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I would have absolutely been successful in shutting down dangerous behavior with a gun on set by anyone.

I stated that my remedy included banning that person from the set of the movie... And I doubted I would have been successful in that.

one of the others had been shooting live ammo in it earlier.

You could also assume that the armourer would be replaced just like the other union crew were replaced. You still have the opportunity for the tragic event due to poor gun safety by the actor. All your example does is show how the armourer does not have the ultimate control that you and rockinbar are implying.

That is good that you would have been able to shut it down, but you wouldn’t be able to ban Baldwin. Since we are playing hypotheticals what happens then if Baldwin has you replaced? I still lay the ultimate responsibility on Baldwin.

It’s been theorized elsewhere that Baldwin was supposed to shoot in the direction of the camera during a scene, and that the cinematographer and AD were behind the camera.

^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

This is exactly why Hollywood dumb chits need to STFU when it comes to firearms safety and “gun control”.



It’s the thing that goes up.

Rockinbar is 100 % correct.

You can bet the farm that the Santa Fe County Sheriff's homicide detectives are much better informed than we are ... or the rumor mills of Hollywood. They'll be investigating this incident for quite a while as they'll have to talk to multiple witnesses, multiple times, and examine multiple forensics reports.

EDIT: I've written quite a few shows wherein firearms were used by the actors. I've never written a script where I wrote in the exposition, "The actor aims his gun directly at camera." I've never known a writer who did.

If Baldwin aimed at the camera with the director and camera woman in line with camera, then it was the director who told him to aim at the camera ... and them. If so, did the director instruct Baldwin to cap off a round as they set up the scene?? Remains to be seen. The detectives will be looking at that possibility, too. Lots and lots of "ifs" in this tragic incident.

L.W.

There are no exceptions to gun safety. I can’t believe I am reading that some feel there are exceptions on this site.

Agreed, and many of the witnesses will be pizzed off union workers that walked the job because of safety and working conditions. For Longbob to continue down this "hate Baldwin" theory vs the responsibility of the Armourer along with a long list of firearm rules...is tiring at best.

If Baldwin was at fault in any way, or bypassed protocol...then throw the book at him. But the whiny statements from Hanna the armourer "I was scared", "I was worried about the blanks"...sounds like she's setting herself up for a "poor me, I'm a young woman with minimal experience" defense at trial.

Either way, the armourer prepped the gun, then somehow the assistant director hands said weapon to Baldwin, and sounds like it had live ammo in the chamber. Sounds like someone really screwed the pooch, but that gun passed though a few hands before it landed in dikwad Baldwin's hands.

It's not designed to be a GUN, it's designed to go bang/pop harmlessly...it's the "pop" gun rifle we had as little kids, cock the lever action and it goes "pop". No live ammo should have been on set, I highly doubt Baldwin stopped at the local gun store and picked up 100 rounds of ammo to bring to the set at 6:30am.

It is not designed to be a gun? Somehow Baldwin tragically shot and killed someone with it.

Just remember,
No one was ever charged or arrested in the Brandon Lee shooting.
Maybe the facts in this case will turn out to be different than with Lee's death but I wouldn't hold my breath.

It really ain’t that hard to figure out.

There was a scene where Baldwin was to shoot directly at the camera. They were going to use a cold gun to set it up. In order to set it up the cinematographer and the director wanted to see what the shot would look like and they were having him play it with the cold gun while they got everything set. Then, they would have transitioned to a hot gun and they would have been watching from monitors away from the camera.

Rockibbar has already explained this in detail, you just refuse to accept the industry manner of PROP guns on the filming set.

There appear to be only 3 instances of this happening in recent history going back to 1984, and 1 of those was self inflicted. Showing the armouer did his/her job in countless films/TV, this incident somehow becomes the actor's fault while you ignore that live ammo was on the set. According to you all of those countless films/TV shows depicting shooting, the actor was well versed in firearm safety, gun handling, and down range scenarios.

This would of course include such brainiacs as Pam Anderson, Ronda Rousey, Kevin Costner, Ben Affleck, and the list goes on and on.

Without a live load in the chamber.

You are correct. He did explain it and I refuse to accept any exception to gun safety and others in the industry agree with me. I posted a link to a current movie armourer that has the same opinion about gun safety and Baldwin’s lack there of.

I wonder why Hollywood doesn’t want to ban guns from movies…
But wants to ban guns from American citizens?!
Sarcasm off.

There should be no exceptions. You are right.

But sadly, this gets illustrated many times a year, when someone gets shot.

Not only on a movie set, but particularly by hunters and target shooters throughout the country.

Nothing is 100% safe. Even riding your bike down the street...

While this incident is much more highly publicized than other gun accidents, it's no more tragic, and you can always find "someone" to blame in any of them.

I 100% agree.