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This will not be another Afghanistan for either us or Russia. That being said, How's this going to end ?
I'm going to say this will get very bloody very fast, the current leaders will be sought out and shot for treason without trials or interference from the west, balless Joe Biden will be told to sit the F~ck down and shut the F~ck up, the time for talking has long past, and if any one believes those scary old sanctions will cause Putin to rethink about his breakfast plans are just plain wrong.
Do the Ukrainians have the balls to fight or will they go along with the rest of those we have freed and go back to goat F~cking and bug eating ?
Do these people have both the heart and the hatred of Russia to fight for their own rights and way of life or is the corruption so wide spread that the undesirables will just be eliminated ?
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I don't think Putin will use nukes, he knows the cost of the clean up after the Chernobyl fiasco, this is going to get ugly real fast .
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IMO - my concern is China - do they see us doing nothing and move in the Pacific? That is MUCH closer to home and a much easier sell on affecting US interests. Do you embolden China by NOT getting involved in the Ukraine. Then again, Ukrainian involvement means you're stretched to get involved with China if need be too.
I think you tell China - we're sitting out Europe so we can focus on PacRim issues and WILL go full tilt there.
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What Teal said. Ukraine will get an epic ass whoopin'. Vlad will impale her.
I am..........disturbed.
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It ends in a day or two and with Russia in control of whatever it wants. But they only want those two eastern provinces.
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I don't think Putin will use nukes, he knows the cost of the clean up after the Chernobyl fiasco, this is going to get ugly real fast . Low yield battlefield air burst nukes have much less fall out. They have a much larger stockpile than the US of these types of weapons. It was difference in strategic choices. I think the idea is the us of a battlefield nuke would put your opponent in a very difficult situation. Do you go full MAD(Mutual Assured Destruction) or just suffer the losses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weaponChernobyl was so dirty because is smoldered for ever and the smoke was highly contaminated. Nuke strategy and tactics are new and untried just as Blitzkrieg was new and untried.
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It ends in a day or two and with Russia in control of whatever it wants. But they only want those two eastern provinces. They already hod those provinces for all intents and purposes. I don't know how it ends TBH.
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It ends in a day or two and with Russia in control of whatever it wants. But they only want those two eastern provinces. You really believe that?
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IMO - my concern is China - do they see us doing nothing and move in the Pacific? That is MUCH closer to home and a much easier sell on affecting US interests. Do you embolden China by NOT getting involved in the Ukraine. Then again, Ukrainian involvement means you're stretched to get involved with China if need be too.
I think you tell China - we're sitting out Europe so we can focus on PacRim issues and WILL go full tilt there. Putin met with Pakistan and China all within the last month. India hates Pakistan and China. Something is setting up, perhaps.
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Russia will still be,,,,,, Russia.
And China will be ,,, well bigger than it is now.
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IMO - my concern is China - do they see us doing nothing and move in the Pacific? That is MUCH closer to home and a much easier sell on affecting US interests. Do you embolden China by NOT getting involved in the Ukraine. Then again, Ukrainian involvement means you're stretched to get involved with China if need be too.
I think you tell China - we're sitting out Europe so we can focus on PacRim issues and WILL go full tilt there. Nobody is going to stop any aggression. The allies have nothing but limp wristed puzzies who are incapable of any type of statesmanship, or handling any type of crisis situation. Nothing but emotion driven idiots. Our leaders lead the pack in limp wristed puzzies.
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Putin has already said he wants the old Soviet Union put back together. Ukraine was part of that as well as the old "stan" countries in central Asia. He is very mad about letting Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania into NATO. Also Poland, Czech Republic, Slovokia, Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary which once were part of the Soviet sphere of influence and were communist puppet countries.
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Ends with Russia in full control of the Ukraine. I will be surprised if there is much resistance. I’m hoping we keep our people out of it. My disabled EOD friend friends still in are in Europe. They were calling him from Eastern Europe for the last couple of weeks but they went silent this week. The Russians aren’t dune coons !
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Putin has no need to use nukes to win as much as he wants. He doesn't care how many Russian soldiers or Ukrainians die. He'll get the territory he wants.
And then Biden will claim victory.
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I can't see where anyone would have expected a different outcome to all this
Those that have been speaking of it were called alarmists, tin hats, survivalists, etc., but here it is
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It ends in a day or two and with Russia in control of whatever it wants. But they only want those two eastern provinces. You really believe that? Why wouldn’t I? And while would I care what they want? I don’t give a damn.
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IMO - my concern is China - do they see us doing nothing and move in the Pacific? That is MUCH closer to home and a much easier sell on affecting US interests. Do you embolden China by NOT getting involved in the Ukraine. Then again, Ukrainian involvement means you're stretched to get involved with China if need be too.
I think you tell China - we're sitting out Europe so we can focus on PacRim issues and WILL go full tilt there. As has been stated Putin will take whatever he wants of Ukraine. Any sanctions will end up hurting us as bad as them and will have no real effect. I am with you and the upcoming showdown with China is the one that really concerns me. I agree we should be sending the message to China that we are serious about dealing with them. , I just don’t think this administration has the reputation or the ability to get that message across. A confrontation there seems almost inevitable now given the stumbling foreign policy decisions of this administration.
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