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Same here. According to a lot of folks here I’m destined to spend eternity burning in a lake of fire while some last minute born again child rapists enjoy the streets of gold in heaven.

Told the family if they feel like it spread my ashes on the mountain, if not, throw em in the dumpster behind the shop. DGAF either way to be honest.

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I do not think that God wants people to be unsure about their salvation. John 3:16 is the Gospel in a nutshell. It’s a pledge...a ‘title deed’...concerning people’s salvation. Period. No ‘if’s’ or ‘and’s’ or ‘but’s.’

John did say that he had “written these things to you that you may know that you have eternal life, to you who believe in the name of the Son of God.”

All of us must stand in judgment before God...our sins will either be covered by the Blood of the Atonement...or they won’t.

Who the fug could believe that kind of shît story? How could anyone with a brain believe that?

Dead is dead.

Ask Roy when ya get there. 😉

Medieval.

Stophel,

Since you didn't get any takers yet, I'll give you the Bible answer instead.

For an unbeliever, they are already condemned by
One single sin following an age which God holds them accountable.

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

I don't believe that anyone here is perfect.

He said,
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Condemned by the fact that their faith in Jesus is not the sole Object of their faith. Their trust is also in their ability to keep the law.
Unfortunately, they think that "whosoever believeth on Him" is on probation until they die.

I made the case, as did Pastor Arnold, that everlasting life is a GIFT that can Not be earned by good behavior. Nor can that life be forfeited by the fantasy that they will not longer sin.
It might be worth it for those who are holding onto God somehow, to let go and trust Him to hold onto them.

What do you think Stophel?

As good as the last check the Catholic Diocese cashes, I guess.

I'm buying my way in.

Baptism is not mentioned every time along with salvation in the New Testament. However, it in paired with believing often enough that God must have thought it was pretty important. Plenty like to discard it as unimportant. Not sure I want to take that chance. It is only a dunking in water at worst.

HC is a flaky pervert, who is full of sheit.

Condemnation for the mere condition of a lack of conviction is petty and childish.

My relatives and many friends/aquaintences are Roman Catholic and I love them dearly. I just lost another cousin unexpectedly, so I can't think of any topic more important.

Let me know what you think when you get a chance to watch my posts. I have one that was deleted by YT that I need to find. It was recorded in a parochial school.

My salvation can be undone when the work of Jesus is undone. It wasn't me that accomplished my salvation. Is there anyone that can take it from Christ?

It ain't, "Rock of Ages", for nothing.

H/C: Do you think Roman Catholics receive salvation?

I have yet to hear anyone really give any kind of explanation of how they can lose their salvation. One sin? Ten sins? A hundred sins? Does it matter which kind of sins?

The appearance of one "losing his salvation" is quite readily explained by the Lord Himself in the parable of the sower, Matthew 13:20-21. Only seed that takes root in good ground grows and endures.

I think many people, Christian and otherwise, don't have any concept of what Biblical salvation actually is. Many people, Christian and otherwise, actively HATE what the Bible says about salvation. It doesn't fit with what they want. It hurts their feelings. It's not inclusive enough. It's not what they would do if they were god. It doesn't seem "fair" to them.

Well, I am glad that God's salvation does not rest upon what is "fair". I am glad that salvation does not rest on my perfection.


"Then came the jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." John 10:24-30


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Ephesians 2:8-10

It's really not hard to find Biblical passages that say the same sorts of things. It's pretty plain. When people begin with the "well, what that REALLY means..." type of stuff, you know that they are not disagreeing with it from a Biblical standpoint. They are disagreeing with it because they simply don't like it. And there's a lot of people that don't like it.

I was baptized at 13. The pastor that performed the baptism later was found to be fugking a woman in the congregation while supposedly giving her marital counseling. Within a year, our youth minister was caught banging a church member while his wife died of cancer, snd the head deacon was exposed to be having an affair.

I don’t believe you can make a biblical case for your statement.

I think you’ve not got the right idea…..trying to keep it real simple…you have a relationship with your Creator or you don’t.

If you don’t want a relationship with God, tragic, but that is your choice …..No relationship with God before your death…no relationship after your death. No relationship with the Creator for “eternity.”

That sucks, but not sure what it has to do with baptism.

I have heard enough Catholic sermons and Roman Catholic friends bring this up that I have given it enough thought to read what Jesus said in those gospels He teaches on the subject.

Please look with me at the wonderful teaching you mentioned here from Jesus. To see what He is talking about, let's go back a few more verses.

"47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

First note the topic he initiates.
" Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."

Q: What is the requirement for everlasting life?
A:. The same one He told Nicodemus?
St. John 3:16 " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Here as elsewhere, He gives the literal...."believeth in him." AND
"He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."

That's very clear. Faith/ believe in Jesus for the gift of everlasting life.

Now Jesus gives the figurative (sometimes called type).

51 "I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

Q;. Was Jesus a loaf of bread? Was He a plate of wafers.... literally?
A:. Of course not. These were reminders given as common symbols. The "51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven..." is Jesus. He mentioned the manna that came down from heaven as the old testament symbol to Moses's people. The Pharisees were reminded of this from Exodus.
Then He says that He is this bread. What kind of good works does sitting down for bread and wine take? None. It is eating. We are to be reminded that it's not our own works, it is His death that paid for all sins.
Does this sound like it takes work to believe?
No. It's as easy as eating, because He is the bread of life, just as the woman at the well was told that He is the water of life.
He was not a literal cup of water. It takes no effort to drink either.
Likewise, Jesus is the Door to the sheepfold.
Salvation is as simple as walking through a door. Jesus is the only way to heaven. You must believe what?

" Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."

Do you believe this?

Of course.
I did as those I've led to Christ's way of salvation.
The whole classroom admitted this too.

It's late, but I'll see if I can find it tonight if you want to watch it.