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It seems like the 7mm-08 can dupe the 6.5 CM ballistic wise and maybe even edge it (haven't looked past 500 yards) . Is it the lighter recoil of the 6.5 or the 30 degree shoulder of the 6.5? Disclaimer: I have no idea what the benefit of a 30 degree shoulder is, maybe less case stretch??
I own both and like both, but I seem to have a greater attachment to the 7-08.
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I’m not a gun writer. But the 7mm-08 didn’t have a full scale marketing campaign behind it’s introduction.
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It seems like the 7mm-08 can dupe the 6.5 CM ballistic wise and maybe even edge it (haven't looked past 500 yards) . Is it the lighter recoil of the 6.5 or the 30 degree shoulder of the 6.5? Disclaimer: I have no idea what the benefit of a 30 degree shoulder is, maybe less case stretch??
I own both and like both, but I seem to have a greater attachment to the 7-08. 6.5CM: Lighter recoil, finer inherent accuracy, less down-range drift with less recoil, more and better factory ammo, and rifles properly twisted out of the box. I was in my second year of college when the 7-08 appeared, so I should be a candidate for it. I tried, I'm not. I prefer the 6.5 CM.
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6.5CM: Lighter recoil, finer inherent accuracy, less down-range drift with less recoil, more and better factory ammo, and rifles properly twisted out of the box.
Good summary, although I like the 7mm-08 and personally prefer it over the 6.5 CM for game larger than deer.
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The 150 scenars in .284 will give the 6.5 CM a good fight, no?
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7mm-08 started out with factory ammo that sucked. WTG Remington. The CM didn't.
Now the 7mm-08 has some great factory ammo.
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What Brad said, plus what Puddle just posted.
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The biggest factors haven't been mentioned. Those are the 6.5 creeddmooe was very well marketed and it came about when the internet was mature enough to take advantage of online forums and campaigns. That's a big deal.
Personally I don't have any use for the 6.5 creed. Not to say it's bad or worthless but I just don't own one because I already have an 308win, 30-06, and a 270win. But still it's nice to see the 6.5 become very popular and widespread commercial success. That's a bonus for everyone whether you like the manbun or not.
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Because people are coming out of the closet, the 7/08 is less gay.
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Because people are coming out of the closet, the 7/08 is less gay. I thought the 7/08 was pretty dang ghey when it came out and gave it a great big yawn. I've never changed my mind.
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The biggest factors haven't been mentioned. Those are the 6.5 creeddmooe was very well marketed and it came about when the internet was mature enough to take advantage of online forums and campaigns. That's a big deal. Maybe, but doesn't account for everything by a long shot....
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Because people are coming out of the closet, the 7/08 is less gay. I thought the 7/08 was pretty dang ghey when it came out and gave it a great big yawn. I've never changed my mind. Lot's of homo-phoebes on this site... never not revealing.
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Because people are coming out of the closet, the 7/08 is less gay. I thought the 7/08 was pretty dang ghey when it came out and gave it a great big yawn. I've never changed my mind. Lot's of homo-phoebes on this site... never not revealing. Whatever man, the cartridge bores the shyt out of me and always has. Plus everybody I've known in the 42 years since it was introduced who held it as a favorite was a great big dorky ass hole so there is that. I'll never own one myself.
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[/quote] Whatever man, the cartridge bores the shyt out of me and always has. Plus everybody I've known in the 42 years since it was introduced who held it as a favorite was a great big dorky ass hole so there's another strike. I'll never own one myself. [/quote]
That's pretty impressive....
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Damn... My wife is right... I am a dorky a-hole!
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The biggest factors haven't been mentioned. Those are the 6.5 creeddmooe was very well marketed and it came about when the internet was mature enough to take advantage of online forums and campaigns. That's a big deal. Actually, the 6.5 Creedmoor did NOT get promoted much in 2007, when it appeared, in mainstream magazines and hunting sites on the Internet, because it was designed as a target round, a relatively specialized market. Instead, it started getting discovered by hunters around 2010, and only after word-of-mouth started getting around did articles and ads specifically directed at hunters start appearing. But yes, the 6.5 CM has gotten better press than the 7mm-08 did at first, for the reasons stated in previous posts. One biggie was that factory ammo was almost always very accurate--and pretty inexpensive. I've fooled with around eight 6.5 Creedmoors, from the cheapest factory rifles to customs costing 10 times as much, and the WORST accuracy from factory was three shots in an inch at 100 yards. Most shot a lot better.
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[/quote] Whatever man, the cartridge bores the shyt out of me and always has. Plus everybody I've known in the 42 years since it was introduced who held it as a favorite was a great big dorky ass hole so there's another strike. I'll never own one myself.
That's pretty impressive.... [/quote] My prejudices for or against certain cartridges are as valid as any of the cutesy sentimental cartridge musings I hear from the loonies here. PS. the .257 Roberts bores the living hell out of me too and I won't ever own one because it carries the same name as a stinky little booger eater from my grade school days named Ronnie Roberts. Can't hear the name without thinking of that gross little dork.
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Blackheart,
Are you trying to replace Llama Bob?
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Because people are coming out of the closet, the 7/08 is less gay. I thought the 7/08 was pretty dang ghey when it came out and gave it a great big yawn. I've never changed my mind. Lot's of homo-phoebes on this site... never not revealing. Whatever man, the cartridge bores the shyt out of me and always has. Plus everybody I've known in the 42 years since it was introduced who held it as a favorite was a great big dorky ass hole so there is that. I'll never own one myself. Maybe it's the people you know, and not the cartridge. Seriously though, I don't own a 6.5 CM, but I thought I read that the big advantage of the 6.5 CM case over the .308 parent case for the .260 Rem was that the CM case had the same volume but was shorter, so long, pointy bullets would fit in a standard short-action mag. box. Or did I just mis-remember that?
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6.5CM: Lighter recoil, finer inherent accuracy, less down-range drift with less recoil, more and better factory ammo, and rifles properly twisted out of the box.
Good summary, although I like the 7mm-08 and personally prefer it over the 6.5 CM for game larger than deer. Plus 1
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