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Re: 30-06 loading question with H4350 [Re: 28lx] #12861838 05/15/18
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Originally Posted by 28lx
Originally Posted by HaYen
HI 240NMC

The nails head has been hit as far as velocities being all over the place and expectations. I'd like to touch on a previous point bullet choice. The Barnes TTSX is considered a premium bullet and where a recommend bullet weight for an animal might be x with a Barnes you can go lighter.

Here is an option for loading a 30-06 (again mentioned about)
130gr TTSX in front of 55 gns of VARGET seated .050 off the lands.

I am getting 3100 fps and it is dead on accurate out of two rifles I load. You will have to find your sweet spot but I believe this gets you the velocity you are looking for with a bullet I've used on deer and would have no problem using it on Elk.

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HaYen


HaYen youve got me interested in trying out those 130's



[quote=28lx][quote=HaYen]

Thanks for tip on the 130s but I have a recently acquired Mannlicher-Schönauer in 270 that will take over the 130s for me. Been backing out of the black rifle match guns and aluminum chassis rifles and retooling with classic hunting rifles. Must be 50 years or older. Waiver given to the M77 RSI in 308.

No Picts cause I gave up on posting to this site as it’s a PITA but you all have seen the rifles before.

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Re: 30-06 loading question with H4350 [Re: WAM] #16516759 10/11/21
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Originally Posted by WAM
As a general comment, I usually reach book velocity with lesser charges than stated in the manual when loading TTSX’s in several weights and cartridges. Like Mule Deer’s advice, I pay more attention to velocity over the chronograph more than visual signs, not that they are ignored. I load the 168 TTSX in my ‘06 over Big Game a bit over 2,800 fps. If I want to launch a 168 TTSX faster, I shoulder my .300 Weatherby and sent it 3,300 fps. I see nothing wrong with LC or any other brass as long as weight/volume is consistent. After all, deer never inspect the headstamp. Happy Trails
PS, I would also look at Barnes manual data online for the Barnes bullets being used to decide what your velocity range should be and check those numbers against other manuals for a sanity check.



Necromancing this thread as I'm getting ready to do load development for my '06 with 165 grain Barnes TSX.

Looking at their load data, they show a *max* charge of 55.5 grains of H4350. Poking around though, there seems to be a pretty solid consensus that 57-59 grains is a sweet spot for the .30-06 shooting 165 grain TSXs. Is Barnes load data really that conservative or am I missing something?

Re: 30-06 loading question with H4350 [Re: 240NMC] #16516836 10/11/21
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They hold their loads to SAAMI pressures. It won't blow up your rifle if it likes 57-59 grains. I have found Barnes to shoot "fast" like Partitions seem to do. Just work up as usual, you'll know. smile

Re: 30-06 loading question with H4350 [Re: 240NMC] #16516841 10/11/21
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The very slightly smaller capacity of the LC brass doesn't really mean squat and I find LC to be pretty good brass, all in all. Of course you can opt for the Norma brass so you can stretch those primer pockets more easily! I do think 4350 (of any variety) is a little slow for 150's but, if you can get around 60 grains into the case, it will produce good velocity. 4451 would be another slowish powder which should work well. GD

Re: 30-06 loading question with H4350 [Re: Jim_Knight] #16516855 10/11/21
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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
They hold their loads to SAAMI pressures. It won't blow up your rifle if it likes 57-59 grains. I have found Barnes to shoot "fast" like Partitions seem to do. Just work up as usual, you'll know. smile


That's what I figured. Will probably start at 55.0 and work up in .5 grain increments. They advertise 2825 FPS with the max 55.5 grain load, and I'd like to be somewhere around 2850.

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Re: 30-06 loading question with H4350 [Re: 240NMC] #16516887 10/11/21
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Weigh a few empty LC cases and compare them to the weight of a few commercial cases (all trimmed to equal length). IF the LC brass weighs more it is thicker. They will have less internal volume and CAN give higher pressures compared to thinner brass.


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Re: 30-06 loading question with H4350 [Re: Dave_in_WV] #16516957 10/11/21
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Originally Posted by Dave_in_WV
Weigh a few empty LC cases and compare them to the weight of a few commercial cases (all trimmed to equal length). IF the LC brass weighs more it is thicker. They will have less internal volume and CAN give higher pressures compared to thinner brass.


Tracking on brass thickness. I'll be loading in RP, which from what I understand, is about average thickness and case capacity

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