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The 6.5 Manbun has taken the 270/30-06 fandom of the past,
And rolled it around general Bullshite like a stinky burrito.


Grew up with a bunch of city cousins from Hagerstown coming up
here to hunt. Drunk, loud, belligerent. City folk from Eastern MD. 'Nuff said.

Dad used a Finnwolf, most locals used a 30-30 or 32 of some flavor.

City twits all had pumps. 06, or (Mostly) 270 and were quick to tell how much
better their junk was. For woods hunting, where 200 yards was something you could only
find by looking hard.

I held that against pumps, 270s, and the 06 for a long time.


The 6.5 Fad can do a lot. The article is right.
But how many actually buy it to be a long range/lightweight/compact/elk/deer/antelope/bear/moose....gun?
And when you consider actual vs theoretical long-range,
It doesn't have anything over the 260-308, 25-30-06.....
Most hunters aren't/shouldn't really be shooting 300 yards.

I shoot a 6.5x55. Always get ask, "What's that?".

"It's a better long range gun than a 25-06, kinda. At longer ranges.
Similar to a 270. Kinda.
All on paper.
Good bullets, good shooting? Sorta like them."


Funny thing in life. The more you know about something (especially guns) the less
comfortable you are with broad statements or absolutes.

Steve, tell me how a prc that can barely reach 7mm08 velocities in a 120gr are magically going to eclipse them in the 140ish.

7mm data is exaggerated, 6.5 data is gospel.

Talking of heavier the 7mm can shoot the 150gr and 162gr, which I said earlier, referencing the eldx for hunting, which I also said.

And again, the 7mm shoots the best killing bullet in the world, the 120gr BT, with less than 16lbs of recoil in a 7lb all up rifle.

It beats the creed and prc in versatility.

Kent

I did say this earlier to setup why the 7mm08 beats the creed and prc in a 1 gun 1 load scenario in the article... it's not all about fractions of internet ballistics when it comes to killing chit.

Kent

So PRC vs 7mm08...

My nephew that I've taken hunting since he was little and was with him on all his first elk kills and gave him my braked 338 he killed his first elk with, and I got him into reloading.

Anyway he had a 6.5prc built, he said 3000.00, plus a 2000.00 scope. I mean it's a cool looking gun, looks like something in a movie a sniper would use to kill the enemy at a mile away. He has custom bullets (not ammo) hand made by someone. I have a rem 700 long action if I ever want to build a gun. He said his gunsmith had another prc barrel that was canceled and I should use that action. The barrel ended up sold and I looked into the prc and wasn't blown away by it, no advantage over the 7mm08.

His gun is big and heavy with a bipod attached, great for flat ground and time to work a shot.

My brother had a cow elk tag last year. First light I find a herd, brother and nephew sneak out and get within 100yds, they are on a side of a steep hill, no tree to steady the gun, no way to bipod. My brother and I grew up shooting small game with 22s, tons of doves and quail, standing and aiming... standing and shooting is no big deal.

But my brother missed a chip shot, he said he was aiming low for the heart, I just think he wasn't used the the weight of a bipod and the gun overall and missed low. We looked for a few hours and a mile for blood, I couldn't believed he missed it. But he did. Last elk he killed was on his hind feet at 200yds with my 7mm08, told him soot for the shoulder and drt right there... So I'm like what the hell you aiming a low shot for?

Anyway I had my 7mm08 in camp as my wife had a mule deer hunt the next weekend, my brother likes the gun and has all one shot kills with it. So he took it that afternoon and shot his cow standing up no problem, like he would a rabbit.

Though I did have to put a stone on it's head to hold it down for him.

PS, this isn't a serious 7mm vs prc post...

Not hardly.

If we use Nosler Data for both we get the following.

7mm-08 120gr = 3267fps

https://www.nosler.com/7mm-08-remington

6.5 PRC 120gr bullet = 3413fps

https://www.nosler.com/6-5-prc

That’s just under 150fps advantage PRC, yet you refer to this as “barely reach” , interesting.

I get that the 08 is a more efficient use of case capacity vs bullet weight, but to claim that the 08 “beats” the PRC is delusional.

If 3200 fps isn’t enough, 3400 fps won’t be enough either.

That's dumb.


And you sell pharmaceuticals?

Maybe the shilen barrel is faster that the wiseman barrel... lol

Obviously you aren't going to share real world experience.

Anyway, besides hodgdon reloading data having them close... ramshot shows the prc at 3174 as fastest, with a compressed load at almost 64,000 psi... but lists the 7mm at 3062 with big game non compressed at just under 58,000 psi.

Hell I get 3080 with H4895 and that is my load for that gun, 3 for sd, mild and super accurate.

That was vs big game at 3160 but the sd was so bad, something like 3120 to 3160, and that wasn't quite max. Way to erratic, ok accuracy.

Obviously reloaders are upping the pressure on the 7mm to 61,000 and getting much faster speeds than the 3062.

Hodgdon's load data is bunk but Nosler's is gospel... right.

I thought you own both... post your results.

Kent

Six pages of bravado and borderline lunacy.

I will as soon as I get back home,

I’m at the lake and my data is at home.

Prolly Tuesday or Wednesday before I can look it up for you.

BTW, I have no personal data for StaBall 6.5.

That said, you are the one that claimed the 08 beats the PRC using Published Load Data.

So far you have not been able to back that statement up.

Yep. For over 24 years.

I think my statement makes perfect sense. In some instances 200 fps could be significant, especially if we’re talking about the difference in impact velocity between 1600 fps and 1800 fps.

200 fps difference between 3200 and 3400 doesn’t matter one whit (and a whit sure ain’t much) unless you’re extending the range to, say, 800 yards or so, which exceeds the skill level of about 99.817% of all hunters.

So I stand by my statement.




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Well, it ain't a 257 souper

He's flat out stupid. The 6.5 PRC has 12-13gr more case capacity, a 4KPSI higher max pressure, and a better shoulder. In any fair comparison using suitable powders for each it will stomp the 7mm-08 in a manner similar to the way krp was deprived of oxygen at birth. In order to compete in a 7mm, you'd need to use the WSM or RSAUM.

The 7mm-08, like the 6.5CM, is a women and children cartridge that doesn't come close to realizing the performance available even in a short action.

I likes wimmin.I likes ‘em better when they bring a 7mm-08.

It’s weird how elk and deer know it’s wimmin shootin’ ‘em with a 7mm-08, so they die fast. When a big hairy man (sech as miself, gen’rally speakin’) shoots ‘em with the Mighty -08 the bullets bounce clean off.

Weird.

You wankers better chill out or I'm gonna put some acid in your coffee and make you shoot a man's cartridge, the .45-120. Then you'll be able to talk the talk and not quibble over minutiae.

Mathew Quigley

So here you go, finally made it out to shoot, only had an hour, waiting on concrete, so cronied the 7mm08 with a new crony, first with my known loads then the staball 6.5, then my 357/38spec with new reloads and different powders. Plus the new death grip tripod to shoot off.

7mm08 tikka, just stock with a vari x II 3x9 I bought in 92 maybe. Didn't have the rangefinder but to the spot I was shooting was about 170 known from previous sessions. It's a shooter, 1 inch at 200 off a wood beam on the tailgate and bags. And a fast barrel I guess.

First time shooting with the death grip, it's not as steady as bags but decent with a bit of travel,,, thinking grandkids are getting older and closer to shooting the 222 and 22 250, they can use it.

New crony, lent out my old one that I got used years ago, wanted a new one, just put a battery in and shot through. Got a couple errors, was shooting well above it not wanting a bullet hole on the first day.

My load for this gun is 43.6gr of H4895 and a 120gr BT, with the old crony I got 3080ish with a spread of 3fps in 5 shots, 10 years ago... shot 5 shots, first one I was aiming at the box, trying out the grip and crony... first hole was high left, then the next 4 I was aiming at the dot harder, definitely had some wobble in the tripod but it was better than I thought, group of four was 1 3/8 with one bullet cutting another.












Then comes the staball.

So hodgdon claims 3054 with 51gr of staball and the 139gr hndy, so I loaded 50grs and 51grs with the 139 sst.

50gr first shot was 3011, second an error, third 2989 after turning the machine off then back on after the error.

The first shot hit high left off the target as I wasn't concentrating on aim again as much as getting a reading, next two a decent group.







Next I had loaded 50grs of H4350 just to compare with the staball 50gr load, it was a compressed load and after a month when I chambered it it was stiff getting it closed, I wasn't real sure about shooting it but did one, it was an error and I decide to shelf the other two, will take them apart and go back to 48gr which is my normal load for that weight.

Lastly I decided to shoot the 51gr staball, first shot was 3034 and second an error, I quit there, running out of time.

Strangely the 2 51gr and 1 4350 loads, last three shots, were a 1 3/4 inch group.






I don't load max loads and those were some harsh rounds, the death grip handled them really well. I'll stick with my baby loads, the 120 kills elk and deer without a hitch. But I'm impressed with the staball.

Kent

Llama, Steve ? what happened...

Kent

6.5 Creedmoor was tailor made for ringing steel and there’s nothing wrong with it for hunting. I’d rather hunt with a .260 Rem or 7/08 at all typical ranges but it’s all splitting hairs IMO

If the Creed was made by a tailor you can count on split hairs. It's what they do.