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Just got my 20G Federal TSS #7 delievered today. Thanks FedEx, for working on Sundays. Yay for me.
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Nice. Please share pattern results.
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I may not be smart but I can lift heavy objects
I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
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Haven't shot it yet. My club's outdoor range was closed yesterday due to snow and I couldn't go today. But as soon as I do, I'll post it. I got some Winchester XX 20G 3" #5, too. I want to pattern the TSS #9 and #7 and XX #5 at 40 yards out of the same choke. Likely next weekend if weather permits.
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A projectile carries energy based on weight and velocity...a #4 carries way more energy than a smaller lighter weight TSS pellet.
TSS can't be pushed to the velocity lead can because of pressures caused because it doesn't give any.
There's a thing called energy transfer...
The TSS depends not on energy transfer but on the hope that it will poke a bunch of small holes in something vital.
Most any choke will shoot a bunch of small pellets. Usually not so with the bigger shot unless it's coming out of a Winchester Longbeard.
Federal ammo and all the others ammo companies are sucking hind teet with the bigger shot loads coming from Winchester...that's why they're pushing the small shot...pretty easy to see if you've been watching.
The shot lock technology in Winchester Longbeards makes most any choke/gun combination look pretty good.
Tell me what I posted that is not fact. Your very first statement is factually incorrect. Kinetic energy is based on mass and velocity. Weight is not mass, it's only part of mass. Mass a function of weight and volume. A small denser object can have the same mass as a larger less dense object. A smaller denser object can also have more mass than a larger less dense object. So if the very first assertion is factually incorrect, why go on reading the rest of your "facts?" One minute you're down on the guy claiming deer kills with #4 TSS now it seems you're saying #9 TSS is like a black hole....hard to defend both pieces of a rotten pie. Here's a definition of Kenetic energy I Googled up quote: "Kinetic energy is a form of energy that an object or a particle has by reason of its motion. If work, which transfers energy, is done on an object by applying a net force, the object speeds up and thereby gains kinetic energy." Fact....once TSS exits the muzzle it ain't getting any faster.
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Given the same muzzle velocity and resistance, a smaller but denser pellet is not slowing as quickly as a larger pellet with less density, either.
"One minute you're down on the guy claiming deer kills with #4 TSS now it seems you're saying #9 TSS is like a black hole....hard to defend both pieces of a rotten pie."
Didn't say that anywhere. Physics is physics and as far as I know neither lead nor TSS defy the laws of such.
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Well I will agree with you one thing, TSS does not speed up once it leaves the barrel, but then again neither does lead.
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But the heavier projectile retains velocity longer and retains more energy.
Case in point it takes 3+ #9 tss pellets to weigh as much as 1 copper lead #4.
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So why are you using copper plated #4, why not use plain old lead #4, I will bet it is to increase penetration. Once again, redneck ballistic gel of roofing tin, shoot it with lead #4 and TSS #9 and tell me what happens. I have told you what happens but I guess you don't believe me. Try it for yourself and see first hand what the outcome is.
Don't read it, don't do the "I think," I feel" crap see it for yourself first hand.
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I don't hunt turkeys wearing roofing tin jackets....
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But the heavier projectile retains velocity longer and retains more energy.
Not necessarily. There's other factors at play other than weight. Mass and velocity is key. Since we're talking spheres, projectile shape is moot. When it comes to spheres, and given the same initial velocity, and the same resistances, the sphere with more mass will retain it's momentum longer. Again, weight is only part of mass. Mass is a function of weight and volume. All this is beside the point. Pullit is right. It's a long decided issue. If you don't want to believe it, don't. But people that use TSS confirm what physics tells us.
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But the heavier projectile retains velocity longer and retains more energy.
Not necessarily. There's other factors at play other than weight. Mass and velocity is key. Since we're talking spheres, projectile shape is moot. When it comes to spheres, and given the same initial velocity, and the same resistances, the sphere with more mass will retain it's momentum longer. Again, weight is only part of mass. Mass is a function of weight and volume. All this is beside the point. Pullit is right. It's a long decided issue. If you don't want to believe it, don't. But people that use TSS confirm what physics tells us. Those little pellets are still subject to the laws of physics. I recall this from your last physics lesson....
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Write it down since you don't seem to be remembering it.
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Food for thought....
Ever notice how guys the that shoot TSS all the sudden become Rocket Scientist and Physic prOfessors ?
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I don't know about the rest of the guys but I am a Rocket Surgeon.
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My degree is in common sense that's why I don't shoot fAiry dust sized shot a turkeys
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This has been a useful thread. Despite his best effort and flawed physics theories, LFC gave precisely zero sound reason not to try TSS. On the contrary, Dean and Pullit supplied reasoned, sound data and first hand accounts. I've now accumulated 4 boxes of 20g TSS #9 shells and 2 boxes of TSS #7 shells. Weather permitting, I'll try them out of Tinkerbell this weekend.
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If you can, please post results. I'm waiting for better weather to shoot through the Indian Creek I just picked up and for the first time, will be shooting at reactive targets, not my old job blueprints. Also received notification that I drew my area for spring turkey in Wisconsin.
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I have my shotgun that I have hunted with for years and already have the choke and shell recipe for it but I put a new red dot on it and need to sight it in. When I do, I will try and post some pictures of it as well.
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