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Crud. I forget the procedure to get loved ones out of Purgatory.
Wasn't it a special prayer? I've got the old man's prayer book. Probably one of them prayer cards they give out at funerals in there, maybe one of them explains it? Wasn't Extreme Unction designed as a work around? Absolve all tha bad stuff, even for unconscious folks? It's all so complicated. Maybe I should just try to be nice and treat others the way I'd like to be treated? I think some wise person suggested something along those lines, no? I think there's also some money involved, probably around 10 to 20% of your annual gross.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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When one opens the New Testament and asks the question, "What does it look like to be a follower of Jesus...?", it's crystal clear. If one doesn’t 'get' anything else, here's the thing that should describe one, here's the thing that should characterize one 'more than anything else', here's what He said to His closest followers before He left the earth - "By *this* everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.” Period.
It's not by reading the Bible, and it’s not by memorizing Bible verses, it’s not by condemning others for their sins, and it’s not by going to church on Sunday morning, it’s not by the gold cross hangin' on one’s neck, and it's not by one’s church bumper sticker, it's not by what kind of family one was born into or raised in, and it's not that one was baptized, and it's most certainly not by the disdain that one has for certain people, and it's certainly not by policing other people's behavior either, and it’s definitely not by conforming to “orthodox Christianity.”
It’s OK that we see things differently.
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There's a lot of people in need of prayer around here.
They want their prayers to be effective as do those who ask.
These classes are to help those of us here.
You three have no interest or effect in this subject matter other than to Be the devil's advocates.
YOU are the people in Matthew 8 that went to meet with Jesus...
"So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.
And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought him that he would depart out of their coasts." Prayer is powerful.
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They are the ones who do not want to so much as think about God. The pedo human traffickers dishonor themselves as well as the little children they force. It will offend the LGPW Campfire trolls and liberal preachers, but I'm OK with that.
I will take the side of God Who thinks of it this way.
"Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven." is somebody that God loves. Everybody is somebody for whom Jesus died. You would not know that if God had not given His followers the Holy Scripture. You got that directly from the book you reject.
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When one opens the New Testament and asks the question, "What does it look like to be a follower of Jesus...?", it's crystal clear. If one doesn’t 'get' anything else, here's the thing that should describe one, here's the thing that should characterize one 'more than anything else', here's what He said to His closest followers before He left the earth - "By *this* everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.” Period.
It's not by reading the Bible, and it’s not by memorizing Bible verses, it’s not by condemning others for their sins, and it’s not by going to church on Sunday morning, it’s not by the gold cross hangin' on one’s neck, and it's not by one’s church bumper sticker, it's not by what kind of family one was born into or raised in, and it's not that one was baptized, and it's most certainly not by the disdain that one has for certain people, and it's certainly not by policing other people's behavior either, and it’s definitely not by conforming to “orthodox Christianity.”
It’s OK that we see things differently. The new Testament also contains Matthew 8. All of scripture is God's Word.
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Based On your posts HC you present God as a genie in a bottle. If you rub the bottle the right way, pray the right way, have the right kind of emotion, have enough emotion, say the right things, don’t say the wrong things you believe that you can manipulate God into granting your will.
That’s not Christian. You are wrong. The power and work of prayer is described in the Bible. It says nothing about emotion. Do you believe in prayer?
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There is a way to preach about the LGBTQ issue in the world right now that is not hateful. I've heard it & I appreciate it.
Do you consider this hateful? "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality" 1 Cor 9 Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for their sin. That's a fact.
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Based On your posts HC you present God as a genie in a bottle. If you rub the bottle the right way, pray the right way, have the right kind of emotion, have enough emotion, say the right things, don’t say the wrong things you believe that you can manipulate God into granting your will.
That’s not Christian. You are wrong. The power and work of prayer is described in the Bible. It says nothing about emotion. Do you believe in prayer? Define prayer, there's about as many definitions as there are believers... let's hear your version. Kent
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Based On your posts HC you present God as a genie in a bottle. If you rub the bottle the right way, pray the right way, have the right kind of emotion, have enough emotion, say the right things, don’t say the wrong things you believe that you can manipulate God into granting your will.
That’s not Christian. You are wrong. The power and work of prayer is described in the Bible. It says nothing about emotion. Do you believe in prayer? Define prayer, there's about as many definitions as there are believers... let's hear your version. Kent Your words make no sense. Prayer is making supplication to God. It is talking to God.
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There is a way to preach about the LGBTQ issue in the world right now that is not hateful. I've heard it & I appreciate it.
Do you consider this hateful? "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality" 1 Cor 9 Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for their sin. That's a fact. No, I do not consider those passages to be hateful as they are the word of God, We are all sinners, none better than the others. Romans 3:10-18 Saying that, the Bible can be used in a hateful manner towards others.
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Based On your posts HC you present God as a genie in a bottle. If you rub the bottle the right way, pray the right way, have the right kind of emotion, have enough emotion, say the right things, don’t say the wrong things you believe that you can manipulate God into granting your will.
That’s not Christian. You are wrong. The power and work of prayer is described in the Bible. It says nothing about emotion. Do you believe in prayer? Define prayer, there's about as many definitions as there are believers... let's hear your version. Kent Your words make no sense. Prayer is making supplication to God. It is talking to God. Let's hear how you pray, you have come here constantly challenging everyone else's Christianity, belief and now prayer. Many of us have opened up personally with our faith in Christ, yet you ask if we are Christians or believe in prayer. Let's hear you pray. Kent
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Based On your posts HC you present God as a genie in a bottle. If you rub the bottle the right way, pray the right way, have the right kind of emotion, have enough emotion, say the right things, don’t say the wrong things you believe that you can manipulate God into granting your will.
That’s not Christian. You are wrong. The power and work of prayer is described in the Bible. It says nothing about emotion. Do you believe in prayer? Define prayer, there's about as many definitions as there are believers... let's hear your version. Kent Your words make no sense. Prayer is making supplication to God. It is talking to God. Let's hear how you pray, you have come here constantly challenging everyone else's Christianity, belief and now prayer. Many of us have opened up personally with our faith in Christ, yet you ask if we are Christians or believe in prayer. Let's hear you pray. Kent You are being obtuse. I just told you how I pray. My prayers are very many. A frequent prayer I engage in is for God's will to be made manifest at all times and in all things. There are many, many examples in scripture. Do you read the Bible?
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Based On your posts HC you present God as a genie in a bottle. If you rub the bottle the right way, pray the right way, have the right kind of emotion, have enough emotion, say the right things, don’t say the wrong things you believe that you can manipulate God into granting your will.
That’s not Christian.
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There is a way to preach about the LGBTQ issue in the world right now that is not hateful. I've heard it & I appreciate it.
Do you consider this hateful? "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality" 1 Cor 9 Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for their sin. That's a fact. No, I do not consider those passages to be hateful as they are the word of God, We are all sinners, none better than the others. Romans 3:10-18 Saying that, the Bible can be used in a hateful manner towards others. You are being vague in your accusations. The LGBT community considers the Bible to be hateful. The LGBT community considers any scripture telling them that their life is sin to be hateful. Hateful is an emotion. People through the word "hateful" around like a magic bullet.
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Based On your posts HC you present God as a genie in a bottle. If you rub the bottle the right way, pray the right way, have the right kind of emotion, have enough emotion, say the right things, don’t say the wrong things you believe that you can manipulate God into granting your will.
That’s not Christian. You are wrong. The power and work of prayer is described in the Bible. It says nothing about emotion. Do you believe in prayer?
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Based On your posts HC you present God as a genie in a bottle. If you rub the bottle the right way, pray the right way, have the right kind of emotion, have enough emotion, say the right things, don’t say the wrong things you believe that you can manipulate God into granting your will.
That’s not Christian. You are wrong. The power and work of prayer is described in the Bible. It says nothing about emotion. Do you believe in prayer? Define prayer, there's about as many definitions as there are believers... let's hear your version. Kent Your words make no sense. Prayer is making supplication to God. It is talking to God. Let's hear how you pray, you have come here constantly challenging everyone else's Christianity, belief and now prayer. Many of us have opened up personally with our faith in Christ, yet you ask if we are Christians or believe in prayer. Let's hear you pray. Kent You are being obtuse. I just told you how I pray. My prayers are very many. A frequent prayer I engage in is for God's will to be made manifest at all times and in all things. There are many, many examples in scripture. Do you read the Bible? So that's a no, you won't share a prayer... are you a Christian? Kent
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Based On your posts HC you present God as a genie in a bottle. If you rub the bottle the right way, pray the right way, have the right kind of emotion, have enough emotion, say the right things, don’t say the wrong things you believe that you can manipulate God into granting your will.
That’s not Christian. You are wrong. The power and work of prayer is described in the Bible. It says nothing about emotion. Do you believe in prayer? You are charismatic? I am absolutely correct. The emphasis of prayer always concludes with “Your (God’s) will be done”. This was the conclusion of Christ’s prayer on the cross. What HC advocates is exactly what I described based on his limited explanation of his view.
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They say there’s someone in the world for everyone. OldHat and HC are a special coupling.
A lot of daughters of pious men who believed they knew God’s word better than anyone, were eager to hop in bed at the ripe age of 14-15, when I was in high school...Can honestly say, men just like you two idiots caused them to spread their legs faster and sooner, than many of the other girls.
Saint Mary’s and Grace First Baptist Church Dad’s, gave the community some fantastic little whores.
Thanks, Dad.
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That’s only one of the unfortunate results of churches preaching legalism and morality rather than the Gospel. The Gospel teaches the believer that he’s sinful rather than an example of good morality. It teaches that morality doesn’t make a person a Christian. People suck at keeping the 10 commandments.
Edited to add: as a general rule American secular and Christian culture are guilt and shame based. There is no offer of forgiveness in either.
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…..the Bible can be used in a hateful manner towards others. Clearly; and absolutely. When people use the Bible to justify mistreating other people, not only are they on the wrong side of history, but Jesus would be quick to remind them that they’re on the wrong side of God. It is OK to not be a fan of religion…including “orthodox Christianity”…but still be OK with Jesus.
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