“We have not found any old mine shafts near the area,” he added. “There are some mine shafts, but we can’t confirm if that’s the cause yet.”
Hiking is, apparently, a hobby fraught with danger.
Fascinating mystery. I have heard that David Paulides interviewed on Coast to Coast. He has been on there several times. There are some unbelievable stories about people who have disappeared in national parks and other wilderness areas. Like a little 2 year old boy who wandered off from a family picnic, I think in Yosimite, and his body was found a few days later 30 miles away. He would have had to climb several mountains which were impossible for him to climb. Somebody kidnapped him, and hiked him 30 miles in their backpack, and then murdered him? Not likely. There are hundreds of stories of disappearances in the wilderness, about half of the people, they found dead, and the rest were never found.
I will be watching to see if they come up with a cause of death for this family. Carbon monoxide? I doubt it. Algae in the creek? Give me a break.
Had they been eating hard boiled eggs and cabbage?
Something happened. The event itself appears unlikely, yet it happened. Toxic algae may be a possibility....who knows?
An air inversion could trap gas near the surface in an area, weather conditions would need to be just right with little to no wind for that to happen. Heavier than air gas could travel quite a ways and settle in a low lying area, once the wind picked up there would be very little evidence that it ever happened.
Toxic algae seems unlikely unless all four of them had been drinking directly out of the river.
An air inversion could trap gas near the surface in an area, weather conditions would need to be just right with little to no wind for that to happen. Heavier than air gas could travel quite a ways and settle in a low lying area, once the wind picked up there would be very little evidence that it ever happened.
Yep. Common in certain areas of Africa. A large bubble of gas will work itself loose form the bottom, and release from the surface, then hover over a low lying area, killing anyone there. Only problem with your theory, though, is that there would be all sorts of dead wild animals all around them, too.
Death from an Algae bloom would be so unlikely as to be zero % possibility statistically. Same thing with the wild theory about carbon monoxide from an old mine. The original story said it was 40 miles from Yosemite too, IIRC. ...the last statement due to the story that related this to Yosemite.
We should know more when the labs are finished. That should be in a couple of months, unfortunately.
Death from an Algae bloom would be so unlikely as to be zero % possibility statistically. Same thing with the wild theory about carbon monoxide from an old mine. The original story said it was 40 miles from Yosemite too, IIRC. ...the last statement due to the story that related this to Yosemite.
We should know more when the labs are finished. That should be in a couple of months, unfortunately.
Probably gonna find they all drank some Jonestown koolaide and said goodbye Covid world.
Death from an Algae bloom would be so unlikely as to be zero % possibility statistically. Same thing with the wild theory about carbon monoxide from an old mine. The original story said it was 40 miles from Yosemite too, IIRC. ...the last statement due to the story that related this to Yosemite.
We should know more when the labs are finished. That should be in a couple of months, unfortunately.
Probably gonna find they all drank some Jonestown koolaide and said goodbye Covid world.
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It's a possibility and a much more likely one than the two theories aforementioned.
Honestly, with all the high strangeness of the disappearances and deaths in national parks and other rural areas, it wouldn't surprise me if the lab tests were inconclusive as to cod.
John Gerrish and Ellen Chung’s home in Mariposa, Calif., was quiet on Aug. 16 when their 1-year-old daughter’s nanny arrived. The family — including their dog, Oski — was nowhere to be found. Their truck was missing, too. As the hours wore on without a word from Gerrish or Chung, who had set out for a hike the day before, a sense of panic began to set in.
The couple’s house sits near the head of Hites Cove Trail, and hours after the family was reported missing at about 11 p.m., the trailhead is where police started looking. A sheriff’s deputy found the couple’s truck parked near the trail’s entrance around 2 a.m., the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
Nine hours later and 1.5 miles from the truck, in an area known as Devil’s Gulch, a search-and-rescue team found Gerrish, Chung, their daughter, Miju, and the dog.
They were all dead.
Gerrish was in a seated position with the baby and dog beside him, according to the Chronicle. Chung was a little farther up the hill.
Authorities still don’t know how they died. Autopsies yielded no conclusive results about the cause, CNN reported. A toxicology report, which could take several weeks, is pending.
A necropsy is being performed on Oski, the dog, but the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office said no other animals were found dead in the immediate area.
“It’s just so tragic and mysterious,” Steven Jeffe, a close family friend, told The Washington Post on Sunday evening.
Gerrish and Chung moved to Mariposa from San Francisco in March 2020, Jeffe said. The pandemic made the slow life look increasingly attractive for the young professionals. Gerrish worked at Snapchat, and Chung was working toward a master’s degree in family therapy, he said.
When they lived in San Francisco, the couple enjoyed DJing and going to clubs, Jeffe said. But since they moved to Mariposa — about a three-hour drive east of the city and a 40-mile drive to Yosemite — they became “avid outdoor people.”
When police found their bodies, there were no signs of trauma, the Fresno Bee reported. There was no suicide note or indication that the deaths were intentional, according to CNN. Although temperatures reached as high as 109 degrees the day the family hiked, dehydration was deemed unlikely because there was still water in the family’s hydration pack, the Chronicle reported.
Snakebites have not been ruled out, although that cause is unlikely because there was no physical evidence of wounds, the sheriff’s office told CNN.
The lack of definitive answers has led investigators to imagine other, more unusual causes. Carbon monoxide poisoning from a mine or toxic algae in the nearby Merced River are among the leading theories.
“At this point, we can’t rule out anything,” Mariposa County sheriff’s deputy Kristie Mitchell said, according to the Fresno Bee.
About a month before the family was found dead, the U.S. Forest Service warned that “a high concentration of algae bloom” had been found in the Merced River near Hites Cove, where Gerrish and Chung were hiking. The Forest Service warned visitors not to swim or let their pets “enjoy” the water.
But reported human deaths from freshwater algal blooms are rare, the Chronicle reported. David Caron, a biological sciences professor at the University of Southern California, told the newspaper that although freshwater bacteria are a threat to people and animals, it would take high concentrations to kill humans rapidly.
“It’s conceivable that it is the cause,” Caron said. “But a lot needs to be done forensically to tie it to toxins.”
Poisoning from mines is also a possibility. When the family was found Tuesday, first responders treated the scene as a hazmat site because carbon monoxide may have leaked out from nearby mines. But the hazmat declaration was lifted Wednesday, and the cause is looking less likely, Mariposa County Sheriff Jeremy Briese told the Fresno Bee. The closest mine Briese told the paper he knew of was three miles from where the family was found.
“We have not found any old mine shafts near the area,” he added. “There are some mine shafts, but we can’t confirm if that’s the cause yet.”
The deaths are still a mystery after the autopsy which eliminates the algae. That said they likely know and are not saying
How about the possibility of murder suicide or suicide pact using injections of succinycholine chloride. I've heard that a small amount of this would cause breathing cessation and death. And not detectable by autopsy that would probably miss a microscopic needle mark. A reprobate doctor once told me a doctor could kill you with a small needle and no one would be the wiser.
The gas explanation is very plausible. Its a subject almost never talked about in the mainstream. In fact literally the only source in mainstream I’ve ever read about was in one or two Louis L'Amour’s Western books.
Animals have a greater sense of this phenomenon and are usually not victims.
You listen to David Paulides enough and you’ll be packing extra ammo
How about the possibility of murder suicide or suicide pact using injections of succinycholine chloride. I've heard that a small amount of this would cause breathing cessation and death. And not detectable by autopsy that would probably miss a microscopic needle mark. A reprobate doctor once told me a doctor could kill you with a small needle and no one would be the wiser.
Was reading somewhere that they can test for it now.
I think it's an inside job. Either Dad was tired of living or Mom and Dad both. I'm always suspicious though. Who else had motive? No sign of struggle. Poison gas or algae not reasonable. Everyone just peacefully dead. Dad could have thrown the syringe far away.
I know a guy who died from a freak release of H2S at a natural spring. That stuff is immediately fatal when concentrations are over 500-1000 parts per million and concentrations of less than that can make you big time disoriented. It is said at lower concentrations you feel tired so you sit down and breath even more in. Couple that with it being heavier than air, it sinks so sitting down you breath in more concentrated amounts.
Who knows if that is what happened here, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
The gas explanation is very plausible. Its a subject almost never talked about in the mainstream. In fact literally the only source in mainstream I’ve ever read about was in one or two Louis L'Amour’s Western books.
Animals have a greater sense of this phenomenon and are usually not victims.
You listen to David Paulides enough and you’ll be packing extra ammo
One of the Sackett series had poison gas seeping out of the ground as one of the major plot points. 'Mustang Man' was the name of it.
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I think it's an inside job. Either Dad was tired of living or Mom and Dad both. I'm always suspicious though. Who else had motive? No sign of struggle. Poison gas or algae not reasonable. Everyone just peacefully dead. Dad could have thrown the syringe far away.
I'm leaning toward mom had post partum depression and that coupled with the move away from the big city was enough to push her over the edge.
I can get heat exhaustion for the family but the dog? also, I find it odd the wife was a good distance away from the husband and child. Was she trying to get away? was she just ahead of everyone on the hike?
I can get heat exhaustion for the family but the dog? also, I find it odd the wife was a good distance away from the husband and child. Was she trying to get away? was she just ahead of everyone on the hike?
They were murdered and the cause is obvious though they refuse to say. They probably all have Islamic symbols carved in their chests
Succinylcholine is widely used in operating rooms. It causes paralysis of every muscle in the body, except for the heart. A tiny amount of the drug will be effective. Once the shot is administered, the person collapses. They are conscious, they can see, but they can't move a muscle. Their heart continues to beat. And they suffocate. It takes a minute or two, and they are unconscious, a few more minutes they are dead.
It is difficult to test for but supposedly traces can be found by a good lab.
The problem is, if Mom hit everybody with a shot of this stuff, fine they would all drop where there were when they got the shot. But when Mom gave herself the shot, the syringe would be right next to her on the ground she would have been unable to throw it.
Succinylcholine is widely used in operating rooms. It causes paralysis of every muscle in the body, except for the heart. A tiny amount of the drug will be effective. Once the shot is administered, the person collapses. They are conscious, they can see, but they can't move a muscle. Their heart continues to beat. And they suffocate. It takes a minute or two, and they are unconscious, a few more minutes they are dead.
It is difficult to test for but supposedly traces can be found by a good lab.
The problem is, if Mom hit everybody with a shot of this stuff, fine they would all drop where there were when they got the shot. But when Mom gave herself the shot, the syringe would be right next to her on the ground she would have been unable to throw it.
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
I know a guy who died from a freak release of H2S at a natural spring. That stuff is immediately fatal when concentrations are over 500-1000 parts per million and concentrations of less than that can make you big time disoriented. It is said at lower concentrations you feel tired so you sit down and breath even more in. Couple that with it being heavier than air, it sinks so sitting down you breath in more concentrated amounts.
Who knows if that is what happened here, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Wouldn't there be dead wild animals all around that area, also?
It says wife was found further up the hill. Curious if that is in the direction back to their car or further/deeper down the trail.
Seems like if she left the rest to get help she wouldn't be headed deeper in the trail. So if she was further down trail makes me think it's more accidental than intentional.....as in they all got killed where they stood and were caught unaware.
They all looked pretty fit so she may have been walking ahead of the rest when they all got it.
Look at other family members who had a beef or stands to benefit from their deaths. Could have been a poisoning from earlier in day but admittedly hard to fathom as baby and dog would have to ingest too. Drinking water would be the most logical common link. Do they have a well, or city water? Check all that out for tampering.
Succinylcholine is widely used in operating rooms. It causes paralysis of every muscle in the body, except for the heart. A tiny amount of the drug will be effective. Once the shot is administered, the person collapses. They are conscious, they can see, but they can't move a muscle. Their heart continues to beat. And they suffocate. It takes a minute or two, and they are unconscious, a few more minutes they are dead.
It is difficult to test for but supposedly traces can be found by a good lab.
The problem is, if Mom hit everybody with a shot of this stuff, fine they would all drop where there were when they got the shot. But when Mom gave herself the shot, the syringe would be right next to her on the ground she would have been unable to throw it.
You know way more about that drug than I do. You don't think that whoever administers an injection would have a few seconds to toss the syringe into the bushes? As someone who has spent a good bit of time searching in grass for cartridge cases I know they can hide pretty well.
Succinylcholine is widely used in operating rooms. It causes paralysis of every muscle in the body, except for the heart. A tiny amount of the drug will be effective. Once the shot is administered, the person collapses. They are conscious, they can see, but they can't move a muscle. Their heart continues to beat. And they suffocate. It takes a minute or two, and they are unconscious, a few more minutes they are dead.
It is difficult to test for but supposedly traces can be found by a good lab.
The problem is, if Mom hit everybody with a shot of this stuff, fine they would all drop where there were when they got the shot. But when Mom gave herself the shot, the syringe would be right next to her on the ground she would have been unable to throw it.
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
I say this with the utmost of respect, Shut the fugk up.
I know a guy who died from a freak release of H2S at a natural spring. That stuff is immediately fatal when concentrations are over 500-1000 parts per million and concentrations of less than that can make you big time disoriented. It is said at lower concentrations you feel tired so you sit down and breath even more in. Couple that with it being heavier than air, it sinks so sitting down you breath in more concentrated amounts.
Who knows if that is what happened here, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
The concentrations for immediate death ( without someone giving CPR/medical assistance) are a bit higher than the 500 ppm. Though 500 will put some people down......it generally requires a bit more for immediate or near immediate unconsciousness! Extended time in 500 or so will certainly “put you down”! My first sense of being in a higher concentration other than the “rotten egg” smell which quickly goes away was getting a strong metallic taste from the fillings in my teeth! I worked in a sour gas (H2S) plant from ‘85 until my retirement. The H2S gas to our SRU ( Sulfur Recovery Unit......which transforms H2S to elemental sulfur) was 820,000 ppm. Capable of killing you ......820,000 times! 🤪
All that said, it is completely feasible that a sudden gas release could have been the COD. Stranger things have happened! memtb
I think it's an inside job. Either Dad was tired of living or Mom and Dad both. I'm always suspicious though. Who else had motive? No sign of struggle. Poison gas or algae not reasonable. Everyone just peacefully dead. Dad could have thrown the syringe far away.
Where is the best place to listen to this David Paulides dude?
I've listened to him for years. I wouldn't say it's the best place, but he's got a lot of videos on YouTube. I believe he still has a presence on FB and Twitter. He puts out a couple of vids per week, normally.
Succinylcholine is widely used in operating rooms. It causes paralysis of every muscle in the body, except for the heart. A tiny amount of the drug will be effective. Once the shot is administered, the person collapses. They are conscious, they can see, but they can't move a muscle. Their heart continues to beat. And they suffocate. It takes a minute or two, and they are unconscious, a few more minutes they are dead.
It is difficult to test for but supposedly traces can be found by a good lab.
The problem is, if Mom hit everybody with a shot of this stuff, fine they would all drop where there were when they got the shot. But when Mom gave herself the shot, the syringe would be right next to her on the ground she would have been unable to throw it.
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
I say this with the utmost of respect, Shut the fugk up.
America deserves the truth.
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
Succinylcholine is widely used in operating rooms. It causes paralysis of every muscle in the body, except for the heart. A tiny amount of the drug will be effective. Once the shot is administered, the person collapses. They are conscious, they can see, but they can't move a muscle. Their heart continues to beat. And they suffocate. It takes a minute or two, and they are unconscious, a few more minutes they are dead.
It is difficult to test for but supposedly traces can be found by a good lab.
The problem is, if Mom hit everybody with a shot of this stuff, fine they would all drop where there were when they got the shot. But when Mom gave herself the shot, the syringe would be right next to her on the ground she would have been unable to throw it.
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
I say this with the utmost of respect, Shut the fugk up.
America deserves the truth.
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
America deserves the truth. Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
We are by and large pretty smart people, but we are not mind readers. What is your motive.
America deserves the truth. Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
We are by and large pretty smart people, but we are not mind readers. What is your motive.
LOL The only strange thing about these deaths is that the government knows what killed these people and will not let the public know. Wasn't aliens or lightning, or they all drank smelly algae laden water, oh the dog might have, but not the people. The autopsi also revealed the cause of death as they always do, provided the info is not tampered with
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
I know a guy who died from a freak release of H2S at a natural spring. That stuff is immediately fatal when concentrations are over 500-1000 parts per million and concentrations of less than that can make you big time disoriented. It is said at lower concentrations you feel tired so you sit down and breath even more in. Couple that with it being heavier than air, it sinks so sitting down you breath in more concentrated amounts.
Who knows if that is what happened here, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Wouldn't there be dead wild animals all around that area, also?
If it was a sustained source, yes, I would guess so. I was referring to a small pocket of sour gas that somehow got released. Not unlike the freak accidents involving a boulder naturally coming loose from a hillside and tumbling. No earthquake. No avalanch. Just a big rock that starts tumbling due to the geology constantly shifting.
I believe a pocket of sour gas somehow was released from a gas field in Wyoming in the 90`s and it killed 10-12 antelope that were bunched up downwind but nothing more. Just one of those wrong place at the wrong time kind of deals...
A good bi of this thread seems like a pocket of gas.
Nope as gas does not accumulate on open trails on top of mountains that are not volcanic. However if gas was the culprit their would still be gas in the lungs and in lung tissue. The fact is that the authorities know what killed these people and are not being allowed to say. Thus terrorism is indicated
We deserve the truth, not lies or in this case no answer. If no one knows what killed these people all of Yosemite should be closed including rangers evacuated, if this has not happened then the cause of death is clear and they are not disclosing it to us
I know a guy who died from a freak release of H2S at a natural spring. That stuff is immediately fatal when concentrations are over 500-1000 parts per million and concentrations of less than that can make you big time disoriented. It is said at lower concentrations you feel tired so you sit down and breath even more in. Couple that with it being heavier than air, it sinks so sitting down you breath in more concentrated amounts.
Who knows if that is what happened here, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Wouldn't there be dead wild animals all around that area, also?
If it was a sustained source, yes, I would guess so. I was referring to a small pocket of sour gas that somehow got released. Not unlike the freak accidents involving a boulder naturally coming loose from a hillside and tumbling. No earthquake. No avalanch. Just a big rock that starts tumbling due to the geology constantly shifting.
I believe a pocket of sour gas somehow was released from a gas field in Wyoming in the 90`s and it killed 10-12 antelope that were bunched up downwind but nothing more. Just one of those wrong place at the wrong time kind of deals...
Who the hell knows...
If gas killed the people and dog there would still be gas in lung tissue. So it was not gas, besides gas can not accumulate on an open mountaintop
, Murder suicide , would be my first guess. Dog and baby also makes me think water as the vehicle to carry the poison. Sad story.
There is no water on the mountaintop where they were discovered, algae laden water is also thick and smelly and no human would ever drink it unless they were lost for days
, Murder suicide , would be my first guess. Dog and baby also makes me think water as the vehicle to carry the poison. Sad story.
There is no water on the mountaintop where they were discovered, algae laden water is also thick and smelly and no human would ever drink it unless they were lost for days
They had water in their possession which is why dehydration was ruled out. Murder Suicide via water they brought with them.
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Although temperatures reached as high as 109 degrees the day the family hiked, dehydration was deemed unlikely because there was still water in the family’s hydration pack, the Chronicle reported.
A good bi of this thread seems like a pocket of gas.
Nope as gas does not accumulate on open trails on top of mountains that are not volcanic. However if gas was the culprit their would still be gas in the lungs and in lung tissue. The fact is that the authorities know what killed these people and are not being allowed to say. Thus terrorism is indicated
We deserve the truth, not lies or in this case no answer. If no one knows what killed these people all of Yosemite should be closed including rangers evacuated, if this has not happened then the cause of death is clear and they are not disclosing it to us
LOL The only strange thing about these deaths is that the government knows what killed these people and will not let the public know. Wasn't aliens or lightning, or they all drank smelly algae laden water, oh the dog might have, but not the people. The autopsi also revealed the cause of death as they always do, provided the info is not tampered with
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
If it was a sustained source, yes, I would guess so. I was referring to a small pocket of sour gas that somehow got released. Not unlike the freak accidents involving a boulder naturally coming loose from a hillside and tumbling. No earthquake. No avalanch. Just a big rock that starts tumbling due to the geology constantly shifting.
I believe a pocket of sour gas somehow was released from a gas field in Wyoming in the 90`s and it killed 10-12 antelope that were bunched up downwind but nothing more. Just one of those wrong place at the wrong time kind of deals...
Who the hell knows...
What about dead squirrels that would drop from the trees.
If it was a sustained source, yes, I would guess so. I was referring to a small pocket of sour gas that somehow got released. Not unlike the freak accidents involving a boulder naturally coming loose from a hillside and tumbling. No earthquake. No avalanch. Just a big rock that starts tumbling due to the geology constantly shifting.
I believe a pocket of sour gas somehow was released from a gas field in Wyoming in the 90`s and it killed 10-12 antelope that were bunched up downwind but nothing more. Just one of those wrong place at the wrong time kind of deals...
Who the hell knows...
What about dead squirrels that would drop from the trees.
I think we've got some dead squirrels that dropped into the Campfire. lol
I think that he's saying the water was carried in.
No matter water poisoning would be easily detectable. What the authorities have said is that the water in the area is laden with poisonous algae, that no human would drink because it is stagnant and smelly and obviously not fit for consumption. They are hiding the truth
LOL The only strange thing about these deaths is that the government knows what killed these people and will not let the public know. Wasn't aliens or lightning, or they all drank smelly algae laden water, oh the dog might have, but not the people. The autopsi also revealed the cause of death as they always do, provided the info is not tampered with
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
My motive is the truth, which sets people free.
Numbskull.
The autopsy revealed the source of death unless it was already known, there is a reason that they are not disclosing the source which is likely terror
If it was a sustained source, yes, I would guess so. I was referring to a small pocket of sour gas that somehow got released. Not unlike the freak accidents involving a boulder naturally coming loose from a hillside and tumbling. No earthquake. No avalanch. Just a big rock that starts tumbling due to the geology constantly shifting.
I believe a pocket of sour gas somehow was released from a gas field in Wyoming in the 90`s and it killed 10-12 antelope that were bunched up downwind but nothing more. Just one of those wrong place at the wrong time kind of deals...
Who the hell knows...
What about dead squirrels that would drop from the trees.
I think we've got some dead squirrels that dropped into the Campfire. lol
If it was a sustained source, yes, I would guess so. I was referring to a small pocket of sour gas that somehow got released. Not unlike the freak accidents involving a boulder naturally coming loose from a hillside and tumbling. No earthquake. No avalanch. Just a big rock that starts tumbling due to the geology constantly shifting.
I believe a pocket of sour gas somehow was released from a gas field in Wyoming in the 90`s and it killed 10-12 antelope that were bunched up downwind but nothing more. Just one of those wrong place at the wrong time kind of deals...
Who the hell knows...
What about dead squirrels that would drop from the trees.
I think we've got some dead squirrels that dropped into the Campfire. lol
Nuts draw squirrels.
The autopsy revealed the source of death unless it was already known, there is a reason that they are not disclosing the source which is likely terror, not squirrels
If it was a sustained source, yes, I would guess so. I was referring to a small pocket of sour gas that somehow got released. Not unlike the freak accidents involving a boulder naturally coming loose from a hillside and tumbling. No earthquake. No avalanch. Just a big rock that starts tumbling due to the geology constantly shifting.
I believe a pocket of sour gas somehow was released from a gas field in Wyoming in the 90`s and it killed 10-12 antelope that were bunched up downwind but nothing more. Just one of those wrong place at the wrong time kind of deals...
Who the hell knows...
What about dead squirrels that would drop from the trees.
I think we've got some dead squirrels that dropped into the Campfire. lol
Nuts draw squirrels.
Now we know why Old Coot does not draw any squirrels..LMAO
If it was a sustained source, yes, I would guess so. I was referring to a small pocket of sour gas that somehow got released. Not unlike the freak accidents involving a boulder naturally coming loose from a hillside and tumbling. No earthquake. No avalanch. Just a big rock that starts tumbling due to the geology constantly shifting.
I believe a pocket of sour gas somehow was released from a gas field in Wyoming in the 90`s and it killed 10-12 antelope that were bunched up downwind but nothing more. Just one of those wrong place at the wrong time kind of deals...
Who the hell knows...
What about dead squirrels that would drop from the trees.
Succinylcholine hits very fast. However, it is possible that, let's say it was a murder suicide and Mom was doing the injecting, that once she gave a shot to Dad, and baby and the dog, she gave herself a shot, it is possible that she would have had a few seconds to toss that syringe a good ways off. Also, she could have used a very small needle, and maybe given the shots behind the knee, it would make it hard to find the little needle mark.
Ten or twelve years ago it was impossible to find any remnants of succinylcholine in a person. In about 5 minutes it all dissipated. Supposedly, ten years ago a lab in Sweden developed a test for remnants of it. It is still hard to trace. Sometimes, I wonder if these labs find exactly what the DA has asked them to look for, if you know what I mean.
Y'all do realize that succinylcholine isn't something you can buy over the counter, right?
And neither of the couple worked in anything close to the medical field.
I seriously can't believe how far down the rabbit hole this has gone.
Meh - heroin isn't available over the counter either - yet people get it. I'd not let something that's a script/hospital only product immediately discount the possibility of it being involved.
I worked in a hospital and it would have been easy to get your hands on a little vial of it. It is also called "Anectine" and when I had to go to work in the OR there was a little case of it on the table right next to each Operating Room bed.
LOL The only strange thing about these deaths is that the government knows what killed these people and will not let the public know. Wasn't aliens or lightning, or they all drank smelly algae laden water, oh the dog might have, but not the people. The autopsi also revealed the cause of death as they always do, provided the info is not tampered with
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
My motive is the truth, which sets people free.
Numbskull.
The autopsy revealed the source of death unless it was already known, there is a reason that they are not disclosing the source which is likely terror
Do you troll other forums, or just this one? You aren't very good at it honestly.
Y'all do realize that succinylcholine isn't something you can buy over the counter, right?
And neither of the couple worked in anything close to the medical field.
I seriously can't believe how far down the rabbit hole this has gone.
Meh - heroin isn't available over the counter either - yet people get it. I'd not let something that's a script/hospital only product immediately discount the possibility of it being involved.
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
I worked in a hospital and it would have been easy to get your hands on a little vial of it. It is also called "Anectine" and when I had to go to work in the OR there was a little case of it on the table right next to each Operating Room bed.
Agreed, if the drug had value as a street drug (and you'd be amazed at what people will dream up to inject).
It doesn't. Way to many others available that work mo better for getting high.
LOL The only strange thing about these deaths is that the government knows what killed these people and will not let the public know. Wasn't aliens or lightning, or they all drank smelly algae laden water, oh the dog might have, but not the people. The autopsi also revealed the cause of death as they always do, provided the info is not tampered with
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
My motive is the truth, which sets people free.
Numbskull.
The autopsy revealed the source of death unless it was already known, there is a reason that they are not disclosing the source which is likely terror
Do you troll other forums, or just this one? You aren't very good at it honestly.
LOL so you are saying that these people were killed by swamp gas, or ball lightning. Sorry kid these people were murdered and they already know the cause and no one is saying for some reason, likely because it might cause a panic
A good bi of this thread seems like a pocket of gas.
- - - The fact is that the authorities know what killed these people and are not being allowed to say (?And you know this factually?) .
- - - We deserve the truth, not lies or in this case no answer.
Who is "we" - do you have a mouse in 'yer pocket? What did you do, and what status do you have - to be deserving of info about the cause of some stranger's death?
LOL The only strange thing about these deaths is that the government knows what killed these people and will not let the public know. Wasn't aliens or lightning, or they all drank smelly algae laden water, oh the dog might have, but not the people. The autopsi also revealed the cause of death as they always do, provided the info is not tampered with
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
My motive is the truth, which sets people free.
Numbskull.
The autopsy revealed the source of death unless it was already known, there is a reason that they are not disclosing the source which is likely terror
Do you troll other forums, or just this one? You aren't very good at it honestly.
I love a good troll. I won't suffer a schidty one. That's why DustyMuffin went straight to my ignore file. Sweet baby haysoos, Boring, trite, unimaginative and unintelligent.
LOL The only strange thing about these deaths is that the government knows what killed these people and will not let the public know. Wasn't aliens or lightning, or they all drank smelly algae laden water, oh the dog might have, but not the people. The autopsi also revealed the cause of death as they always do, provided the info is not tampered with
Stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense. The cause of death was some form of terrorism that the government will not let be known because this proves that the terrorist are here which would cause a terror reaction in the public which is the terrorist intent
My motive is the truth, which sets people free.
Numbskull.
The autopsy revealed the source of death unless it was already known, there is a reason that they are not disclosing the source which is likely terror
Do you troll other forums, or just this one? You aren't very good at it honestly.
I love a good troll. I won't suffer a schidty one. That's why DustyMuffin went straight to my ignore file. Sweet baby haysoos, Boring, trite, unimaginative and unintelligent.
LOL you ask for a photo of my bike and I gave it too you. You never did post a photo of your tricycle
A good bi of this thread seems like a pocket of gas.
- - - The fact is that the authorities know what killed these people and are not being allowed to say (?And you know this factually?) .
- - - We deserve the truth, not lies or in this case no answer.
Who is "we" - do you have a mouse in 'yer pocket? What did you do, and what status do you have - to be deserving of info about the cause of some stranger's death?
We is every American that is being lied too. These people were murdered not killed by swamp gas as so many here seem to believe
I’m not buying a murder-suicide mainly because of the dog . Why kill your dog too?
If it was murder suicide or suicide pact between the parents you can't rationalize their behavior. Maybe they killed the dog and baby because they didn't want them left without care in the cruel world they were leaving behind. Who knows what the killer was thinking. I'm not buying the gas theory. Wouldn't that stuff have killed any unfortunate insects or animals in the vicinity? Won't toxicology readily pick that up. I'm sticking with my theory of a syringe and a very small needle.
" Maybe they killed the dog and baby because they didn't want them left without care in the cruel world they were leaving behind." Hastings I think you are right. Grim but it happens. Twenty five years ago a woman in SC strapped her two little boys into the child seats and rolled the car into the pond. About 8 years ago a gal in Texas took her 5 kids, age 7 to age 1 year, and drowned them one-by-one in the bathtub.
I’m not buying a murder-suicide mainly because of the dog . Why kill your dog too?
If it was murder suicide or suicide pact between the parents you can't rationalize their behavior. Maybe they killed the dog and baby because they didn't want them left without care in the cruel world they were leaving behind. Who knows what the killer was thinking. I'm not buying the gas theory. Wouldn't that stuff have killed any unfortunate insects or animals in the vicinity? Won't toxicology readily pick that up. I'm sticking with my theory of a syringe and a very small needle.
Grow up, there is no method of suicide that can not be detected. So this was no murder suicide
Its been 11 day's and they should have some clues by now. Here's a map of the trail: Link , its a single path trail alongside the hill with little room to pass without stepping off the trail, and lots of Poison Oak. Trail leads directly to previous mining activity, and the area was within an earlier fire. Trail was closed early in 2019 for a good part of the year and maintenance being done. If poisoning was a cause, I'd guess maybe some old mine tailing's were disturbed containing high amounts of Cyanide. Its a really hot trail this time a year and requires a good supply of water. Being alongside the river with access in a few places, they might have drank some contaminated water.
A good bi of this thread seems like a pocket of gas.
- - - The fact is that the authorities know what killed these people and are not being allowed to say (?And you know this factually?) . - - - We deserve the truth, not lies or in this case no answer.
Who is "we" - do you have a mouse in 'yer pocket? What did you do, and what status do you have - to be deserving of info about the cause of some stranger's death?
We is every American that is being lied too. These people were murdered not killed by swamp gas as so many here seem to believe
Your presumption and sense of entitlement apparently is boundless - kindly pardon the laughter.
A good bi of this thread seems like a pocket of gas.
- - - The fact is that the authorities know what killed these people and are not being allowed to say (?And you know this factually?) . - - - We deserve the truth, not lies or in this case no answer.
Who is "we" - do you have a mouse in 'yer pocket? What did you do, and what status do you have - to be deserving of info about the cause of some stranger's death?
We is every American that is being lied too. These people were murdered not killed by swamp gas as so many here seem to believe
Your presumption and sense of entitlement apparently is boundless - kindly pardon the laughter.
I don't remember too much about it, but believe it was back in the 30's that a thermal layer filled an entire valley with Carbon Monoxide and killed many. This hiking trail isn't all that far from the fires currently going on up and around Lake Tahoe. This hiking trail has few visitors this time of year, maybe something similar could have happened. Not familiar with Carbon Monoxide poisoning, but looks as if that would be easily detectible right off.
I don't remember too much about it, but believe it was back in the 30's that a thermal layer filled an entire valley with Carbon Monoxide and killed many. This hiking trail isn't all that far from the fires currently going on up and around Lake Tahoe. This hiking trail has few visitors this time of year, maybe something similar could have happened. Not familiar with Carbon Monoxide poisoning, but looks as if that would be easily detectible right off.
Phil
CO2 is heavier than air and sinks into the low point or valley. This trail was on or near the mountaintop, furthermore CO2 poisoning shows on toxicology tests so this was no type of gassing
1986 August 21 Gas cloud kills Cameroon villagers An eruption of lethal gas from Lake Nyos in Cameroon kills nearly 2,000 people and wipes out four villages on August 21, 1986. Carbon dioxide, though ubiquitous in Earth’s atmosphere, can be deadly in large quantities, as was evident in this disaster.
Lake Nyos and Lake Monoun are both crater lakes about a mile square located in remote mountain areas of northwest Cameroon, dominated by rock cliffs and lush vegetation. In August 1984, 37 people near Lake Monoun died suddenly, but the incident was largely covered up by the government. Since there is no electricity or telephone service in the area, it was not difficult to keep the incident secret and the 5,000 people who lived in villages near Lake Nyos were unaware of the potential danger of their own lake. At about 9:30 p.m. on August 21, a rumbling noise emanated from the lake for 15 to 20 seconds, followed by a cloud of carbon-dioxide and a blast of smelly air. The cloud quickly moved north toward the village of Lower Nyos. Some people tried to run away from the cloud; they were later found dead on the paths leading away from town. A woman and child were the only two survivors of Lower Nyos.
The deadly cloud of gas then moved on to Cha Subum and Fang, where another 500 people lost their lives. The carbon dioxide killed every type of animal—including small insects—in its path, but left buildings and plants unaffected. Reportedly, even survivors experienced coughing fits and vomited blood.
Outsiders learned of the disaster when they approached the villages and found animal and human bodies on the ground. The best estimate is that 1,700 people and thousands of cattle died. A subsequent investigation of the lake showed the water level to be four feet lower than what it had previously been. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation.
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
I don't remember too much about it, but believe it was back in the 30's that a thermal layer filled an entire valley with Carbon Monoxide and killed many. This hiking trail isn't all that far from the fires currently going on up and around Lake Tahoe. This hiking trail has few visitors this time of year, maybe something similar could have happened. Not familiar with Carbon Monoxide poisoning, but looks as if that would be easily detectible right off.
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
Phil
Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation
Why do people keep assuming they all succumbed at the same time?
I think heat is BY FAR the most likely scenario. And for context- . I consider myself pretty used to extreme temps, and could see some situations where I may end up hiking in very hot weather. I’m not just automatically scared of the temp.
That being said, there are really only two people to think about here- the adults. The baby and dog were going to stay with them no matter what. If one parent started struggling, it’s unlikely that the other would have immediately left them. They also would have probably had to been in dire conditions before they realized it was a true emergency.
So, one starts feeling ill. They slow down together. Now they’re out in the heat even longer. They take a break. They aren’t improving. Maybe by the time the other decides to go get help- they are struggling themselves. We have no clue how long they struggled- for all we know they could have been out overnight.
Alternatively- the baby fell ill first. I can’t even imagine the panic for the parents. They realize their baby is not okay, and maybe they start trying to rush back. But it’s 100+, and the route back to the car is a brutal uphill at the end of a 9 mile hike. So now one of the parents is struggling. See above situation.
A family is not going to split up at the first sign of an issue- especially when there’s a baby involved. And with heat exhaustion, they would not realize how much trouble they were in until it was maybe too late. Add in confusion from the heat, and it all makes a lot of sense.
It’s easy to become so accustomed to heat that you forget how dangerous it can be.
Why do people keep assuming they all succumbed at the same time?
I think heat is BY FAR the most likely scenario. And for context- . I consider myself pretty used to extreme temps, and could see some situations where I may end up hiking in very hot weather. I’m not just automatically scared of the temp.
That being said, there are really only two people to think about here- the adults. The baby and dog were going to stay with them no matter what. If one parent started struggling, it’s unlikely that the other would have immediately left them. They also would have probably had to been in dire conditions before they realized it was a true emergency.
So, one starts feeling ill. They slow down together. Now they’re out in the heat even longer. They take a break. They aren’t improving. Maybe by the time the other decides to go get help- they are struggling themselves. We have no clue how long they struggled- for all we know they could have been out overnight.
Alternatively- the baby fell ill first. I can’t even imagine the panic for the parents. They realize their baby is not okay, and maybe they start trying to rush back. But it’s 100+, and the route back to the car is a brutal uphill at the end of a 9 mile hike. So now one of the parents is struggling. See above situation.
A family is not going to split up at the first sign of an issue- especially when there’s a baby involved. And with heat exhaustion, they would not realize how much trouble they were in until it was maybe too late. Add in confusion from the heat, and it all makes a lot of sense.
It’s easy to become so accustomed to heat that you forget how dangerous it can be.
There was no excessive heat, and heat itself does not kill it accelerates dehydration that was not found, these people were murdered and they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
As someone pointed out, what kills you in heat stroke is the accelerated dehydration. They had water still left in their supplies. And dogs don't generally succumb to that so easily. Certainly not at about the same rate as a human.
A good bi of this thread seems like a pocket of gas.
- - - The fact is that the authorities know what killed these people and are not being allowed to say (?And you know this factually?) . - - - We deserve the truth, not lies or in this case no answer.
Who is "we" - do you have a mouse in 'yer pocket? What did you do, and what status do you have - to be deserving of info about the cause of some stranger's death?
We is every American that is being lied too. These people were murdered not killed by swamp gas as so many here seem to believe
Your presumption and sense of entitlement apparently is boundless - kindly pardon the laughter.
You cook any dogs alive today champ
That does not make a bit of sense - but, clearly, you have cooked your own goose.
I don't remember too much about it, but believe it was back in the 30's that a thermal layer filled an entire valley with Carbon Monoxide and killed many. Phil
CO2 is heavier than air and sinks into the low point or valley. This trail was on or near the mountaintop, furthermore CO2 poisoning shows on toxicology tests so this was no type of gassing
Originally Posted by Dustyone
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
A good bi of this thread seems like a pocket of gas.
- - - The fact is that the authorities know what killed these people and are not being allowed to say (?And you know this factually?) . - - - We deserve the truth, not lies or in this case no answer.
Who is "we" - do you have a mouse in 'yer pocket? What did you do, and what status do you have - to be deserving of info about the cause of some stranger's death?
We is every American that is being lied too. These people were murdered not killed by swamp gas as so many here seem to believe
Your presumption and sense of entitlement apparently is boundless - kindly pardon the laughter.
You cook any dogs alive today champ
That does not make a bit of sense - but, clearly, you have cooked your own goose.
I don't remember too much about it, but believe it was back in the 30's that a thermal layer filled an entire valley with Carbon Monoxide and killed many. Phil
CO2 is heavier than air and sinks into the low point or valley. This trail was on or near the mountaintop, furthermore CO2 poisoning shows on toxicology tests so this was no type of gassing
Originally Posted by Dustyone
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air.
How about butane ? It's a lighter gas.
All gasses that would be fatal will leave residue in lung tissue
There was no excessive heat, and heat itself does not kill it accelerates dehydration that was not found, these people were murdered and they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
Dustyone: Tell us what happened please. Tell us who the terrorists are, their motive in choosing these hikers, and most importantly the method used. Standing by.
There was no excessive heat, and heat itself does not kill it accelerates dehydration that was not found, these people were murdered and they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
Dustyone: Tell us what happened please. Tell us who the terrorists are, their motive in choosing these hikers, and most importantly the method used. Standing by.
The purpose of a terrorist is to cause terror. This is what the government is trying to prevent by covering up the cause of death, which was murder by some obvious means. The fact is that absolutely none of the causes of death proposed here can not easily be detected by autopsy and that no one posting gas theories knows that gas remains in lung tissue after death and can be detected.
The only thing strange about these deaths is that the government is hiding the cause
they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
Makes sense. No way a government would ever want to strike fear in its constituents and incite them to panic and stay inside their homes instead of going out and about.
It’s easy to become so accustomed to heat that you forget how dangerous it can be.
It kills someone every year around here. Heat to dehydration to delirium to dead.
This has never killed an entire family and dog in 9 hours since these people were last seen. These people were murdered and the cause is being hidden. They aren't even saying how far from their vehicle that they were or which way they were traveling
they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
Makes sense. No way a government would ever want to strike fear in its constituents and incite them to panic and stay inside their homes instead of going out and about.
Actually the government lied to prevent panic by saying that no mask were needed. If the government had said wear a mask because a highly communicable disease is present people would have fled cities leaving their homes to all be looted. So the government lied, in fact most everything reported in the media is a lie
in fact most everything reported in the media is a lie.
Jews can’t help themselves, they are going to Jew.
But the government was actually telling the truth when they said that public masking doesn’t help, because it isn’t practical to have the public wear masks that are actually effective.
None of this has anything to do with a government being reluctant to cause panic though. They have no such concern.
There was no excessive heat, and heat itself does not kill it accelerates dehydration that was not found, these people were murdered and they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
Dustyone: Tell us what happened please. Tell us who the terrorists are, their motive in choosing these hikers, and most importantly the method used. Standing by.
The purpose of a terrorist is to cause terror. This is what the government is trying to prevent by covering up the cause of death, which was murder by some obvious means. The fact is that absolutely none of the causes of death proposed here can not easily be detected by autopsy and that no one posting gas theories knows that gas remains in lung tissue after death and can be detected. The only thing strange about these deaths is that the government is hiding the cause
There is a serious hole in the terrorist theory. Terrorists act in such a way that it is very apparently a terrorist attack. Otherwise it won't terrorize. The government covering up an accidental ET alien aircraft crash makes sense but terrorists wouldn't let their actions be covered up. What do you theorize was the cause of death?
in fact most everything reported in the media is a lie.
Jews can’t help themselves, they are going to Jew.
But the government was actually telling the truth when they said that public masking doesn’t help, because it isn’t practical to have the public wear masks that are actually effective.
None of this has anything to do with a government being reluctant to cause panic though. They have no such concern.
Again the panic that this might have caused might have been similar to any number of zombie movies only it would have been real. The American economic system would be ruined and the chinks would party
There was no excessive heat, and heat itself does not kill it accelerates dehydration that was not found, these people were murdered and they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
Dustyone: Tell us what happened please. Tell us who the terrorists are, their motive in choosing these hikers, and most importantly the method used. Standing by.
The purpose of a terrorist is to cause terror. This is what the government is trying to prevent by covering up the cause of death, which was murder by some obvious means. The fact is that absolutely none of the causes of death proposed here can not easily be detected by autopsy and that no one posting gas theories knows that gas remains in lung tissue after death and can be detected. The only thing strange about these deaths is that the government is hiding the cause
There is a serious hole in the terrorist theory. Terrorists act in such a way that it is very apparently a terrorist attack. Otherwise it won't terrorize. The government covering up an accidental ET alien aircraft crash makes sense but terrorists wouldn't let their actions be covered up. What do you theorize was the cause of death?
The terrorist did act that way making their selves known, this is exactly what is being hidden. Have you seen the bodies? has anyone? 3 people and 1 dog with no cause of death, LOL wake up
Why do people keep assuming they all succumbed at the same time?
I think heat is BY FAR the most likely scenario. And for context- . I consider myself pretty used to extreme temps, and could see some situations where I may end up hiking in very hot weather. I’m not just automatically scared of the temp.
That being said, there are really only two people to think about here- the adults. The baby and dog were going to stay with them no matter what. If one parent started struggling, it’s unlikely that the other would have immediately left them. They also would have probably had to been in dire conditions before they realized it was a true emergency.
So, one starts feeling ill. They slow down together. Now they’re out in the heat even longer. They take a break. They aren’t improving. Maybe by the time the other decides to go get help- they are struggling themselves. We have no clue how long they struggled- for all we know they could have been out overnight.
Alternatively- the baby fell ill first. I can’t even imagine the panic for the parents. They realize their baby is not okay, and maybe they start trying to rush back. But it’s 100+, and the route back to the car is a brutal uphill at the end of a 9 mile hike. So now one of the parents is struggling. See above situation.
A family is not going to split up at the first sign of an issue- especially when there’s a baby involved. And with heat exhaustion, they would not realize how much trouble they were in until it was maybe too late. Add in confusion from the heat, and it all makes a lot of sense.
It’s easy to become so accustomed to heat that you forget how dangerous it can be.
There was no excessive heat, and heat itself does not kill it accelerates dehydration that was not found, these people were murdered and they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
Why do people keep assuming they all succumbed at the same time?
I think heat is BY FAR the most likely scenario. And for context- . I consider myself pretty used to extreme temps, and could see some situations where I may end up hiking in very hot weather. I’m not just automatically scared of the temp.
That being said, there are really only two people to think about here- the adults. The baby and dog were going to stay with them no matter what. If one parent started struggling, it’s unlikely that the other would have immediately left them. They also would have probably had to been in dire conditions before they realized it was a true emergency.
So, one starts feeling ill. They slow down together. Now they’re out in the heat even longer. They take a break. They aren’t improving. Maybe by the time the other decides to go get help- they are struggling themselves. We have no clue how long they struggled- for all we know they could have been out overnight.
Alternatively- the baby fell ill first. I can’t even imagine the panic for the parents. They realize their baby is not okay, and maybe they start trying to rush back. But it’s 100+, and the route back to the car is a brutal uphill at the end of a 9 mile hike. So now one of the parents is struggling. See above situation.
A family is not going to split up at the first sign of an issue- especially when there’s a baby involved. And with heat exhaustion, they would not realize how much trouble they were in until it was maybe too late. Add in confusion from the heat, and it all makes a lot of sense.
It’s easy to become so accustomed to heat that you forget how dangerous it can be.
There was no excessive heat, and heat itself does not kill it accelerates dehydration that was not found, these people were murdered and they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
You are an idiot. STFU.
There was no excessive heat, and heat itself does not kill it accelerates dehydration that was not found, these people were murdered and they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
I don't remember too much about it, but believe it was back in the 30's that a thermal layer filled an entire valley with Carbon Monoxide and killed many. Phil
CO2 is heavier than air and sinks into the low point or valley. This trail was on or near the mountaintop, furthermore CO2 poisoning shows on toxicology tests so this was no type of gassing
Originally Posted by Dustyone
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
Dustyone: I don't know you from Adam's off ox, but don't you think you are jumping to conclusions that do not match up with the evidence. First thing in an investigation is to rule out the most obvious. A terrorist attack on a family of 3 and their dog in remote rural California is not how terrorists generally strike. Heat stroke is possible but unlikely considering what we know. If I were the medical examiner or the detectives I would look at toxicology and the possibility of murder/suicide first. You have first thing run off down a trail with no supporting evidence. I've investigated lots of accidents, deaths, game violations, felonies, etc. and 90% + of the time the simplest explanation was the answer.
Dustyone: I don't know you from Adam's off ox, but don't you think you are jumping to conclusions that do not match up with the evidence. First thing in an investigation is to rule out the most obvious. A terrorist attack on a family of 3 and their dog in remote rural California is not how terrorists generally strike. Heat stroke is possible but unlikely considering what we know. If I were the medical examiner or the detectives I would look at toxicology and the possibility of murder/suicide first. You have first thing run off down a trail with no supporting evidence. I've investigated lots of accidents, deaths, game violations, felonies, etc. and 90% + of the time the simplest explanation was the answer.
Again the only odd thing here is that the authorities are not letting the cause of these deaths be known because they are covering up something. But yea they could have been killed by swamp gas on top of a mountain, or ball lighting or perhaps something far more sinister. Have you seen the bodies?
You investigated absolutely zero human deaths of which the autopsy revealed no cause of death, so stop pretending Gomer
Dustyone: I don't know you from Adam's off ox, but don't you think you are jumping to conclusions that do not match up with the evidence. First thing in an investigation is to rule out the most obvious. A terrorist attack on a family of 3 and their dog in remote rural California is not how terrorists generally strike. Heat stroke is possible but unlikely considering what we know. If I were the medical examiner or the detectives I would look at toxicology and the possibility of murder/suicide first. You have first thing run off down a trail with no supporting evidence. I've investigated lots of accidents, deaths, game violations, felonies, etc. and 90% + of the time the simplest explanation was the answer.
Again the only odd thing here is that the authorities are not letting the cause of these deaths be known because they are covering up something. But yea they could have been killed by swamp gas on top of a mountain, or ball lighting or perhaps something far more sinister. Have you seen the bodies?
You investigated absolutely zero human deaths of which the autopsy revealed no cause of death, so stop pretending Gomer
I certainly do know of 2 autopsies done on babies that died at our local hospital that came to no conclusion on cause of cardiac arrest. Both kids were hooked up to an IV and died quickly. Toxicology revealed nothing. The 2 incidents were very close in time, like maybe 1 month or less apart. It happened over 20 years ago and a lawsuit was filed but went nowhere because a cause of death could not be determined.
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
Phil
Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation
Is this Elkslayer reincarnated?
A billion cubic yards of air mysteriously trapped underwater????????
Duh, air bubbles to the top when released underwater. Even air as dense as CO2. No matter what the temperature gradients might be.
Unless that air is held under water by the invisible hand of ..........Buddha?????????????
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
Phil
Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation
Is this Elkslayer reincarnated?
A billion cubic yards of air mysteriously trapped underwater????????
Duh, air bubbles to the top when released underwater. Even air as dense as CO2. No matter what the temperature gradients might be.
Unless that air is held under water by the invisible hand of ..........Buddha ISIS?????????????
Why do people keep assuming they all succumbed at the same time?
I think heat is BY FAR the most likely scenario. And for context- . I consider myself pretty used to extreme temps, and could see some situations where I may end up hiking in very hot weather. I’m not just automatically scared of the temp.
That being said, there are really only two people to think about here- the adults. The baby and dog were going to stay with them no matter what. If one parent started struggling, it’s unlikely that the other would have immediately left them. They also would have probably had to been in dire conditions before they realized it was a true emergency.
So, one starts feeling ill. They slow down together. Now they’re out in the heat even longer. They take a break. They aren’t improving. Maybe by the time the other decides to go get help- they are struggling themselves. We have no clue how long they struggled- for all we know they could have been out overnight.
Alternatively- the baby fell ill first. I can’t even imagine the panic for the parents. They realize their baby is not okay, and maybe they start trying to rush back. But it’s 100+, and the route back to the car is a brutal uphill at the end of a 9 mile hike. So now one of the parents is struggling. See above situation.
A family is not going to split up at the first sign of an issue- especially when there’s a baby involved. And with heat exhaustion, they would not realize how much trouble they were in until it was maybe too late. Add in confusion from the heat, and it all makes a lot of sense.
It’s easy to become so accustomed to heat that you forget how dangerous it can be.
There was no excessive heat, and heat itself does not kill it accelerates dehydration that was not found, these people were murdered and they know why and are not saying for fear of starting a panic
And totally oblivious to the nature or lethality of heat stroke as well.
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
Phil
Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation
Is this Elkslayer reincarnated?
A billion cubic yards of air mysteriously trapped underwater????????
Duh, air bubbles to the top when released underwater. Even air as dense as CO2. No matter what the temperature gradients might be.
Unless that air is held under water by the invisible hand of ..........Buddha?????????????
Dude the CO2 killed an entire village at Lake Nyos. The fact is that you are clueless.
On 21 August 1986, a limnic eruption at Lake Nyos in northwestern Cameroon killed 1,746 people and 3,500 livestock.[1]
The eruption triggered the sudden release of about 100,000–300,000 tons (1.6 million tons, according to some sources) of carbon dioxide (CO 2).[2][3] The gas cloud initially rose at nearly 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph; 28 m/s) and then, being heavier than air, descended onto nearby villages, displacing all the air and suffocating people and livestock within 25 kilometres (16 mi) of the lake.[4][5]
A degassing system has since been installed at the lake, with the aim of reducing the concentration of CO 2 in the waters and therefore the risk of further eruptions.
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
Phil
Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation
Is this Elkslayer reincarnated?
A billion cubic yards of air mysteriously trapped underwater????????
Duh, air bubbles to the top when released underwater. Even air as dense as CO2. No matter what the temperature gradients might be.
Unless that air is held under water by the invisible hand of ..........Buddha ISIS?????????????
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
Phil
Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation
Is this Elkslayer reincarnated?
A billion cubic yards of air mysteriously trapped underwater????????
Duh, air bubbles to the top when released underwater. Even air as dense as CO2. No matter what the temperature gradients might be.
Unless that air is held under water by the invisible hand of ..........Buddha?????????????
Dude the CO2 killed an entire village at Lake Nyos. The fact is that you are clueless.
On 21 August 1986, a limnic eruption at Lake Nyos in northwestern Cameroon killed 1,746 people and 3,500 livestock.[1]
The eruption triggered the sudden release of about 100,000–300,000 tons (1.6 million tons, according to some sources) of carbon dioxide (CO 2).[2][3] The gas cloud initially rose at nearly 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph; 28 m/s) and then, being heavier than air, descended onto nearby villages, displacing all the air and suffocating people and livestock within 25 kilometres (16 mi) of the lake.[4][5]
A degassing system has since been installed at the lake, with the aim of reducing the concentration of CO 2 in the waters and therefore the risk of further eruptions.
Got no problem with volcanic eruptions releasing lethal gas clouds and killing populations. It happens occasionally.
Do have a problem with your statement that billions of cubic yards of gas was held under thermal layers in the water.
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water. Authorities are testing the water in their water bladder(s) as well as doing toxicology on the bodies. I think we're going to find that they were poisoned, either by getting bad water down at the stream before leaving or by someone ... themselves or others ... putting something poisonous in their water. This could well be a family suicide. Need to check family finances andf also check to see if any of them have a terminal medical condition. .. that's just my best guess based on what the media has released .. risky obviously.
Carbon Monoxide is nearly the same weight as air, and easily circulates with the flow of a breeze. As to the trail being near the top of a hill, not hardly.
Phil
Wrong Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air. Apparently, carbon dioxide had been accumulating from underground springs and was being held down by the water in the lake. When the billion cubic yards of gas finally burst out, it traveled low to the ground—it is heavier than air—until it dispersed. Lake Nyos must now be constantly monitored for carbon-dioxide accumulation
Is this Elkslayer reincarnated?
A billion cubic yards of air mysteriously trapped underwater????????
Duh, air bubbles to the top when released underwater. Even air as dense as CO2. No matter what the temperature gradients might be.
Unless that air is held under water by the invisible hand of ..........Buddha?????????????
Dude the CO2 killed an entire village at Lake Nyos. The fact is that you are clueless.
On 21 August 1986, a limnic eruption at Lake Nyos in northwestern Cameroon killed 1,746 people and 3,500 livestock.[1]
The eruption triggered the sudden release of about 100,000–300,000 tons (1.6 million tons, according to some sources) of carbon dioxide (CO 2).[2][3] The gas cloud initially rose at nearly 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph; 28 m/s) and then, being heavier than air, descended onto nearby villages, displacing all the air and suffocating people and livestock within 25 kilometres (16 mi) of the lake.[4][5]
A degassing system has since been installed at the lake, with the aim of reducing the concentration of CO 2 in the waters and therefore the risk of further eruptions.
Got no problem with volcanic eruptions releasing lethal gas clouds and killing populations. It happens occasionally.
Do have a problem with your statement that billions of cubic yards of gas was held under thermal layers in the water.
Do you even read the schitt you post?
LOL what you have a problem with is your own complete geological ignorance
So argue with the geologist that determined that these people were killed by a release of CO2 from the lake, I am sure that they could use a laugh
WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT TRIGGERED THIS TRAGIC EVENT? After investigating the site of the disaster, scientists were divided into two camps on the mechanism of rapid CO2 expulsion: (1) CO2 could have burst through the lake as the result of a sudden gas eruption, or (2) CO2 could have accumulated slowly in the lower part of the lake, only to be released abruptly by the overturning of the bottom waters by some unknown mechanism.
It had been known for years that the water in Lake Nyos was extremely enriched in dissolved CO2. The lake overlies a volcanic source, which appears to release CO2 and other gases. However, most of this gas does not escape into the atmosphere, but rather dissolves into the bottom waters of the lake. At a depth of over 200 meter, the sheer weight of the upper lake levels exerts considerable pressures on the bottom waters. This confining pressure allows CO2 to dissolve into the bottom waters without escaping to the surface, in much the same way that the cap on a carbonated beverage prevents CO2 from bubbling out of its container. At a depth of 200 meters, water can hold 15 times its own volume in CO2. It has been estimated that every liter of water in the lower part of the lake may have contained between 1 to 5 liters of CO2!
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water. Authorities are testing the water in their water bladder(s) as well as doing toxicology on the bodies. I think we're going to find that they were poisoned, either by getting bad water down at the stream before leaving or by someone ... themselves or others ... putting something poisonous in their water. This could well be a family suicide. Need to check family finances andf also check to see if any of them have a terminal medical condition. .. that's just my best guess based on what the media has released .. risky obviously.
Tom
The autopsy results are already complete, they showed nothing. At this point they are scrambling to create a false cause of death that is believable and they are failing for some reason, likely because there is a clear and severe danger to the general public
LOL what you have a problem with is your own complete geological ignorance
So argue with the geologist that determined that these people were killed by a release of CO2 from the lake, I am sure that they could use a laugh
WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT TRIGGERED THIS TRAGIC EVENT? After investigating the site of the disaster, scientists were divided into two camps on the mechanism of rapid CO2 expulsion: (1) CO2 could have burst through the lake as the result of a sudden gas eruption, or (2) CO2 could have accumulated slowly in the lower part of the lake, only to be released abruptly by the overturning of the bottom waters by some unknown mechanism.
It had been known for years that the water in Lake Nyos was extremely enriched in dissolved CO2. The lake overlies a volcanic source, which appears to release CO2 and other gases. However, most of this gas does not escape into the atmosphere, but rather dissolves into the bottom waters of the lake. At a depth of over 200 meter, the sheer weight of the upper lake levels exerts considerable pressures on the bottom waters. This confining pressure allows CO2 to dissolve into the bottom waters without escaping to the surface, in much the same way that the cap on a carbonated beverage prevents CO2 from bubbling out of its container. At a depth of 200 meters, water can hold 15 times its own volume in CO2. It has been estimated that every liter of water in the lower part of the lake may have contained between 1 to 5 liters of CO2!
I would have to side with the first camp.
Any large eruption of hot volcanic gas would exacerbate the dissolution of CO2 from associated cold water. So first camp could very well effect actions of second camp.
I would expect diffusion of CO2 across a thermocline. I admit to no expertise in that matter.
Your earlier posts made no allusion to dissolved gasses.
And by the way, the solution and dissolution of gasses in water is Chemistry.
LOL what you have a problem with is your own complete geological ignorance
So argue with the geologist that determined that these people were killed by a release of CO2 from the lake, I am sure that they could use a laugh
WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT TRIGGERED THIS TRAGIC EVENT? After investigating the site of the disaster, scientists were divided into two camps on the mechanism of rapid CO2 expulsion: (1) CO2 could have burst through the lake as the result of a sudden gas eruption, or (2) CO2 could have accumulated slowly in the lower part of the lake, only to be released abruptly by the overturning of the bottom waters by some unknown mechanism.
It had been known for years that the water in Lake Nyos was extremely enriched in dissolved CO2. The lake overlies a volcanic source, which appears to release CO2 and other gases. However, most of this gas does not escape into the atmosphere, but rather dissolves into the bottom waters of the lake. At a depth of over 200 meter, the sheer weight of the upper lake levels exerts considerable pressures on the bottom waters. This confining pressure allows CO2 to dissolve into the bottom waters without escaping to the surface, in much the same way that the cap on a carbonated beverage prevents CO2 from bubbling out of its container. At a depth of 200 meters, water can hold 15 times its own volume in CO2. It has been estimated that every liter of water in the lower part of the lake may have contained between 1 to 5 liters of CO2!
I would have to side with the first camp.
Any large eruption of hot volcanic gas would exacerbate the dissolution of CO2 from associated cold water. So first camp could very well effect actions of second camp.
I would expect diffusion of CO2 across a thermocline. I admit to no expertise in that matter.
Your earlier posts made no allusion to dissolved gasses.
And by the way, the solution and dissolution of gasses in water is Chemistry, not Geology.
Actually you said that it never happened and I quote.
"Do have a problem with your statement that billions of cubic yards of gas was held under thermal layers in the water.
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water. Authorities are testing the water in their water bladder(s) as well as doing toxicology on the bodies. I think we're going to find that they were poisoned, either by getting bad water down at the stream before leaving or by someone ... themselves or others ... putting something poisonous in their water. This could well be a family suicide. Need to check family finances andf also check to see if any of them have a terminal medical condition. .. that's just my best guess based on what the media has released .. risky obviously.
Tom
Dustyone: Read this. This is a very sensible man. Let's give this a little time.
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water. Authorities are testing the water in their water bladder(s) as well as doing toxicology on the bodies. I think we're going to find that they were poisoned, either by getting bad water down at the stream before leaving or by someone ... themselves or others ... putting something poisonous in their water. This could well be a family suicide. Need to check family finances andf also check to see if any of them have a terminal medical condition. .. that's just my best guess based on what the media has released .. risky obviously.
Tom
Dustyone: Read this. This is a very sensible man. Let's give this a little time.
You mean time for the f-cktards in charge to create another lie and let more decent people be murdered by the incompetent ass-wipes in charge
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water. Authorities are testing the water in their water bladder(s) as well as doing toxicology on the bodies. I think we're going to find that they were poisoned, either by getting bad water down at the stream before leaving or by someone ... themselves or others ... putting something poisonous in their water. This could well be a family suicide. Need to check family finances andf also check to see if any of them have a terminal medical condition. .. that's just my best guess based on what the media has released .. risky obviously.
Tom
Dustyone: Read this. This is a very sensible man. Let's give this a little time.
You mean time for the f-cktards in charge to create another lie and let more decent people be murdered by the incompetent ass-wipes in charge
You are not even capable of independent thought
Then what specifically do you think happened? How do you know what you "think" happened? What insight do you have that no one else has?
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water. Authorities are testing the water in their water bladder(s) as well as doing toxicology on the bodies. I think we're going to find that they were poisoned, either by getting bad water down at the stream before leaving or by someone ... themselves or others ... putting something poisonous in their water. This could well be a family suicide. Need to check family finances andf also check to see if any of them have a terminal medical condition. .. that's just my best guess based on what the media has released .. risky obviously.
Tom
Dustyone: Read this. This is a very sensible man. Let's give this a little time.
You mean time for the f-cktards in charge to create another lie and let more decent people be murdered by the incompetent ass-wipes in charge
You are not even capable of independent thought
Then what specifically do you think happened? How do you know what you "think" happened? What insight do you have that no one else has?
The post here many of which say they were gassed look over the fact that any poison gas would still remain in lung tissue and be detectable. The fact is that this is being covered up, if you do an internet search and select only references within the last 24 hours you will see that the government controlled media is already in the process of wiping this away as though it never happened. Why? Well that's elementary, because these people were hideously and effectively murdered, the only unusual fact is that the cause is being hidden. Do you really believe that no American aircraft has ever been shot down with a surface to air missile in the USA. Yawn, sure they have, it just gets covered up because the USA gave the terrorist the missile in the first place just like we just handed the Taliban billions of dollars in arms, they forgot to mention the missiles though
The water bladder/tube they were using came from China. The Chinese are poisoning products. This was part of a test run. It's contained in the plastic so that it only seeps out as water sits in it.....did no good to give it an initial washing, the poison remains. Moral of the story, don't buy Chinese goods.
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water.
I haven't been following this at all, but must say plenty of "low" spots exist on switchbacks and mountaintops, where gas heavier than air can settle. That gas can be from about anything....H2S, mining waste, algae blooms, etc. This is a crazy and unfortunate situation and I will full agree whatever the cause, it was something they all partook in. I do believe based on very limited news reports that some sort of gas poisoning is still a possibility.
Hopefully the toxicology report will shed some light. We will see.
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water.
I haven't been following this at all, but must say plenty of "low" spots exist on switchbacks and mountaintops, where gas heavier than air can settle. That gas can be from about anything....H2S, mining waste, algae blooms, etc. This is a crazy and unfortunate situation and I will full agree whatever the cause, it was something they all partook in. I do believe based on very limited news reports that some sort of gas poisoning is still a possibility.
Hopefully the toxicology report will shed some light. We will see.
Maybe.
Does not matter, if they died from gas the coroner would detect the lung damage in the autopsy. So it was not gas
The water bladder/tube they were using came from China. The Chinese are poisoning products. This was part of a test run. It's contained in the plastic so that it only seeps out as water sits in it.....did no good to give it an initial washing, the poison remains. Moral of the story, don't buy Chinese goods.
Do you have a link to where you found this info? That said if what you say is true this will be covered up rather than risk chinka trade as the people in charge of the USA work for chinka you know
The water bladder/tube they were using came from China. The Chinese are poisoning products. This was part of a test run. It's contained in the plastic so that it only seeps out as water sits in it.....did no good to give it an initial washing, the poison remains. Moral of the story, don't buy Chinese goods.
Do you have a link to where you found this info? That said if what you say is true this will be covered up rather than risk chinka trade as the people in charge of the USA work for chinka you know
The water bladder/tube they were using came from China. The Chinese are poisoning products. This was part of a test run. It's contained in the plastic so that it only seeps out as water sits in it.....did no good to give it an initial washing, the poison remains. Moral of the story, don't buy Chinese goods.
Do you have a link to where you found this info? That said if what you say is true this will be covered up rather than risk chinka trade as the people in charge of the USA work for chinka you know
Duh, he's making it up, just like you !
They certainly could have been poisoned by their water, however the first thing done would be to test the water and or container. So again either nothing was found or they already know and are hiding the truth. The funny thing here is that everyone here seems to think that they have a pathology degree and know better than the coroner
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water. Authorities are testing the water in their water bladder(s) as well as doing toxicology on the bodies. I think we're going to find that they were poisoned, either by getting bad water down at the stream before leaving or by someone ... themselves or others ... putting something poisonous in their water. This could well be a family suicide. Need to check family finances andf also check to see if any of them have a terminal medical condition. .. that's just my best guess based on what the media has released .. risky obviously.
Tom
Dustyone: Read this. This is a very sensible man. Let's give this a little time.
You mean time for the f-cktards in charge to create another lie and let more decent people be murdered by the incompetent ass-wipes in charge
You are not even capable of independent thought
Then what specifically do you think happened? How do you know what you "think" happened? What insight do you have that no one else has?
The post here many of which say they were gassed look over the fact that any poison gas would still remain in lung tissue and be detectable. The fact is that this is being covered up, if you do an internet search and select only references within the last 24 hours you will see that the government controlled media is already in the process of wiping this away as though it never happened. Why? Well that's elementary, because these people were hideously and effectively murdered, the only unusual fact is that the cause is being hidden.
OK - your detectable poison gas response makes sense. But what if by revealing a lot of information hinders a murder, suicide, or other type of investigation? What if there are suspects but right now is not the time to tip their hand? Just seems extreme for you to hammer on terrorism and coverup when more information could still be coming. I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone but this is even more out there than the "Grassy Knoll".
I've been following this. Wait for the toxicology report. Given the location they were found, on a steep, switchbacked section of trail apparently returning to the car, this is not a gas situation. Gases either rise if they're lighter than air, dissipate with any breeze at all if they're the same density as air, or sink to a low spot, which this was not, if they are heavier than air. I think that's off the table. Whatever got them, it got them all at once and it was something all partook in ... even the dog. That seemingly means food or water. Authorities are testing the water in their water bladder(s) as well as doing toxicology on the bodies. I think we're going to find that they were poisoned, either by getting bad water down at the stream before leaving or by someone ... themselves or others ... putting something poisonous in their water. This could well be a family suicide. Need to check family finances andf also check to see if any of them have a terminal medical condition. .. that's just my best guess based on what the media has released .. risky obviously.
Tom
Dustyone: Read this. This is a very sensible man. Let's give this a little time.
You mean time for the f-cktards in charge to create another lie and let more decent people be murdered by the incompetent ass-wipes in charge
You are not even capable of independent thought
Then what specifically do you think happened? How do you know what you "think" happened? What insight do you have that no one else has?
The post here many of which say they were gassed look over the fact that any poison gas would still remain in lung tissue and be detectable. The fact is that this is being covered up, if you do an internet search and select only references within the last 24 hours you will see that the government controlled media is already in the process of wiping this away as though it never happened. Why? Well that's elementary, because these people were hideously and effectively murdered, the only unusual fact is that the cause is being hidden.
OK - your detectable poison gas response makes sense. But what if by revealing a lot of information hinders a murder, suicide, or other type of investigation? What if there are suspects but right now is not the time to tip their hand? Just seems extreme for you to hammer on terrorism and coverup when more information could still be coming. I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone but this is even more out there than the "Grassy Knoll".
Logical perhaps, but what really bothers me is the people here as everywhere implying that this is an x-file. Also if what you say is true then the authorities are still allowing park access putting many others at risk. So your theory says fucg the rest of the people as we will cover up the truth. Again we the people deserve the truth, and we the people acting together might actually solve this.
Dustyone: I don't know you from Adam's off ox, but don't you think you are jumping to conclusions that do not match up with the evidence. First thing in an investigation is to rule out the most obvious. A terrorist attack on a family of 3 and their dog in remote rural California is not how terrorists generally strike. Heat stroke is possible but unlikely considering what we know. If I were the medical examiner or the detectives I would look at toxicology and the possibility of murder/suicide first. You have first thing run off down a trail with no supporting evidence. I've investigated lots of accidents, deaths, game violations, felonies, etc. and 90% + of the time the simplest explanation was the answer.
Again the only odd thing here is that the authorities are not letting the cause of these deaths be known because they are covering up something. But yea they could have been killed by swamp gas on top of a mountain, or ball lighting or perhaps something far more sinister. Have you seen the bodies?
You investigated absolutely zero human deaths of which the autopsy revealed no cause of death, so stop pretending Gomer
Dustyone: I don't know you from Adam's off ox, but don't you think you are jumping to conclusions that do not match up with the evidence. First thing in an investigation is to rule out the most obvious. A terrorist attack on a family of 3 and their dog in remote rural California is not how terrorists generally strike. Heat stroke is possible but unlikely considering what we know. If I were the medical examiner or the detectives I would look at toxicology and the possibility of murder/suicide first. You have first thing run off down a trail with no supporting evidence. I've investigated lots of accidents, deaths, game violations, felonies, etc. and 90% + of the time the simplest explanation was the answer.
Again the only odd thing here is that the authorities are not letting the cause of these deaths be known because they are covering up something. But yea they could have been killed by swamp gas on top of a mountain, or ball lighting or perhaps something far more sinister. Have you seen the bodies?
You investigated absolutely zero human deaths of which the autopsy revealed no cause of death, so stop pretending Gomer
Toxicology takes weeks you dumb F*ck. JFC
Nope, see if you are sick and in the hospital the same blood test take hours. So please do not believe your TV because that is seriously foolish
They certainly could have been poisoned by their water, however the first thing done would be to test the water and or container. So again either nothing was found or they already know and are hiding the truth. The funny thing here is that everyone here seems to think that they have a pathology degree and know better than the coroner
The only one claiming to know more than the Coroner is you.
The official report is: The Coroner has not a clue. You are claiming that to be false.
Inside information? Did you kill the family in question? How do you come by this secret inside knowledge?
Is the Coroner even a Medical Doctor? Let alone a pathologist? Or is he just an ordinary citizen elected to the position as many are?
Everything I find online indicates the Sheriff serves as Coroner.
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Doug Binnewies Sheriff-Coroner-Public Administrator, RET
They certainly could have been poisoned by their water, however the first thing done would be to test the water and or container. So again either nothing was found or they already know and are hiding the truth. The funny thing here is that everyone here seems to think that they have a pathology degree and know better than the coroner
The only one claiming to know more than the Coroner is you.
The official report is: The Coroner has not a clue. You are claiming that to be false.
Inside information? Did you kill the family in question? How do you come by this secret inside knowledge?
Is the Coroner even a Medical Doctor? Let alone a pathologist? Or is he just an ordinary citizen elected to the position as many are?
Everything I find online indicates the Sheriff serves as Coroner.
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Doug Binnewies Sheriff-Coroner-Public Administrator, RET
LOL where does it say that the Sherriff has a medical degree.
Clueless
Coroner requirements Bachelor's degree in criminology, medicine, forensic science or related field. Successful completion of medical school. Earning a physician's license. Becoming certified in forensic pathology. Prior work experience in the medical field.
and they were not too far, in a universe size respect, from the Hive at Mr Shasta.
All that mining in the area, earthquake faults, lava tubes and other underground connections could explain a path of travel for the ALIENS! to find them alone on the trail and use them as guinea pigs. Probably are whipping up an attack on the whole human race as I type this.
Coroner around here is a dude that worked in a funeral home. Maybe other training, but ceryainly no medical degree required.
If anything like that is true and the coroner is not a real medical examiner with a physicians degree, this is all the more reason to question why the bodies were not shipped to a proper facility with real experts for examination. So as I said if no cause was found the state should have stepped in to protect the people from a mysterious fatal issue that kills everyone exposed. However since they already know this is nonsense
The water bladder/tube they were using came from China. The Chinese are poisoning products. This was part of a test run. It's contained in the plastic so that it only seeps out as water sits in it.....did no good to give it an initial washing, the poison remains. Moral of the story, don't buy Chinese goods.
Do you have a link to where you found this info? That said if what you say is true this will be covered up rather than risk chinka trade as the people in charge of the USA work for chinka you know
They certainly could have been poisoned by their water, however the first thing done would be to test the water and or container. So again either nothing was found or they already know and are hiding the truth. The funny thing here is that everyone here seems to think that they have a pathology degree and know better than the coroner
The only one claiming to know more than the Coroner is you.
The official report is: The Coroner has not a clue. You are claiming that to be false.
Inside information? Did you kill the family in question? How do you come by this secret inside knowledge?
Is the Coroner even a Medical Doctor? Let alone a pathologist? Or is he just an ordinary citizen elected to the position as many are?
Everything I find online indicates the Sheriff serves as Coroner.
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Doug Binnewies Sheriff-Coroner-Public Administrator, RET
LOL where does it say that the Sherriff has a medical degree.
Clueless
Coroner requirements Bachelor's degree in criminology, medicine, forensic science or related field. Successful completion of medical school. Earning a physician's license. Becoming certified in forensic pathology. Prior work experience in the medical field.
Really you should stop embarrassing yourself
I have no clue where you dug those "requirements" up, but in this case they are likely as inconsequential as the majority of your posts.
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Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 24300, in counties of the 11th class, the board of supervisors by ordinance may consolidate the duties of certain of the county offices, in one or both of these combinations:
(a) County clerk, assessor, and recorder.
(b) Sheriff, coroner, and public administrator.
Cal. Gov’t Code § 24304.1.
Not a single thing in there about needing "successful completion of medical school" or "earning a physician's license". Zip/nada/zilch/ nothing mentioned along those lines.
In case you think/believe that CA requires a trained pathologist to perform autopsies...............guess again.
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Does the state require that pathologists perform the autopsies? No.
In case you think I just made those quotes up......................nope. You can read the rest of it here:
The water bladder/tube they were using came from China. The Chinese are poisoning products. This was part of a test run. It's contained in the plastic so that it only seeps out as water sits in it.....did no good to give it an initial washing, the poison remains. Moral of the story, don't buy Chinese goods.
Do you have a link to where you found this info? That said if what you say is true this will be covered up rather than risk chinka trade as the people in charge of the USA work for chinka you know
They certainly could have been poisoned by their water, however the first thing done would be to test the water and or container. So again either nothing was found or they already know and are hiding the truth. The funny thing here is that everyone here seems to think that they have a pathology degree and know better than the coroner
The only one claiming to know more than the Coroner is you.
The official report is: The Coroner has not a clue. You are claiming that to be false.
Inside information? Did you kill the family in question? How do you come by this secret inside knowledge?
Is the Coroner even a Medical Doctor? Let alone a pathologist? Or is he just an ordinary citizen elected to the position as many are?
Everything I find online indicates the Sheriff serves as Coroner.
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Doug Binnewies Sheriff-Coroner-Public Administrator, RET
LOL where does it say that the Sherriff has a medical degree.
Clueless
Coroner requirements Bachelor's degree in criminology, medicine, forensic science or related field. Successful completion of medical school. Earning a physician's license. Becoming certified in forensic pathology. Prior work experience in the medical field.
Really you should stop embarrassing yourself
In most jurisdictions the coroner is elected. And it says right there on the letterhead that the recently retired Sheriff of Mariposa County was also Coroner.
Nobody claimed he was a Dr. That was the question.
A good guess is they have to hire out for a Medical Examiner who is a Dr., or send the body out to another county or state lab.
All of which goes toward explaining time requirements and delays.
Not everything in life is a Chinese/Biden/Deep State conspiracy. Sometimes it is just an unfortunate set of events.
Mariposa County has a population of less than 18,000. (as of 2019) Give em a fuggin break.
They certainly could have been poisoned by their water, however the first thing done would be to test the water and or container. So again either nothing was found or they already know and are hiding the truth. The funny thing here is that everyone here seems to think that they have a pathology degree and know better than the coroner
The only one claiming to know more than the Coroner is you.
The official report is: The Coroner has not a clue. You are claiming that to be false.
Inside information? Did you kill the family in question? How do you come by this secret inside knowledge?
Is the Coroner even a Medical Doctor? Let alone a pathologist? Or is he just an ordinary citizen elected to the position as many are?
Everything I find online indicates the Sheriff serves as Coroner.
Quote
Doug Binnewies Sheriff-Coroner-Public Administrator, RET
LOL where does it say that the Sherriff has a medical degree.
Clueless
Coroner requirements Bachelor's degree in criminology, medicine, forensic science or related field. Successful completion of medical school. Earning a physician's license. Becoming certified in forensic pathology. Prior work experience in the medical field.
Really you should stop embarrassing yourself
In most jurisdictions the coroner is elected. And it says right there on the letterhead that the recently retired Sheriff of Mariposa County was also Coroner.
Nobody claimed he was a Dr. That was the question.
A good guess is they have to hire out for a Medical Examiner who is a Dr., or send the body out to another county or state lab.
All of which goes toward explaining time requirements and delays.
Not everything in life is a Chinese/Biden/Deep State conspiracy. Sometimes it is just an unfortunate set of events.
Mariposa County has a population of less than 18,000. (as of 2019) Give em a fuggin break.
If the coroner is elected and has no medical background this is how the government hides the truth. This entire investigation is now a sham. As I said
As to coroner qualifications. Anyone can tell if a person is dead. The question is why are they dead. You can bet your A$$ the sheriff shipped these bodies to a medical doctor pathologist. You can bet they will do their best to figure this one out. If there was visible trauma we would know that, so there wasn't. Something caused cardiac arrest and I have my suspicions as to what might have done it but it ain't terrorists or space aliens.
As to coroner qualifications. Anyone can tell if a person is dead. The question is why are they dead. You can bet your A$$ the sheriff shipped these bodies to a medical doctor pathologist. You can bet they will do their best to figure this one out. If there was visible trauma we would know that, so there wasn't. Something caused cardiac arrest and I have my suspicions as to what might have done it but it ain't terrorists or space aliens.
Wrong, we would not know if there was visible trauma if they neglected to forward this info, and if say a serial killer is suspected they might hide the truth while hunting the killer, putting more people at risk
You appear to be deeply invested in this terrorism hypothesis. Why?
You don't know jack schit about this case.
Actually I know that people here are actually believing that these people died of swamp gas or that this is an x-file. These people were murdered and the cause is being hidden. If there was some environmental threat the area would need to be closed and manned by armed guards to protect the public. Nothing of the sort is happening
and they were not too far, in a universe size respect, from the Hive at Mr Shasta.
All that mining in the area, earthquake faults, lava tubes and other underground connections could explain a path of travel for the ALIENS! to find them alone on the trail and use them as guinea pigs. Probably are whipping up an attack on the whole human race as I type this.
Yep, yep....They’re about to wage war on mankind.
I need to watch that Star-Trek episode where Capt. Kirk humps a green alien chick.
and they were not too far, in a universe size respect, from the Hive at Mr Shasta.
All that mining in the area, earthquake faults, lava tubes and other underground connections could explain a path of travel for the ALIENS! to find them alone on the trail and use them as guinea pigs. Probably are whipping up an attack on the whole human race as I type this.
Yep, yep....They’re about to wage war on mankind.
I need to watch that Star-Trek episode where Capt. Kirk humps a green alien chick.
As to coroner qualifications. Anyone can tell if a person is dead. The question is why are they dead. You can bet your A$$ the sheriff shipped these bodies to a medical doctor pathologist. You can bet they will do their best to figure this one out. If there was visible trauma we would know that, so there wasn't. Something caused cardiac arrest and I have my suspicions as to what might have done it but it ain't terrorists or space aliens.
Wrong, we would not know if there was visible trauma if they neglected to forward this info, and if say a serial killer is suspected they might hide the truth while hunting the killer, putting more people at risk
Most people figure out that to stop digging themselves into a hole they must get rid of the shovel. You seem to want a bigger shovel...Now if you want to talk about conspiracy, murder and government neglect, let's talk about what Afghanistan, evacuations, dead US soldiers/civilians and the Biden Administration have in common.
and they were not too far, in a universe size respect, from the Hive at Mr Shasta.
All that mining in the area, earthquake faults, lava tubes and other underground connections could explain a path of travel for the ALIENS! to find them alone on the trail and use them as guinea pigs. Probably are whipping up an attack on the whole human race as I type this.
Yep, yep....They’re about to wage war on mankind.
I need to watch that Star-Trek episode where Capt. Kirk humps a green alien chick.
I wanna be ready for their new breeding program.
🦫
Word on the street is Ol' Beaver10 will hump anything.
Probably already has experience with most living and dead things, so ALIENS! shouldn't be too big a task for the Beav to master.
and they were not too far, in a universe size respect, from the Hive at Mr Shasta.
All that mining in the area, earthquake faults, lava tubes and other underground connections could explain a path of travel for the ALIENS! to find them alone on the trail and use them as guinea pigs. Probably are whipping up an attack on the whole human race as I type this.
Yep, yep....They’re about to wage war on mankind.
I need to watch that Star-Trek episode where Capt. Kirk humps a green alien chick.
I wanna be ready for their new breeding program.
🦫
Word on the street is Ol' Beaver10 will hump anything.
Probably already has experience with most living and dead things, so ALIENS! shouldn't be too big a task for the Beav to master.
Dead ? Well, maybe after I was done, but never before.
and they were not too far, in a universe size respect, from the Hive at Mr Shasta.
All that mining in the area, earthquake faults, lava tubes and other underground connections could explain a path of travel for the ALIENS! to find them alone on the trail and use them as guinea pigs. Probably are whipping up an attack on the whole human race as I type this.
Yep, yep....They’re about to wage war on mankind.
I need to watch that Star-Trek episode where Capt. Kirk humps a green alien chick.
I wanna be ready for their new breeding program.
🦫
Word on the street is Ol' Beaver10 will hump anything.
Probably already has experience with most living and dead things, so ALIENS! shouldn't be too big a task for the Beav to master.
Dead ? Well, maybe after I was done, but never before.
Sheesh....Hold into, or off the necrophilia
🤦🏽♂️🦫
Well, I could edit that to "inanimate objects" (socks? fleshlights???) instead of dead I guess.
But, since you mentioned the "after" ones, I guess I don't need correcting.
As to coroner qualifications. Anyone can tell if a person is dead. The question is why are they dead. You can bet your A$$ the sheriff shipped these bodies to a medical doctor pathologist. You can bet they will do their best to figure this one out. If there was visible trauma we would know that, so there wasn't. Something caused cardiac arrest and I have my suspicions as to what might have done it but it ain't terrorists or space aliens.
Wrong, we would not know if there was visible trauma if they neglected to forward this info, and if say a serial killer is suspected they might hide the truth while hunting the killer, putting more people at risk
Most people figure out that to stop digging themselves into a hole they must get rid of the shovel. You seem to want a bigger shovel...Now if you want to talk about conspiracy, murder and government neglect, let's talk about what Afghanistan, evacuations, dead US soldiers/civilians and the Biden Administration have in common.
Here's a topographical map: Link of the hiking trail, unlike what's been said it's not on top of a hill... hills rise steeply on both sides of the trail. And photos taken by the local news shows the area full of smoke a day later, (Carbon Monoxide)... news said the man was found seated, with the baby and the dog, while the wife was found a ways up the trail (as if maybe she was trying to find cell phone reception. And as had already been said by others only a very preliminary autopsy has been done and no results from any toxicology test have been received yet.
(and by the way... Carbon Monoxide is lighter than air (just barely) not heavier, and it flows just like the smoke filling that river basin where the trail follows.
Here's a topographical map: Link of the hiking trail, unlike what's been said it's not on top of a hill... hills rise steeply on both sides of the trail. And photos taken by the local news shows the area full of smoke a day later, (Carbon Monoxide)... news said the man was found seated, with the baby and the dog, while the wife was found a ways up the trail (as if maybe she was trying to find cell phone reception. And as had already been said by others only a very preliminary autopsy has been done and no results from any toxicology test have been received yet.
(and by the way... Carbon Monoxide is lighter than air (just barely) not heavier, and it flows just like the smoke filling that river basin where the trail follows.
Phil
LOL the entire state of California is on fire and no one is being killed by the smoke. Furthermore there are no fires in this area, are you claiming that this family hiked into a forest fire.
I can definetly see a dog dying of heat exhaustion. It happens in Arizona on occasion with hikers dogs and a few bird dogs during quail season. I've been worried about my bird dog a time or two in the excessive heat and with them running 5 times the distance that you walk.
But this revelation doesn't add anything to all the speculation on this post.
Here's a topographical map: Link of the hiking trail, unlike what's been said it's not on top of a hill... hills rise steeply on both sides of the trail. And photos taken by the local news shows the area full of smoke a day later, (Carbon Monoxide)... news said the man was found seated, with the baby and the dog, while the wife was found a ways up the trail (as if maybe she was trying to find cell phone reception. And as had already been said by others only a very preliminary autopsy has been done and no results from any toxicology test have been received yet.
(and by the way... Carbon Monoxide is lighter than air (just barely) not heavier, and it flows just like the smoke filling that river basin where the trail follows.
Phil
LOL the entire state of California is on fire and no one is being killed by the smoke. Furthermore there are no fires in this area, are you claiming that this family hiked into a forest fire.
and they were not too far, in a universe size respect, from the Hive at Mr Shasta.
All that mining in the area, earthquake faults, lava tubes and other underground connections could explain a path of travel for the ALIENS! to find them alone on the trail and use them as guinea pigs. Probably are whipping up an attack on the whole human race as I type this.
Yep, yep....They’re about to wage war on mankind.
I need to watch that Star-Trek episode where Capt. Kirk humps a green alien chick.
I wanna be ready for their new breeding program.
🦫
They aren't green, but they do have slanted eyes
The aliens have slanted eyes???? Then I guess I've bred one back in my younger days. Wow!
Less than a month and nearly 800 post... that's got to be close to a record!
Me that's laughing...
Oh, and to that question you asked yesterday... YES 20 people killed and hundreds close to death and with long term health problems. It was the 40's not the 30's like I stated. It was a small town near Pittsburgh.
Here's a topographical map: Link of the hiking trail, unlike what's been said it's not on top of a hill... hills rise steeply on both sides of the trail. And photos taken by the local news shows the area full of smoke a day later, (Carbon Monoxide)... news said the man was found seated, with the baby and the dog, while the wife was found a ways up the trail (as if maybe she was trying to find cell phone reception. And as had already been said by others only a very preliminary autopsy has been done and no results from any toxicology test have been received yet.
(and by the way... Carbon Monoxide is lighter than air (just barely) not heavier, and it flows just like the smoke filling that river basin where the trail follows.
Less than a month and nearly 800 post... that's got to be close to a record!
Me that's laughing...
Oh, and to that question you asked yesterday... YES 20 people killed and hundreds close to death and with long term health problems. It was the 40's not the 30's like I stated. It was a small town near Pittsburgh.
Phil
Really, what exactly is the record. LOL you may have ask me something yesterday, however unfortunately sometimes I have a secretary open my fan mail, at any rate we do miss some of your request. However feel free to submit another request, I will try to expedite an answer for you
Well, they almost surely died of cardiac arrest. There are only 5 things outside of trauma that can kill you fairly quickly. Cardiac arrest, stroke, aneurism, embolism, anaphylactic shock are the 5 as far as I know. The question is what caused or induced it if it was cardiac arrest. I would suspect a murder suicide or suicide pact. The chemical I mentioned when this thread first started has been in use by archery hunters to quickly kill deer no matter where they're hit. The name of the compound is succinycholine also known as Anectine and if it is obtainable by hunters it wouldn't be hard to get. These were well educated people and they would have been able to research drugs. This stuff breaks down and is almost undetectable and a very small needle mark would be hard to find. I'm not familiar enough with natural release of poison sulfide gas to know if that theory holds water. Dying from heat or dehydration I guess is possible but doesn't sound likely. I could be very wrong on this and I sure don't have all the information.
Well, they almost surely died of cardiac arrest. There are only 5 things outside of trauma that can kill you fairly quickly. Cardiac arrest, stroke, aneurism, embolism, anaphylactic shock are the 5 as far as I know. The question is what caused or induced it if it was cardiac arrest. I would suspect a murder suicide or suicide pact. The chemical I mentioned when this thread first started has been in use by archery hunters to quickly kill deer no matter where they're hit.
Correct me if my non-medical background is leading me astray here, but wouldn't a "stroke, aneurism, embolism and anaphylactic shock" all ultimately lead to a person going into cardiac arrest? Cardiac arrest is just when your heart stops beating or working....and all of those conditions listed would lead to that right? I am not in the medical field so I could be way off here.
I am also not following you on the chemical used by archery hunters. What is that all about? You've got a lot of posts on this thread and I don't feel like searching through them all to find out.
Less than a month and nearly 800 post... that's got to be close to a record!
Me that's laughing...
Oh, and to that question you asked yesterday... YES 20 people killed and hundreds close to death and with long term health problems. It was the 40's not the 30's like I stated. It was a small town near Pittsburgh.
Phil
Really, what exactly is the record. LOL you may have ask me something yesterday, however unfortunately sometimes I have a secretary open my fan mail, at any rate we do miss some of your request. However feel free to submit another request, I will try to expedite an answer for you
GayGhost thinks he is doing math by repeating numbers . LOL
Well, they almost surely died of cardiac arrest. There are only 5 things outside of trauma that can kill you fairly quickly. Cardiac arrest, stroke, aneurism, embolism, anaphylactic shock are the 5 as far as I know. The question is what caused or induced it if it was cardiac arrest. I would suspect a murder suicide or suicide pact. The chemical I mentioned when this thread first started has been in use by archery hunters to quickly kill deer no matter where they're hit.
Correct me if my non-medical background is leading me astray here, but wouldn't a "stroke, aneurism, embolism and anaphylactic shock" all ultimately lead to a person going into cardiac arrest? Cardiac arrest is just when your heart stops beating or working....and all of those conditions listed would lead to that right? I am not in the medical field so I could be way off here.
I am also not following you on the chemical used by archery hunters. What is that all about? You've got a lot of posts on this thread and I don't feel like searching through them all to find out.
It would be like saying that they died of death. Death being the main cause of dead people.
I guess cardiac arrest is the ultimate killer in the 5 things I mentioned. I did say ''the question is what caused or induced it if it was cardiac arrest''. I was asked what my suspicion was and I answered that I suspect a murder suicide or a suicide pact. Also if the whole answer had been quoted I said I could be very wrong and I sure don't have all the information.
You appear to be deeply invested in this terrorism hypothesis. Why?
You don't know jack schit about this case.
Because he joined one month ago to stir up [bleep] and play the instigator. You think crustyone is legit? Troll.
No, jackmountain, I don't think Dustyone is legit.
Blue-check Share Blue shill.
Very likely the Duck of Death.
Not hardly.
I have seen my name twice in this thread now.
I have, and only ever will, post as duck911.
Fact is, I check in here maybe once a day, but have no desire to post much the last month or two.
Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum.
That said, I am stupid rich with .17 Fireball brass. More than I can shoot in 2 lifetimes, so will be posting five, 100 round lots on the classifieds. Maybe 500 or 1,000 more of I can get the right price.
I guess cardiac arrest is the ultimate killer in the 5 things I mentioned. I did say ''the question is what caused or induced it if it was cardiac arrest''. I was asked what my suspicion was and I answered that I suspect a murder suicide or a suicide pact. Also if the whole answer had been quoted I said I could be very wrong and I sure don't have all the information.
Not trying to make any kind of argument here....but I cut off the end part of your post where you said: "I could be very wrong on this and I sure don't have all the information" because I figured that was pertaining just to your guess as to suspecting a murder suicide or suicide pact.
This will likely be one of those cases that we never really know what the hell happened, and we'll all forget about it by next week.
I feel the cause of death, with all the info I have seen, is gas of some sort...
Was an NBC officer in the Army, besides my medical MOS's..... 54 Echo....gas was the first thing I thought of when I first read this thread, late last week.
Well, they almost surely died of cardiac arrest. There are only 5 things outside of trauma that can kill you fairly quickly. Cardiac arrest, stroke, aneurism, embolism, anaphylactic shock are the 5 as far as I know. The question is what caused or induced it if it was cardiac arrest. I would suspect a murder suicide or suicide pact. The chemical I mentioned when this thread first started has been in use by archery hunters to quickly kill deer no matter where they're hit. The name of the compound is succinycholine also known as Anectine and if it is obtainable by hunters it wouldn't be hard to get. These were well educated people and they would have been able to research drugs. This stuff breaks down and is almost undetectable and a very small needle mark would be hard to find. I'm not familiar enough with natural release of poison sulfide gas to know if that theory holds water. Dying from heat or dehydration I guess is possible but doesn't sound likely. I could be very wrong on this and I sure don't have all the information.
I believe succinycholine,known to archers as SCC is still legal for hunting in Mississippi. Google" archery pods" and there should be lots of info.
Well, they almost surely died of cardiac arrest. There are only 5 things outside of trauma that can kill you fairly quickly. Cardiac arrest, stroke, aneurism, embolism, anaphylactic shock are the 5 as far as I know. The question is what caused or induced it if it was cardiac arrest. I would suspect a murder suicide or suicide pact. The chemical I mentioned when this thread first started has been in use by archery hunters to quickly kill deer no matter where they're hit. The name of the compound is succinycholine also known as Anectine and if it is obtainable by hunters it wouldn't be hard to get. These were well educated people and they would have been able to research drugs. This stuff breaks down and is almost undetectable and a very small needle mark would be hard to find. I'm not familiar enough with natural release of poison sulfide gas to know if that theory holds water. Dying from heat or dehydration I guess is possible but doesn't sound likely. I could be very wrong on this and I sure don't have all the information.
I believe succinycholine,known to archers as SCC is still legal for hunting in Mississippi. Google" archery pods" and there should be lots of info.
LOL all of you people are forgetting that a coroner looked at the bodies. Cardiac arrest would not happen to 3 people and a dog at the same time, and if it did the signs of the heart attacks would be clearly evident to the coroner that examined the bodies. So again they already know the cause of death and are not letting the people know.
I feel the cause of death, with all the info I have seen, is gas of some sort...
Was an NBC officer in the Army, besides my medical MOS's..... 54 Echo....gas was the first thing I thought of when I first read this thread, late last week.
They will possibly tell us that it is mine gas, and that these two adults took their dog and infant child into a mine while they prospected for gold. We will never know about the Islamic symbols carved into their chests though
I feel the cause of death, with all the info I have seen, is gas of some sort...
Was an NBC officer in the Army, besides my medical MOS's..... 54 Echo....gas was the first thing I thought of when I first read this thread, late last week.
They will possibly tell us that it is mine gas, and that these two adults took their dog and infant child into a mine while they prospected for gold. We will never know about the Islamic symbols carved into their chests though
LOL, great scoop Jimmy, mine gas and weapons are the only two causes they've ruled out.
I feel the cause of death, with all the info I have seen, is gas of some sort...
Was an NBC officer in the Army, besides my medical MOS's..... 54 Echo....gas was the first thing I thought of when I first read this thread, late last week.
They will possibly tell us that it is mine gas, and that these two adults took their dog and infant child into a mine while they prospected for gold. We will never know about the Islamic symbols carved into their chests though
LOL, great scoop Jimmy, mine gas and weapons are the only two causes they've ruled out.
Lol, then that still leaves room for the "Islamic symbols".......
You appear to be deeply invested in this terrorism hypothesis. Why?
You don't know jack schit about this case.
Because he joined one month ago to stir up [bleep] and play the instigator. You think crustyone is legit? Troll.
No, jackmountain, I don't think Dustyone is legit.
Blue-check Share Blue shill.
Very likely the Duck of Death.
Not hardly.
I have seen my name twice in this thread now.
I have, and only ever will, post as duck911.
Fact is, I check in here maybe once a day, but have no desire to post much the last month or two.
Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum.
It is amazing how this place has gone to chit.
Hence, my lack of interest.
Thanks for clearing that up Duck. Now we know since you have ultra-credibility here.
You appear to be deeply invested in this terrorism hypothesis. Why?
You don't know jack schit about this case.
Because he joined one month ago to stir up [bleep] and play the instigator. You think crustyone is legit? Troll.
No, jackmountain, I don't think Dustyone is legit.
Blue-check Share Blue shill.
Very likely the Duck of Death.
Not hardly.
I have seen my name twice in this thread now.
I have, and only ever will, post as duck911.
Fact is, I check in here maybe once a day, but have no desire to post much the last month or two.
Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum.
It is amazing how this place has gone to chit.
Hence, my lack of interest.
Thanks for clearing that up Duck. Now we know since you have ultra-credibility here.
You appear to be deeply invested in this terrorism hypothesis. Why?
You don't know jack schit about this case.
Because he joined one month ago to stir up [bleep] and play the instigator. You think crustyone is legit? Troll.
No, jackmountain, I don't think Dustyone is legit.
Blue-check Share Blue shill.
Very likely the Duck of Death.
Not hardly.
I have seen my name twice in this thread now.
I have, and only ever will, post as duck911.
Fact is, I check in here maybe once a day, but have no desire to post much the last month or two.
Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum.
It is amazing how this place has gone to chit.
Hence, my lack of interest.
Thanks for clearing that up Duck. Now we know since you have ultra-credibility here.
You appear to be deeply invested in this terrorism hypothesis. Why?
You don't know jack schit about this case.
Because he joined one month ago to stir up [bleep] and play the instigator. You think crustyone is legit? Troll.
No, jackmountain, I don't think Dustyone is legit.
Blue-check Share Blue shill.
Very likely the Duck of Death.
Not hardly.
I have seen my name twice in this thread now.
I have, and only ever will, post as duck911.
Fact is, I check in here maybe once a day, but have no desire to post much the last month or two.
Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum.
It is amazing how this place has gone to chit.
Hence, my lack of interest.
Thanks for clearing that up Duck. Now we know since you have ultra-credibility here.
What did Duck say that was not accurate?
What have you said that was?
Duck said "Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum."
So again which part do you believe is wrong? because it is all accurate
Colonel mustard in the library with the candlestick. The bodies were moved from the library and arranged on the trail. The head trauma injuries remain (have not been made public) but can not be accounted for since the candlestick wasn't at the scene.
I feel the cause of death, with all the info I have seen, is gas of some sort...
Was an NBC officer in the Army, besides my medical MOS's..... 54 Echo....gas was the first thing I thought of when I first read this thread, late last week.
They will possibly tell us that it is mine gas, and that these two adults took their dog and infant child into a mine while they prospected for gold. We will never know about the Islamic symbols carved into their chests though
LOL, great scoop Jimmy, mine gas and weapons are the only two causes they've ruled out.
Lol, then that still leaves room for the "Islamic symbols".......
Yes, it's well-known that Islamic terrorists often target remote hiking trails with hardly any people around for their attacks.
I feel the cause of death, with all the info I have seen, is gas of some sort...
Was an NBC officer in the Army, besides my medical MOS's..... 54 Echo....gas was the first thing I thought of when I first read this thread, late last week.
They will possibly tell us that it is mine gas, and that these two adults took their dog and infant child into a mine while they prospected for gold. We will never know about the Islamic symbols carved into their chests though
LOL, great scoop Jimmy, mine gas and weapons are the only two causes they've ruled out.
Lol, then that still leaves room for the "Islamic symbols".......
Yes, it's well-known that Islamic terrorists often target remote hiking trails with hardly any people around for their attacks.
No it's not well known because when it happens the sh-tfaces in the American government hide the truth like they are doing now. Or did the government just begin telling the full truth for some reason
I was driving through Mississippi, years ago, and I had heard about succinylcholine, trade name for it is Anectine, and I went in to a sporting goods store to check it out. Sure enough they sold it there over the counter. It was in a little glass vial and it was a powder. And they sold little "pods." You unscrew the broad head, and you slip the pod over the shaft of the arrrow. You lift the edge of the pod and put the powder in there. Then you put the broadhead back on.
When the arrow hits the deer, the anectine powder is released into the flesh of the deer. One of the guys in that store said he hunted with it and he said, one time he hit a deer in the lower leg, just a terrible shot. That deer took one step and keeled over. He said, the only thing was, to be real careful when you are loading the pods, because if you have a little cut on your hand, and you spill a little anectine powder on that, you will keel over and in a few minutes you will be dead.
I was driving through Mississippi, years ago, and I had heard about succinylcholine, trade name for it is Anectine, and I went in to a sporting goods store to check it out. Sure enough they sold it there over the counter. It was in a little glass vial and it was a powder. And they sold little "pods." You unscrew the broad head, and you slip the pod over the shaft of the arrrow. You lift the edge of the pod and put the powder in there. Then you put the broadhead back on.
When the arrow hits the deer, the anectine powder is released into the flesh of the deer. One of the guys in that store said he hunted with it and he said, one time he hit a deer in the lower leg, just a terrible shot. That deer took one step and keeled over. He said, the only thing was, to be real careful when you are loading the pods, because if you have a little cut on your hand, and you spill a little anectine powder on that, you will keel over and in a few minutes you will be dead.
I was driving through Mississippi, years ago, and I had heard about succinylcholine, trade name for it is Anectine, and I went in to a sporting goods store to check it out. Sure enough they sold it there over the counter. It was in a little glass vial and it was a powder. And they sold little "pods." You unscrew the broad head, and you slip the pod over the shaft of the arrrow. You lift the edge of the pod and put the powder in there. Then you put the broadhead back on.
When the arrow hits the deer, the anectine powder is released into the flesh of the deer. One of the guys in that store said he hunted with it and he said, one time he hit a deer in the lower leg, just a terrible shot. That deer took one step and keeled over. He said, the only thing was, to be real careful when you are loading the pods, because if you have a little cut on your hand, and you spill a little anectine powder on that, you will keel over and in a few minutes you will be dead.
just available there for anyone eh?
good thing ex wives don't know much about it
I think you had to be 18 or maybe 21 to buy it, but I'm not sure.
and, there has been some strange 'heart attacks' in Ms.
8/16/2021 11 pm – Family friend reports family missing
8/17/2021 1:53 am – Family car located
8/17/2021 1:55 am – Search and Rescue Mission Initiated
8/17/2021 11 am – Family Located by Search and Rescue
8/19/2021 – Autopsies completed on Family and Dog- All currently pending toxicology
8/20/2021 – Search warrants issued for phone found with family
8/20/2021 – Search warrants issued for family home and cars- nothing significant located
8/23/2021 – Additional water samples collected from water sources along the trail area
8/24/2021 – Cell phone delivered to FBI for data extraction- Awaiting results
8/25/2021 – Search Warrants issued for possible social media access
Trail Information –
Hites Cove Rd – Savage Lundy Trail located Inside the Ferguson Fire (2018) footprint.
Entire Trail Loop is approx. 8.5 miles – 5 miles of the trail consists of a steep southern exposure path with little to no trees or shade.
Spot Weather for the area indicates temperatures during 11:50 am – 5:50 pm ranged between 103-109 degrees in certain areas of the trail.
Additional Testing / Tox- No results received as of the date of this update. Timeline for results of testing pending –
Gerrish/Chung toxicology sent to labs.
K-9 Samples sent to multiple labs.
Multiple Water samples taken in the area and of water the family had with them. Samples sent to both State Water Board and independent laps for testing.
I was driving through Mississippi, years ago, and I had heard about succinylcholine, trade name for it is Anectine, and I went in to a sporting goods store to check it out. Sure enough they sold it there over the counter. It was in a little glass vial and it was a powder. And they sold little "pods." You unscrew the broad head, and you slip the pod over the shaft of the arrrow. You lift the edge of the pod and put the powder in there. Then you put the broadhead back on.
When the arrow hits the deer, the anectine powder is released into the flesh of the deer. One of the guys in that store said he hunted with it and he said, one time he hit a deer in the lower leg, just a terrible shot. That deer took one step and keeled over. He said, the only thing was, to be real careful when you are loading the pods, because if you have a little cut on your hand, and you spill a little anectine powder on that, you will keel over and in a few minutes you will be dead.
just available there for anyone eh?
good thing ex wives don't know much about it
I think you had to be 18 or maybe 21 to buy it, but I'm not sure.
and, there has been some strange 'heart attacks' in Ms.
Actually
What is Anectine and how is it used? Anectine is a prescription medicine used to treat the symptoms of Neuromuscular Blockade. Anectine may be used alone or with other medications.
Anectine belongs to a class of drugs called Neuromuscular Blockers, Depolarizing.
What are the possible side effects of Anectine? Anectine may cause serious side effects including:
So sporting goods stores in your area sell prescription medicine now
Weather at 11:50 am - 5:50 pm ranged between 103 -109. They could have died of heat strokes, even the dog, or dehydration. Way too hot to go hiking IMHO.
Dustyone: Why don't you call Sheriff Jeremy Briese 209 966 3615 and tell him he is going off down the wrong trail with all this toxicology testing. Let him know what really happened. I think he is not in on the coverup. He needs to know.
Ya know .....some of these trolls need red flagged.
Who else joins a gun/ hunting forum and never adds to gun/ hunting content?
Instead spews nothing but crazy chit?
Must be some drug cocktail theyre on, pre gender reassignment regimen.
If by crazy you mean that covid vaccination is a plot against American freedom or that the government does not always let the truth be known when a terrorist attack happens in the USA. Then yea I am certifiably crazy, however you are the loonatic that accepts what the government says because the government says it, which makes you a brain dead zombie.
LOL do you approve of Biden giving the Taliban the Afghanistan NOC list, so that ISIS and Al Qaeda can torture the Afghans into giving up others some of whom are American and will be hunted down in the USA
Typical thread drift in the Hunter's Campfire. We really need to change the name of this sub-forum to "The Beauty Parlor". We've gotten to the point where we've created an environment where it is apparently in vogue to join a forum and post close to 900 times in less than one month with the hugely significant majority of those posts to do nothing other than to poke, prod and provoke other members. Oh well, at least it's entertaining.
On another note, because of the interesting nature of the original subject matter of this thread, if someone hears of the actual outcome of the investigation into these deaths will you please start a new thread?
Typical thread drift in the Hunter's Campfire. We really need to change the name of this sub-forum to "The Beauty Parlor". We've gotten to the point where we've created an environment where it is apparently in vogue to join a forum and post close to 900 times in less than one month with the hugely significant majority of those posts to do nothing other than to poke, prod and provoke other members. Oh well, at least it's entertaining.
On another note, because of the interesting nature of the original subject matter of this thread, if someone hears of the actual outcome of the investigation into these deaths will you please start a new thread?
I guess I'm half way guilty here of posting and prodding on this particular thread. I've been funning Dustyone a bit although I think he is acting nutty and really is just trying to elicit responses. That said, this case does interest me. I helped out our local sheriffs quite a bit during my 30 year career along with being the primary investigator on all the boating and hunting related accidents, disappearances, and deaths many of which were highly suspicious and most of which you couldn't get the truth out of the participants. This case has a bad smell about it from the information that has been released, and it is possible the sheriff is holding back some info to see if someone comes up with something only a killer would know. Investigating strange occurrences and untangling lies became my favorite part of the job so as a naturally nosy person and an wannabe student of anthropathology (made up word) I find this case awfully intriguing.
Typical thread drift in the Hunter's Campfire. We really need to change the name of this sub-forum to "The Beauty Parlor". We've gotten to the point where we've created an environment where it is apparently in vogue to join a forum and post close to 900 times in less than one month with the hugely significant majority of those posts to do nothing other than to poke, prod and provoke other members. Oh well, at least it's entertaining.
On another note, because of the interesting nature of the original subject matter of this thread, if someone hears of the actual outcome of the investigation into these deaths will you please start a new thread?
I guess I'm half way guilty here of posting and prodding on this particular thread. I've been funning Dustyone a bit although I think he is acting nutty and really is just trying to elicit responses. That said, this case does interest me. I helped out our local sheriffs quite a bit during my 30 year career along with being the primary investigator on all the boating and hunting related accidents, disappearances, and deaths many of which were highly suspicious and most of which you couldn't get the truth out of the participants. This case has a bad smell about it from the information that has been released, and it is possible the sheriff is holding back some info to see if someone comes up with something only a killer would know. Investigating strange occurrences and untangling lies became my favorite part of the job so as a naturally nosy person and an wannabe student of anthropathology (made up word) I find this case awfully intriguing.
Dude you just totally agreed with me just using slightly different terms
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
There is nearby Hites Cove on the south fork, another hell hole but at least you can use a SxS to get down there. So steep and nasty a fire fighter flipped his caterpillar and died a few yrs ago. CalFire Dozer Operator Killed
Back in the day, Hites Cove 4WD rd:
These days I stay away from the mtns at those elevations due to poison oak sensitivity plus all the marijuana growing activity. These canyons have both. In fact there was a shootout between marijuana growers just a few air miles from Devils Gulch last month: Shootout Results in Homocide
It is very hot, dry and dusty this time of the year in those parts. Plenty of rattlesnakes, deer flies and nasty spiders too. The brush is so thick in some areas you can't get thru, even on your hands and knees. Bet this place would break most of you, SAR would have to be called in to get some of you chest beaters out before you became vulture food. Lols
This trail and canyon would be the last place I would take a young family for an outing, doesn't make sense. He could have drove his family up to Yosemite and hiked to the falls where the mist would have been rewarding then took the family to dinner or lunch on the drive home.
You all can now return to your regular bitching and fighting, it's kinda funny. I'll update if I hear anything.
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
19 pages and yours is the first useful post. Pathetic.
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
There is nearby Hites Cove on the south fork, another hell hole but at least you can use a SxS to get down there. So steep and nasty a fire fighter flipped his caterpillar and died a few yrs ago. CalFire Dozer Operator Killed
Back in the day, Hites Cove 4WD rd:
These days I stay away from the mtns at those elevations due to poison oak sensitivity plus all the marijuana growing activity. These canyons have both. In fact there was a shootout between marijuana growers just a few air miles from Devils Gulch last month: Shootout Results in Homocide
It is very hot, dry and dusty this time of the year in those parts. Plenty of rattlesnakes, deer flies and nasty spiders too. The brush is so thick in some areas you can't get thru, even on your hands and knees. Bet this place would break most of you, SAR would have to be called in to get some of you chest beaters out before you became vulture food. Lols
This trail and canyon would be the last place I would take a young family for an outing, doesn't make sense. He could have drove his family up to Yosemite and hiked to the falls where the mist would have been rewarding then took the family to dinner or lunch on the drive home.
You all can now return to your regular bitching and fighting, it's kinda funny. I'll update if I hear anything.
Devils Gulch like the entire state is a pigsty of dead trees
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
There is nearby Hites Cove on the south fork, another hell hole but at least you can use a SxS to get down there. So steep and nasty a fire fighter flipped his caterpillar and died a few yrs ago. CalFire Dozer Operator Killed
These days I stay away from the mtns at those elevations due to poison oak sensitivity plus all the marijuana growing activity. These canyons have both. In fact there was a shootout between marijuana growers just a few air miles from Devils Gulch last month: Shootout Results in Homocide
It is very hot, dry and dusty this time of the year in those parts. Plenty of rattlesnakes, deer flies and nasty spiders too. The brush is so thick in some areas you can't get thru, even on your hands and knees. Bet this place would break most of you, SAR would have to be called in to get some of you chest beaters out before you became vulture food. Lols
This trail and canyon would be the last place I would take a young family for an outing, doesn't make sense. He could have drove his family up to Yosemite and hiked to the falls where the mist would have been rewarding then took the family to dinner or lunch on the drive home.
You all can now return to your regular bitching and fighting, it's kinda funny. I'll update if I hear anything.
You are right about that area being pretty rough country, both rednecks, white trash, mining claims and brush. My bride and I took to the dirt roads south of Buck Meadows west of Yosemite. We checked out Greely and Coulterville and then took a dirt road (Bull Creek Road?) over to Briceburg and then back into Yosemite on Hwy. 140. Mariposa County has some rough country and rough people, some free range cattle. We saw houses surrounded by goats and scrap iron, and warning signs to stay off of mining claims. I wasn't much surprised. We have a lot of what I called deadenders living out around our Louisiana National Forest land. It would probably surprise most tourists to see what lives in very close proximity to the premier NP in California. If those kind of people killed these hikers I believe it would be readily apparent as to cause of death.
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
There is nearby Hites Cove on the south fork, another hell hole but at least you can use a SxS to get down there. So steep and nasty a fire fighter flipped his caterpillar and died a few yrs ago. CalFire Dozer Operator Killed
These days I stay away from the mtns at those elevations due to poison oak sensitivity plus all the marijuana growing activity. These canyons have both. In fact there was a shootout between marijuana growers just a few air miles from Devils Gulch last month: Shootout Results in Homocide
It is very hot, dry and dusty this time of the year in those parts. Plenty of rattlesnakes, deer flies and nasty spiders too. The brush is so thick in some areas you can't get thru, even on your hands and knees. Bet this place would break most of you, SAR would have to be called in to get some of you chest beaters out before you became vulture food. Lols
This trail and canyon would be the last place I would take a young family for an outing, doesn't make sense. He could have drove his family up to Yosemite and hiked to the falls where the mist would have been rewarding then took the family to dinner or lunch on the drive home.
You all can now return to your regular bitching and fighting, it's kinda funny. I'll update if I hear anything.
You are right about that area being pretty rough country, both rednecks, white trash, mining claims and brush. My bride and I took to the dirt roads south of Buck Meadows west of Yosemite. We checked out Greely and Coulterville and then took a dirt road (Bull Creek Road?) over to Briceburg and then back into Yosemite on Hwy. 140. Mariposa County has some rough country and rough people, some free range cattle. We saw houses surrounded by goats and scrap iron, and warning signs to stay off of mining claims. I wasn't much surprised. We have a lot of what I called deadenders living out around our Louisiana National Forest land. It would probably surprise most tourists to see what lives in very close proximity to the premier NP in California. If those kind of people killed these hikers I believe it would be readily apparent as to cause of death.
Yep, know all those areas. Plenty of folks mysteriously missing for decades. Russian mafia, cartels, deranged psychos (NG, Stayner, Pitchfork, Pig pen, Tahoe killer to name a few) are known in these parts. Puts Louisiana to shame.
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
There is nearby Hites Cove on the south fork, another hell hole but at least you can use a SxS to get down there. So steep and nasty a fire fighter flipped his caterpillar and died a few yrs ago. CalFire Dozer Operator Killed
These days I stay away from the mtns at those elevations due to poison oak sensitivity plus all the marijuana growing activity. These canyons have both. In fact there was a shootout between marijuana growers just a few air miles from Devils Gulch last month: Shootout Results in Homocide
It is very hot, dry and dusty this time of the year in those parts. Plenty of rattlesnakes, deer flies and nasty spiders too. The brush is so thick in some areas you can't get thru, even on your hands and knees. Bet this place would break most of you, SAR would have to be called in to get some of you chest beaters out before you became vulture food. Lols
This trail and canyon would be the last place I would take a young family for an outing, doesn't make sense. He could have drove his family up to Yosemite and hiked to the falls where the mist would have been rewarding then took the family to dinner or lunch on the drive home.
You all can now return to your regular bitching and fighting, it's kinda funny. I'll update if I hear anything.
You are right about that area being pretty rough country, both rednecks, white trash, mining claims and brush. My bride and I took to the dirt roads south of Buck Meadows west of Yosemite. We checked out Greely and Coulterville and then took a dirt road (Bull Creek Road?) over to Briceburg and then back into Yosemite on Hwy. 140. Mariposa County has some rough country and rough people, some free range cattle. We saw houses surrounded by goats and scrap iron, and warning signs to stay off of mining claims. I wasn't much surprised. We have a lot of what I called deadenders living out around our Louisiana National Forest land. It would probably surprise most tourists to see what lives in very close proximity to the premier NP in California. If those kind of people killed these hikers I believe it would be readily apparent as to cause of death.
Yep, know all those areas. Plenty of folks mysteriously missing for decades. Russian mafia, cartels, deranged psychos (NG, Stayner, Pitchfork, Pig pen, Tahoe killer to name a few). Puts Louisiana to shame.
No one is missing 3 adults and a dog were murdered and the sheriff is hiding why and how they died.
Toxic algae blooms are visible and smelly, no one drinks this stuff. If you die from mine gas you die in that mine. If Satan carves muslim symbols in your chest the government acts like you never existed
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
There is nearby Hites Cove on the south fork, another hell hole but at least you can use a SxS to get down there. So steep and nasty a fire fighter flipped his caterpillar and died a few yrs ago. CalFire Dozer Operator Killed
Back in the day, Hites Cove 4WD rd:
These days I stay away from the mtns at those elevations due to poison oak sensitivity plus all the marijuana growing activity. These canyons have both. In fact there was a shootout between marijuana growers just a few air miles from Devils Gulch last month: Shootout Results in Homocide
It is very hot, dry and dusty this time of the year in those parts. Plenty of rattlesnakes, deer flies and nasty spiders too. The brush is so thick in some areas you can't get thru, even on your hands and knees. Bet this place would break most of you, SAR would have to be called in to get some of you chest beaters out before you became vulture food. Lols
This trail and canyon would be the last place I would take a young family for an outing, doesn't make sense. He could have drove his family up to Yosemite and hiked to the falls where the mist would have been rewarding then took the family to dinner or lunch on the drive home.
You all can now return to your regular bitching and fighting, it's kinda funny. I'll update if I hear anything.
Devils Gulch like the entire state is a pigsty of dead trees
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
There is nearby Hites Cove on the south fork, another hell hole but at least you can use a SxS to get down there. So steep and nasty a fire fighter flipped his caterpillar and died a few yrs ago. CalFire Dozer Operator Killed
Back in the day, Hites Cove 4WD rd:
These days I stay away from the mtns at those elevations due to poison oak sensitivity plus all the marijuana growing activity. These canyons have both. In fact there was a shootout between marijuana growers just a few air miles from Devils Gulch last month: Shootout Results in Homocide
It is very hot, dry and dusty this time of the year in those parts. Plenty of rattlesnakes, deer flies and nasty spiders too. The brush is so thick in some areas you can't get thru, even on your hands and knees. Bet this place would break most of you, SAR would have to be called in to get some of you chest beaters out before you became vulture food. Lols
This trail and canyon would be the last place I would take a young family for an outing, doesn't make sense. He could have drove his family up to Yosemite and hiked to the falls where the mist would have been rewarding then took the family to dinner or lunch on the drive home.
You all can now return to your regular bitching and fighting, it's kinda funny. I'll update if I hear anything.
Devils Gulch like the entire state is a pigsty of dead trees
Duck said "Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum."
So again which part do you believe is wrong? because it is all accurate
I've read this entire thread and the only thing that jumps out at me is this post. I want everyone here to start a massive effort to search the forum and find the last time ANYONE has defended duck toucher. Just once. It doesn't happen.
How y'all gave up on calling this sock puppet the duck caresser is beyond me. It's pretty clear. Duck has no desire to check in here anymore? BS. He's just doing it with a different name and doing the same stuff he's always doing.
Sharpen up, boys.
Also, Conrad, I promise you I care less. So much so that I took my wife, kids, and dogs hiking today into a gorge. If that's wrong, I don't wanna be right. Pocket aces.
They sure are. Friend of a friend is really in touch with Kiana and he was just telling me the other day how badly they miss your grandfather and wish you’d come back and share some stories. Just make sure to take your camera and post the videos.
So again which part do you believe is wrong? because it is all accurate
Golly-gee, so harsh and demanding. I'll answer you immediately. Hold your breath while you wait.
The only person that you are bull sh-tting is yourself.
PS Market's open
Please ease up on the comedy routine. I almost fell out of the chair.
So true - D1 reminds me of the little dancing monkey on the street - holding out his little cap for another quarter - entertaining but gets boring after a while - go away little monkey, I have already given you all the quarters I am going to.
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
There is nearby Hites Cove on the south fork, another hell hole but at least you can use a SxS to get down there. So steep and nasty a fire fighter flipped his caterpillar and died a few yrs ago. CalFire Dozer Operator Killed
Back in the day, Hites Cove 4WD rd:
These days I stay away from the mtns at those elevations due to poison oak sensitivity plus all the marijuana growing activity. These canyons have both. In fact there was a shootout between marijuana growers just a few air miles from Devils Gulch last month: Shootout Results in Homocide
It is very hot, dry and dusty this time of the year in those parts. Plenty of rattlesnakes, deer flies and nasty spiders too. The brush is so thick in some areas you can't get thru, even on your hands and knees. Bet this place would break most of you, SAR would have to be called in to get some of you chest beaters out before you became vulture food. Lols
This trail and canyon would be the last place I would take a young family for an outing, doesn't make sense. He could have drove his family up to Yosemite and hiked to the falls where the mist would have been rewarding then took the family to dinner or lunch on the drive home.
You all can now return to your regular bitching and fighting, it's kinda funny. I'll update if I hear anything.
Devils Gulch like the entire state is a pigsty of dead trees
Duck said "Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum."
So again which part do you believe is wrong? because it is all accurate
I've read this entire thread and the only thing that jumps out at me is this post. I want everyone here to start a massive effort to search the forum and find the last time ANYONE has defended duck toucher. Just once. It doesn't happen.
How y'all gave up on calling this sock puppet the duck caresser is beyond me. It's pretty clear. Duck has no desire to check in here anymore? BS. He's just doing it with a different name and doing the same stuff he's always doing.
Sharpen up, boys.
Also, Conrad, I promise you I care less. So much so that I took my wife, kids, and dogs hiking today into a gorge. If that's wrong, I don't wanna be right. Pocket aces.
Double ace out.
Yes, it is me, because clearly I want to spend **MORE** time here. Get a fuggin' grip, you idiot.
I'm tired of sorting through COVID threads and reading the same dumb fuggs throw the same insults around, day after day. This place is just the same old fuggs talking about the same old chit, day, after day, after day.
That, and sports betting (NFL) season, are the reasons I've been absent.
it was murder hornets, failing that it is like on the slopes of our meager mountain, no one is to climb it due to poisonous gases in crevasses produced from the dormant, yet active volcano which is what mount meager is.
Duck said "Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum."
So again which part do you believe is wrong? because it is all accurate
I've read this entire thread and the only thing that jumps out at me is this post. I want everyone here to start a massive effort to search the forum and find the last time ANYONE has defended duck toucher. Just once. It doesn't happen.
How y'all gave up on calling this sock puppet the duck caresser is beyond me. It's pretty clear. Duck has no desire to check in here anymore? BS. He's just doing it with a different name and doing the same stuff he's always doing.
Sharpen up, boys.
Also, Conrad, I promise you I care less. So much so that I took my wife, kids, and dogs hiking today into a gorge. If that's wrong, I don't wanna be right. Pocket aces.
Double ace out.
Yes, it is me, because clearly I want to spend **MORE** time here. Get a fuggin' grip, you idiot.
I'm tired of sorting through COVID threads and reading the same dumb fuggs throw the same insults around, day after day. This place is just the same old fuggs talking about the same old chit, day, after day, after day.
That, and sports betting (NFL) season, are the reasons I've been absent.
Duck said "Literally half the posts here are about COVID, and other other half of the posts are just everyone attacking everyone else. If I wanted that I'd just join some liberal forum."
So again which part do you believe is wrong? because it is all accurate
I've read this entire thread and the only thing that jumps out at me is this post. I want everyone here to start a massive effort to search the forum and find the last time ANYONE has defended duck toucher. Just once. It doesn't happen.
How y'all gave up on calling this sock puppet the duck caresser is beyond me. It's pretty clear. Duck has no desire to check in here anymore? BS. He's just doing it with a different name and doing the same stuff he's always doing.
Sharpen up, boys.
Also, Conrad, I promise you I care less. So much so that I took my wife, kids, and dogs hiking today into a gorge. If that's wrong, I don't wanna be right. Pocket aces.
Double ace out.
Yes, it is me, because clearly I want to spend **MORE** time here. Get a fuggin' grip, you idiot.
I'm tired of sorting through COVID threads and reading the same dumb fuggs throw the same insults around, day after day. This place is just the same old fuggs talking about the same old chit, day, after day, after day.
That, and sports betting (NFL) season, are the reasons I've been absent.
Yet, you’re back. Reading this same thread you claim to want to ignore. A mere 4 weeks into the NFL season. Good on you, Dusty.
I notice you two never seem to manage to post close to the same time…
LOL their was no use of a gun as the cause of death, but they never mentioned the knife that carved the islamic symbols in the bodies. See everything is a lie
Strange case. I've been following, curious what they come up with.
Any chance a meth cook or similar letting off toxic fumes?
I've followed Paulides a long time. While I'm not sure this is one of those cases, IMO the answer to your question is "no". While the fumes thing is possible, it sure isn't plausible.
Been on this very trail a couple times long ago. And been in that canyon (Devils Gulch) or along the top more than a few times. Mostly chasing bears when hounds were legal to use for bears. Some rough meanass folks live in them areas on private land adjacent to NF, they even post no trespass signs on public land. You best pack some heat, and stay vigilant. My ex BIL used to backpack down into that canyon to fish, camp and hike back out. There's a reason it's called Devils Gulch. Packing a bear outta there is a lesson in hell. My late bear hunting friend would only take young hunters there, the ones hard up for a bear.
There is nearby Hites Cove on the south fork, another hell hole but at least you can use a SxS to get down there. So steep and nasty a fire fighter flipped his caterpillar and died a few yrs ago. CalFire Dozer Operator Killed
Back in the day, Hites Cove 4WD rd:
These days I stay away from the mtns at those elevations due to poison oak sensitivity plus all the marijuana growing activity. These canyons have both. In fact there was a shootout between marijuana growers just a few air miles from Devils Gulch last month: Shootout Results in Homocide
It is very hot, dry and dusty this time of the year in those parts. Plenty of rattlesnakes, deer flies and nasty spiders too. The brush is so thick in some areas you can't get thru, even on your hands and knees. Bet this place would break most of you, SAR would have to be called in to get some of you chest beaters out before you became vulture food. Lols
This trail and canyon would be the last place I would take a young family for an outing, doesn't make sense. He could have drove his family up to Yosemite and hiked to the falls where the mist would have been rewarding then took the family to dinner or lunch on the drive home.
You all can now return to your regular bitching and fighting, it's kinda funny. I'll update if I hear anything.
Anything to update MtnHtr?
And you bet there's some nasty spots in those foothills..........................from the OR border to the Southern one.
Strange case. I've been following, curious what they come up with.
Any chance a meth cook or similar letting off toxic fumes?
I've followed Paulides a long time. While I'm not sure this is one of those cases, IMO the answer to your question is "no". While the fumes thing is possible, it sure isn't plausible.
More likely they stopped along the way at what they thought was a "spring", never knowing it was polluted runoff from some "grow" up the hill in the chaparral. Filled water bottles, let the dog drink, gave the kiddo some water, and oops, not good.
They know (of) exactly what killed them, the family and friends just need to be thankful they have their bodies before they were removed by what did this.
The story will go the way of all of the the other stories in the Yosemite. I bet the guy had some German or Celtic decent too.
They know (of) exactly what killed them, the family and friends just need to be thankful they have their bodies before they were removed by what did this.
The story will go the way of all of the the other stories in the Yosemite. I bet the guy had some German or Celtic decent too.
They know (of) exactly what killed them, the family and friends just need to be thankful they have their bodies before they were removed by what did this.
The story will go the way of all of the the other stories in the Yosemite. I bet the guy had some German or Celtic decent too.
Its just the way it is, and always has been.
What does German or Celtic ancestry have to do with dying while hiking? I want to know because I am German and Celtic, that is, Welsh and Irish along with German.
I read they shut down the trail to the public earlier this week after determining it was not gas from a mine. Algae Bloom is supposedly still not ruled out.
The Sacramento Bee reports, the Sheriff’s Office says it has “ruled out” weapons or “chemical hazards” along the trail where the family was discovered as possible causes of death, but emphasized that, “ALL other potential causes of death remain.”
If I was guessing and I am admittedly have limited information I would guess a syringe with a rather fast acting agent. If that turns out to be true it almost had to be voluntary on the part of at least one of the adults. No outward sign of trauma is being reported. I could see 1 of the adults sneaking an injection into the other or both being in on it but it's pretty improbable a stranger could have done it. And how would you find a friendly third party to assist. I'm sure they are looking into their internet searches and their finances. Hopefully there are investigators thinking outside the box and digging. I did law enforcement out in the boondocks for 30 years and there is certainly some strange stuff goes on out there. I always said that when you found someone out on the National Forest roaming around at 2AM that poaching was probably the nicest thing they could be up to.
The problem is some of you don’t realize the scale of this kinda happening nor the length of time its been happening. This is just the one you heard of.
Just do a little youtube search or even google
This doesn’t even scratch the surface, just this year
The problem is some of you don’t realize the scale of this kinda happening nor the length of time its been happening. This is just the one you heard of.
Just do a little youtube search or even google
This doesn’t even scratch the surface, just this year
Of course people go missing in the vast wilderness like Yosemite and many other National Parks. There's millions of people that visit the parks every year and the chances of someone falling into a gully unseen, eaten my bears, or abducted by a rapist is not out of the realm of possibilities.
The problem is some of you don’t realize the scale of this kinda happening nor the length of time its been happening. This is just the one you heard of.
Just do a little youtube search or even google
This doesn’t even scratch the surface, just this year
When you have brain dead liberals going outdoors a few are bound to die and disappear because of their stupidity...... or could be a serial killer on the loose
There is definitely something going weird in these wilderness areas, and national parks. Seriously, I think it could be UFO abduction in some of these cases. However in this case at hand, they have the Mom, they have the Dad, they have the kid and they have the dog. Surely, modern science can tell the cause of the death. No way the cops don't know what killed these people
Hey, believe what you want. Doesn’t change the facts, similarities, or the numbers.
When you really get into this nationwide or worldwide it is staggering and perplexing.
Calling on the name of Jesus Christ can help you except for the accidents, animals, and serial killers which in my opinion makes up only a few of the cases.
I’ve been following the details of many cases David at Missing 411 lays out, I’ll go research them on my own. The one similar thing that really gets me is dog behavior or not able to track. I know working, tracking, and hunting dogs, its a hard one to digest.
I don't understand why anyone would day hike that trail with a baby in the summer time during a triple digit heatwave? They lived nearby, probably off Jerseydale Rd so they were familiar with the area. Did they know any better?
Winter yes, the temps are much cooler and easier hiking though it is a very steep trail. In those hot temps the couple most certainly took a dip or swim in the creek or the river further down the canyon to stay cool.
It's one strange case for sure, some type of poisoning is suspect. Last few years in other areas like Trinity County up north growers have been lacing their grows with highly toxic rodenticides, with nearby dead wildlife very evident. But the articles said there were no dead animals other than their dog found but how do we know what the LEOs really found? Wondering if the couple unknowingly drank from some poisoned laced water source way down in that canyon and on the way up it took effect?
Calling on the name of Jesus Christ can help you except for the accidents, animals, and serial killers which in my opinion makes up only a few of the cases.
I’m always amazed at how many of these have lack of details. Sure, some of the cases get more attention and support and then poop out. Can you imagine the resources that would be employed if this were in a major urban area, thats the weird part too. They aren’t doing what they can to solve all of these things for the last 4 hundred years. Why, because they already know the cause of many and it can’t get out.
Where is the best place to listen to this David Paulides dude?
After listening to a few of his podcasts and doing further research, I have come to the conclusion that Paulides is full of s chit. There's a good reddit thread that discusses how he only picks the parts of the evidence (or lack of) that makes his stories seem "spooky". Many of the cases that he has discussed in the past have since been solved with plausible explanations.
Where is the best place to listen to this David Paulides dude?
After listening to a few of his podcasts and doing further research, I have come to the conclusion that Paulides is full of s chit. There's a good reddit thread that discusses how he only picks the parts of the evidence (or lack of) that makes his stories seem "spooky". Many of the cases that he has discussed in the past have since been solved with plausible explanations.
Thats BS, Some folks work in septic tanks all day long
???
Septic tanks can produce good environments for algae and all kinds of weird gasses that I am sure are lethal at certain doses, but even then those folks working in those tanks usually wear specialized gear.
LOL their was no use of a gun as the cause of death, but they never mentioned the knife that carved the islamic symbols in the bodies. See everything is a lie
Dude, I want to sign you on. It has to be cheaper to do so than all the 'shrooms I currently buy my crew.
The septic guys I know wallow in the funky cold medina with no suits.
I understand the toxicity of the algae I just believe if the concentration was that high other peoples wouldn’t have been effected nor did they have any evidence (that we know of) of a suffocating type death (I think thats how the gas works)
Where is the best place to listen to this David Paulides dude?
After listening to a few of his podcasts and doing further research, I have come to the conclusion that Paulides is full of s chit. There's a good reddit thread that discusses how he only picks the parts of the evidence (or lack of) that makes his stories seem "spooky". Many of the cases that he has discussed in the past have since been solved with plausible explanations.
You are still ignoring the fact there is an appalling number of unsolved cases in clusters around the world.
There is definitely something going weird in these wilderness areas, and national parks. Seriously, I think it could be UFO abduction in some of these cases. However in this case at hand, they have the Mom, they have the Dad, they have the kid and they have the dog. Surely, modern science can tell the cause of the death. No way the cops don't know what killed these people
Surely an autopsy of the highest standards is being done. One would think a poison most likely. Heat/dehydration doesn't seem likely but is possible. If it was an administered poison it would have been administered by one of the adults. Swimming in toxic algae doesn't seem likely. I can see a twisted mind(s) not wanting to leave the baby and dog to cope. There's a bunch of crazies out there.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Why, because they already know the cause of many and it can’t get out.
City people move to the country and become "avid outdoor people". That usually happens without proper education or training. These people made a fatal error of some sort. Taking an infant into that heat is the most obvious indicator these people were not exercising sound or informed judgement.
Where is the best place to listen to this David Paulides dude?
After listening to a few of his podcasts and doing further research, I have come to the conclusion that Paulides is full of s chit. There's a good reddit thread that discusses how he only picks the parts of the evidence (or lack of) that makes his stories seem "spooky". Many of the cases that he has discussed in the past have since been solved with plausible explanations.
You are still ignoring the fact there is an appalling number of unsolved cases in clusters around the world.
I'm not ignoring anything. Those "clusters" occur in exactly the areas you would expect someone to seemingly "disappear" from - that is, remote wilderness areas that are unkind to even experienced outdoorsmen. I mean, folks don't typically go missing in the middle of the freeway in Los Angeles. Paulides is a snake oil salesman and as more and more of his "eerie cases" are being solved his legitimacy is falling apart.
. The one similar thing that really gets me is dog behavior or not able to track. I know working, tracking, and hunting dogs, its a hard one to digest.
If you have any real experience with tracking and hunting dogs you would know that they aren't anywhere near 100% reliable in tracking sc-hit. Better than most humans, sure - but not foolproof by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, just 2 months ago I was sitting behing a restaurant eating my lunch when a saw a teenage black yute come sprinting along the woodline at the back of the parking lot and down to the corner where he cut through the trees and headed towards some apartments on the other side of about a 20-foot wide strip of woods. Seconds later I hear police sirens coming from all directions and a police car runs up on me and asks me if I've seen anyone fitting the guy's description. Apparently he had rear-ended another car a the stoplight about 200 yards away and had jumped out and run. I told them yes I had seen him and pointed to where he had gone. They said they had a canine unit on the way and asked if I would show the canine officer where the guy ducked into the woodline. I did. And that dog didn't track a damn thing. Couldn't find squat.
I'm not ignoring anything. Those "clusters" occur in exactly the areas you would expect someone to seemingly "disappear" from - that is, remote wilderness areas that are unkind to even experienced outdoorsmen. I mean, folks don't typically go missing in the middle of the freeway in Los Angeles. Paulides is a snake oil salesman and as more and more of his "eerie cases" are being solved his legitimacy is falling apart.
I don't really care what you believe, but it is true you are ignoring an important point made by Paulides.
He claims to weed out all cases which have normal indications of wilderness mishaps. He only focuses on those that are truly unique in circumstances. Watch "Missing 411: The Hunted" for some very very strange cases. It's free on youtube.
BTW - I'll wager far more people go missing near LA freeways than all the parks in the US combined. You ignore that fact because they are almost all explainable through the usual human foul play.
I'm not ignoring anything. Those "clusters" occur in exactly the areas you would expect someone to seemingly "disappear" from - that is, remote wilderness areas that are unkind to even experienced outdoorsmen. I mean, folks don't typically go missing in the middle of the freeway in Los Angeles. Paulides is a snake oil salesman and as more and more of his "eerie cases" are being solved his legitimacy is falling apart.
I don't really care what you believe, but it is true you are ignoring an important point made by Paulides.
He claims to weed out all cases which have normal indications of wilderness mishaps. He only focuses on those that are truly unique in circumstances. Watch "Missing 411: The Hunted" for some very very strange cases. It's free on youtube.
BTW - I'll wager far more people go missing near LA freeways than all the parks in the US combined. You ignore that fact because they are almost all explainable through the usual human foul play.
I've watched Missing 411 and several other videos of him being interviewed. Further reading led me to realize that he often times has left out some important evidence that would have a person not so suspicious of some of the cases he discusses. Some of the cases are indeed strange, but they can often be explained without blaming aliens or bigfoot.
And just as an aside, Paulides was fired from the San Jose PD after being charged with fraud. Yeah, you go right ahead and believe everything else he says.
More on Paulides, from one of his book reviews - Quote: I guess it's my fault for not conducting Due Diligence on David Paulides before I purchased. Like many I have been listening to interviews with Paulides for about a year and on the surface what he is saying sounds convincing and plausible. Then I bought this book and pretty soon alarm bells started ringing all over the place. Most notably, I cannot accept that any self respecting Law Enforcement Officer would draw the conclusions Paulides has. Also the "chilling" descriptions of cases that Paulides talks about on radio interviews are not found in this book but rather this is a list of very short statements about missing person cases that upon closer inspection Paulides has heavily edited and often quite frankly lied about, in fact, most of the content has been taken from the reports found in Off the Wall and Over the Edge (who had no trouble getting these reports from the National park Service) which have been edited by Paulides to give the impression that something mysterious is going on. Even more ludicrous is the "conclusions" he somehow wrings out of these cases.
For example - Person A goes missing in 1938. Person B goes missing in 1998. For no other reason than this happened within the same Three months period there HAS to be a connection we are not being told about. Another example Person A goes missing in a Storm in 1962. Person B goes missing in 2002. Again for no other reason than there was bad weather on both occasions there MUST be a connection to both of them. It Really is that silly.
Paulides conveniently forgets to mention known causes of missing persons such as "Terminal Burrowing" or "Hypothermia Psychosis" "Paradoxical Undressing" and the most common of all "Life insurance claim scams". When the official reports he reproduces in this book don't fit in with his criteria he either edits out key parts of the report or fabricates things.
Even his Credentials are complete fiction, he was never a "Detective for over 20 years" as he likes to claim, he was a Traffic Police Officer for 16 years who resigned in disgrace after his arrest for Fraud and Theft. To claim that you were a Detective for over 20 years when in fact you were a Traffic Cop of less than 16 years before being convicted of using your position to sell Fake Celebrity Autographs is Absurd and Highly Deceptive. This is most likely why his requests for information, if he even made those requests, were denied because of his background and what he wanted to do with the information. Another fact that Paulides neglects to mention is that he is the Architect of another Scam with the Equally despicable Melba Ketchum charging people in excess of 50 USD to look at a Fake "Scientific Journal" claiming to show Evidence of Bigfoot DNA (DENOVO MAGAZINE). Only after paying this money to Him and Ketchum do people Discover that there is in fact no Scientific Journal and No DNA test proving the Existence of Bigfoot.
I think the reason I fell for this scam was because I never thought anyone would be so distasteful as to use something such as missing children to make money - I was wrong. David Paulides seems to be in a big squabble with other Big Foot researchers as to who can sell the most books and as a believer in them (I won't go into why here) I can honestly say that these beings will be rolling around laughing at his stupidity.
For references and case examples there is a fascinating, rather heated discussion between Paulides and some real researchers calling him out on his lies that can be found at -
. The one similar thing that really gets me is dog behavior or not able to track. I know working, tracking, and hunting dogs, its a hard one to digest.
If you have any real experience with tracking and hunting dogs you would know that they aren't anywhere near 100% reliable in tracking sc-hit. Better than most humans, sure - but not foolproof by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, just 2 months ago I was sitting behing a restaurant eating my lunch when a saw a teenage black yute come sprinting along the woodline at the back of the parking lot and down to the corner where he cut through the trees and headed towards some apartments on the other side of about a 20-foot wide strip of woods. Seconds later I hear police sirens coming from all directions and a police car runs up on me and asks me if I've seen anyone fitting the guy's description. Apparently he had rear-ended another car a the stoplight about 200 yards away and had jumped out and run. I told them yes I had seen him and pointed to where he had gone. They said they had a canine unit on the way and asked if I would show the canine officer where the guy ducked into the woodline. I did. And that dog didn't track a damn thing. Couldn't find squat.
A working dog ain’t a working dog, they are trained for different things. I don’t expect a drug or explosive dog to trail a negro.
A working dog ain’t a working dog, they are trained for different things. I don’t expect a drug or explosive dog to trail a negro.
Several times in my career I found drowning victims while high powered cadaver dogs were barking every where but where the body was. In every case the dog handlers chalked up another find for their dog even if he was on point barking 200 yards upstream of the body.
A working dog ain’t a working dog, they are trained for different things. I don’t expect a drug or explosive dog to trail a negro.
Several times in my career I found drowning victims while high powered cadaver dogs were barking every where but where the body was. In every case the dog handlers chalked up another find for their dog even if he was on point barking 200 yards upstream of the body.
I wonder if they find the point where the victim went in, then got swept downstream?
A working dog ain’t a working dog, they are trained for different things. I don’t expect a drug or explosive dog to trail a negro.
Several times in my career I found drowning victims while high powered cadaver dogs were barking every where but where the body was. In every case the dog handlers chalked up another find for their dog even if he was on point barking 200 yards upstream of the body.
I wonder if they find the point where the victim went in, then got swept downstream?
The scent would have left with the moving water. Those dogs weren't smelling the bodies I found. When there was a gang of boats dragging an area and coming up with nothing on an unwitnessed drowning I moved somewhere else to drag or look. One time on a particularly tragic case I told my partner for us to go on downstream to look because the dad would have swam after his 4 year old kid who had been found frozen to death in a life jacket. We let our boat drift with the current and found him visible in shallow water 2 miles from where the boat was found. The dogs were 2 miles away upstream barking on scent.
. The one similar thing that really gets me is dog behavior or not able to track. I know working, tracking, and hunting dogs, its a hard one to digest.
If you have any real experience with tracking and hunting dogs you would know that they aren't anywhere near 100% reliable in tracking sc-hit. Better than most humans, sure - but not foolproof by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, just 2 months ago I was sitting behing a restaurant eating my lunch when a saw a teenage black yute come sprinting along the woodline at the back of the parking lot and down to the corner where he cut through the trees and headed towards some apartments on the other side of about a 20-foot wide strip of woods. Seconds later I hear police sirens coming from all directions and a police car runs up on me and asks me if I've seen anyone fitting the guy's description. Apparently he had rear-ended another car a the stoplight about 200 yards away and had jumped out and run. I told them yes I had seen him and pointed to where he had gone. They said they had a canine unit on the way and asked if I would show the canine officer where the guy ducked into the woodline. I did. And that dog didn't track a damn thing. Couldn't find squat.
. The one similar thing that really gets me is dog behavior or not able to track. I know working, tracking, and hunting dogs, its a hard one to digest.
If you have any real experience with tracking and hunting dogs you would know that they aren't anywhere near 100% reliable in tracking sc-hit. Better than most humans, sure - but not foolproof by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, just 2 months ago I was sitting behing a restaurant eating my lunch when a saw a teenage black yute come sprinting along the woodline at the back of the parking lot and down to the corner where he cut through the trees and headed towards some apartments on the other side of about a 20-foot wide strip of woods. Seconds later I hear police sirens coming from all directions and a police car runs up on me and asks me if I've seen anyone fitting the guy's description. Apparently he had rear-ended another car a the stoplight about 200 yards away and had jumped out and run. I told them yes I had seen him and pointed to where he had gone. They said they had a canine unit on the way and asked if I would show the canine officer where the guy ducked into the woodline. I did. And that dog didn't track a damn thing. Couldn't find squat.
I don’t expect a drug dog... to trail a negro.
Why not?
Agreed. You KNOW that negro was a smorgasbord of drug smells and scents.
Dogs are fallible regardless of what they are trained for, each dog has a different personality too (smarts). I find tracking dogs to be more accurate for the task.
I find that hard to believe. A person who suffers a fatal lightining strike will probably have serious burns.
Check out this lightning victim. And he lived! I have worked lightning cases while a paramedic, one guy was playing golf and had a chunk of flesh the size of a tennis ball blown out of his arm. The hair on his arm was burned and he had flash burns all up and down his arm and chest. He lived too. Imagine what a fatal strike would look like.
Also you can get all kinds of burns to the clothing. These burns are very dramatic and visible, these type of injuries would be visible to the first firemen and paramedics on the scene, not to mention visible to the doctor at autopsy. At least one of those 3 humans, and likely that furry dog would display some lightning burns.
This is now the best guess, after 3 weeks? The best and the brightest pathologists in California working this, and this is the best guess? This case just gets more and more weird.
Very similar to the case I worked as a paramedic. My guy looked just like this.
Surely a lightning strike would leave telltale evidence. At this point I would say a lightning strike is the nicest thing that could have happened. At least no nefarious action involved. Mother nature sends lightning down on the just and the unjust.
Why does it take a month to find out what killed these people? I could see taking your good old time on a random pile of bones thats been out there for years but If I was in that area I would want to know what killed three seeming healthy people and a dog all at one time in short order.
They would leave giant chipmunk tracks. Even a lowly local constable would have seen them tracks.
And besides that, the search dogs would have hauled ass after them and tracked them chippies down. Any dog worth it's salt could not resist going after a giant chipmunk. I mean, look at how wound up they get over regular 'munks.
Damn, I missed that - probably because as an atmospheric scientist I tend to tune out the chicken little sky is falling crowd at every opportunity. And his statement is indeed pure, unadulterated leftist tree-hugging bulls hit. How does he know that it's not caused by excess nutrient runoff from nearby farms, pollution from somewhere else upstream, etc? Those bun-headed fa ggots piss me off. And I am surrounded by them at work every day.
Why does it take a month to find out what killed these people? I could see taking your good old time on a random pile of bones thats been out there for years but If I was in that area I would want to know what killed three seeming healthy people and a dog all at one time in short order.
They would leave giant chipmunk tracks. Even a lowly local constable would have seen them tracks.
And besides that, the search dogs would have hauled ass after them and tracked them chippies down. Any dog worth it's salt could not resist going after a giant chipmunk. I mean, look at how wound up they get over regular 'munks.
Giant flying squirrels! Hmmm ... but they would have left marks on the bodies.
We know very little about these toxins and their ability to be aerosolized — how they are made airborne. Even though these neurotoxins are known to be some of the deadliest on the planet (hence Very Fast Death Factor), it wasn’t until 2019 up in Nantucket, Massachusetts, that anyone decided to test the air around algal blooms for this stuff. Low and behold, there it was.
Aerosolized toxic algae is an interesting theory. I know that high temps (over 92F) and low humidity are the types of conditions that can cause farm chemicals like 2,4,D to aerosolize and drift. Anyone know what the humidity levels were the afternoon the day they died?
They would leave giant chipmunk tracks. Even a lowly local constable would have seen them tracks.
And besides that, the search dogs would have hauled ass after them and tracked them chippies down. Any dog worth it's salt could not resist going after a giant chipmunk. I mean, look at how wound up they get over regular 'munks.
Giant flying squirrels! Hmmm ... but they would have left marks on the bodies.
We know very little about these toxins and their ability to be aerosolized — how they are made airborne. Even though these neurotoxins are known to be some of the deadliest on the planet (hence Very Fast Death Factor), it wasn’t until 2019 up in Nantucket, Massachusetts, that anyone decided to test the air around algal blooms for this stuff. Low and behold, there it was.
Aerosolized toxic algae is an interesting theory. I know that high temps (over 92F) and low humidity are the types of conditions that can cause farm chemicals like 2,4,D to aerosolize and drift. Anyone know what the humidity levels were the afternoon the day they died?
Odds are on a 100F+ day like the day they went hiking it was low, like the past three days in Mariposa where they lived. Was kinda high there today, but was only 92F for a high. RH was 23%. Two days before that it was down to 16% and even that was probably a little influenced by the weather we had pass through Cali yesterday.
Not sure about that part of Cali, it's inland but not as far inland as we are. We regularly see single digit RH levels.
^^^ and sometimes the path is not passable when going downstream, ofttimes the ridgeline is the best option, and often too late to know that when stuck in an impregnable canyon of pickup sticks!
^^^ and sometimes the path is not passable when going downstream, ofttimes the ridgeline is the best option, and often too late to know that when stuck in an impregnable canyon of pickup sticks!
Why would they try to impregnate a canyon? How would you even attempt such a feat?
Nothing new has been released. If it was toxic algae they may not be able to prove it. Aerosolized toxic algae is an interesting theory and a plausible explanation. .
“It works the exact same way as VX gas,” Weiss says, referring to an extremely toxic compound developed for chemical warfare. “It inhibits your ability to fire your neurons to control your musculature and that leads to paralysis. … This is how chemical weapons work. There's no chance or time for intervention.”
Late in the Cold War, Weiss says, the Central Intelligence Agency was using anatoxin in suicide pills for agents who fell into enemy hands. The compound is also referred to as Very Fast Death Factor.
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Aside from drinking the water, SFGATE asked Weiss, are there other ways the family could have been exposed to a lethal dose of anatoxin?
The short answer is yes. The compound resides within cyanobacterial cells and is released when those cells rupture. Stomach acid causes this to happen, which is why ingestion is so dangerous. But then, the death of the cells can also leak anatoxin into the water. The compound is then capable of aerosolizing, Weiss says.
“So if you’re near splashing water, like rapids or something like that, and you’re getting spray on you, or there’s mist in the air, that can convey it,” he says. “They probably weren't foolish enough to drink the water ... but did the dog go into the water and come back? Did they pet the dog? The parents are probably holding the child … and the dermal tolerance is not that high. Once you get it on your body it's likely to make its way into your body, and they were sweating a lot that day, I’m sure.”
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Anatoxin also breaks down fairly quickly and easily; it doesn’t stay in tissues very long, according to Weiss. For that reason, he says, he’ll be surprised if anatoxins show up in the toxicology reports for Gerrish and Chung.
Well actually did research on toxic algae in college. Probably not that variant but have some background. It certainly won't kill you immediately in your tracks
I remember years back when bunches of cattle were killed by toxins in a lake that caused poisonous gases to form. In an Ohio River backwater near me, there was a boat dock that did a bunch of dredging, and it killed all the ducks in the area due to toxins it stirred up.
First post. A friend of a friend knew the china woman. Said she was out there. Where there is escapes me. Said she didn’t want kids and hated Mariposa. Supposedly she had possession of the water bottle. Sounds like she offed her family then herself and it won’t be suicide it’ll be accidental death for her and murder for the others. Her family doesn’t want more public than need be. Maybe that’s why Jon was found sitting up, she positioned him after death, maybe she needed to get to his phone delete stuff or check for a pulse. Men don’t die sitting up with their baby and dog next to them. Sounds as if she delivered a big FU to a man that gave her everything.
MARIPOSA COUNTY (CBS SF/AP) — A young Northern California family who was found dead after going on a hike in Sierra National Forest were killed by hyperthermia and possible dehydration after walking for hours in triple-digit heat.
Seems plausible giving a hike in 107 degree weather. Doesnt seem probable that they all died in same area. You'd think either he or she would say "it's too hot to hike, let's head back to car".
Total horseschitt. Nobody goes out like that. No father or mother; sitting upright. Child in lap. Dog next to them. Less they got flash frozen. Ridiculous. The dog gilds the Lilly. Ridiculous.
Problem is the lack of struggle to stay alive. Each one of them should have showed signs of a will to stay alive. Even the dog would want to live. They are lying to people.
Why does it take a month to find out what killed these people? I could see taking your good old time on a random pile of bones thats been out there for years but If I was in that area I would want to know what killed three seeming healthy people and a dog all at one time in short order.
Truth is fast.
Figuring a lie that might work will take a bit of time.
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