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Originally Posted by Slavek
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Ironically, 80 years ago we fought against Germany who attacked Russia, and Japan who attacked China. Perhaps we fought on the wrong side...


Wrong, Americans created an empire that lasts to this day.



In the scale of empires, 70 to 80 years ain’t much of an accomplishment. More like a fart in the wind.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Have the Poles modernized? When Hitler invaded them, they tried to hold off the tanks with horse mounted cavalry.


The Polish government at the time acted stupidly. They should have joined Czechoslovakia with backing of the French and attacked Germany. Instead they did nothing when Hitler took Austria and Czechoslovakia. When everyone assumed the Poles were allies of Germany they came crawling to French and British for help (one hiding behind Maginot line and other a sea power). After Hitler took Czechoslovakia had enough military hardware to strike the poles from three sides. Current Polish government is repeating mistakes from the past.

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anyone read Putin's address which he made yesterday? interesting.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Ironically, 80 years ago we fought against Germany who attacked Russia, and Japan who attacked China. Perhaps we fought on the wrong side...


Wrong, Americans created an empire that lasts to this day.



In the scale of empires, 70 to 80 years ain’t much of an accomplishment. More like a fart in the wind.


Exactly. And look at what Russia and China are up to today...

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So, when does NATO invade the western half of Ukraine to “protect it from Russian aggression”?

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Kerry is worried how this might fug up his grift.

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Originally Posted by Slavek
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Ironically, 80 years ago we fought against Germany who attacked Russia, and Japan who attacked China. Perhaps we fought on the wrong side...


Wrong, Americans created an empire that lasts to this day.



Well, actually the burden of empire was more or less handed off to us by the Brits about 60 years ago when they became too broke to maintain it. It should have died after WW II, but we couldn't help ourselves. Must be part of our Brit-spawned DNA.


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Kerry is worried how this might fug up his grift.

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Wow. Unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by stevelyn
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Ironically, 80 years ago we fought against Germany who attacked Russia, and Japan who attacked China. Perhaps we fought on the wrong side...


Wrong, Americans created an empire that lasts to this day.



Well, actually the burden of empire was more or less handed off to us by the Brits about 60 years ago when they became too broke to maintain it. It should have died after WW II, but we couldn't help ourselves. Must be part of our Brit-spawned DNA.


The American Empire has been disassembled by the globalists. America now lacks a manufacturing base which could be utilized to fight a global war.

Now, the globalists are attempting to ignite a global war which would cause the destruction of America.

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Originally Posted by Steve
Kerry is worried how this might fug up his grift.

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That Leftist self importance defined there.

Fuggin' idiots all.

Stolen elections have consequences.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe


The American Empire has been disassembled by the globalists. America now lacks a manufacturing base which could be utilized to fight a global war.

Now, the globalists are attempting to ignite a global war which would cause the destruction of America.


We can't even get our own pickups off the assy line now.


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As long as Russians keep thugs like Putin in power, it will never end. This is why we need to stay out.

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The American Empire has been disassembled by the globalists. America now lacks a manufacturing base which could be utilized to fight a global war.

Now, the globalists are attempting to ignite a global war which would cause the destruction of America.


We can't even get our own pickups off the assy line now.

It’s a damned shame, no?

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Slow Joe and the G7 "leaders" are having a virtual meeting, so I'm guessing surrender is close !


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Nothing makes the world more dangerous than having a corrupt, feckless, senile old fart in charge of the most powerful ( for the time being) nation .

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Originally Posted by Bristoe


Now, the globalists are attempting to ignite a global war which would cause the destruction of America.


I think we’re operating on inertia which is quickly waning; we already are destroyed it just hasn’t been fully realized yet.

On the other hand, that Turley piece that stevelyn posted above presents a viewpoint with more potential for optimism. It’s well worth watching.

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Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
Ironically, 80 years ago we fought against Germany who attacked Russia, and Japan who attacked China. Perhaps we fought on the wrong side...


Indeed.


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There is a better chance of Poland invading Russia than Russia invading Poland. Poland would love to have back the western half of Ukraine which was Poland up until the end of WW II when Stalin basically picked up Poland and set it down 100 miles west of where it always had been.


The Poles have most pro American ruling elite class in Central/Eastern Europe. Where does one start? They are the reason Russians had to construct Baltic Pipeline because the Poles would not agree to pipeline through their territory. They have backed opposition government in Belorussia. They will now become to Americans and the British what Pakistan was to Taliban. I do not see how Russian Federation can tolerate this. The only way the Poles could get land back east of Curzon Line is by cooperating and helping the Russian Federation. One must remember the reason current western border is on the Oder river was because Josef Stalin wanted to move German border further west from Russia. The Americans wanted Poland to have pre World War II border with Germany.


Poland should worry as much looking immediately to their west as they should to the east.


Blocking the Russian pipeline was serious mistake. Russians offered to build it at their own cost plus pay Poles over billion dollars per year for it existance, not to mention affordable energy source. The Poles would be much better off if they cooperated and traded with Russian Federation and Germany. They would not be in danger of annihilation now.


Poles are in no danger of annihilation. Russia may be able to beat Ukraine about the head, but they don;t have the numbers much beyond that. End state likely to be "independent" Donbass and pro-Russian Ukranian gov't tied tightly to Russia in every way.


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Originally Posted by Slavek
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Ironically, 80 years ago we fought against Germany who attacked Russia, and Japan who attacked China. Perhaps we fought on the wrong side...


Wrong, Americans created an empire that lasts to this day.


That empire was christened in 1865, not 1945.

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Have the Poles modernized? When Hitler invaded them, they tried to hold off the tanks with horse mounted cavalry.


1. True, the Poles had actual cavalry units at the outset of WW2. So did USSR and IIRC, did Germany.

2. EVERY combatant except the Americans, relied on horse-drawn logistics for the last link of the supply chain to the troops. ALL of them. And the USSR could not have fought WW2 without American trucks.

3. People forget that a Germany vs Poland match-up was not considered a shoo-in for Germany. A quick and dirty list of wars/conflicts Poland participated in between 1900 and 1939:

1905 Polish revolution squashed by Imperial Russia L
1914-1918 WWI, Poland emerged a polity partly due to their own devices. W
1918-1919-ish Poles fought Imperial Germany, Wiemar Germany, Czechoslovakia, Ukrainian Commies/Bolshies with the following record: W, D, L, W
1919-1921: Poland beats back various Soviet armies and beats the Red Army on the Vistula, stopping Soviet incursion into central Europe butt-cold. Poland thumps on Lithuania BIG W
1938 Poland wins the rematch with Czechoslovakia W


In 1939 Poland was coming off a big win vs Czechoslovakia, which was not backwards, industrially. And the Czechs had good armaments to the point the Germans used Czech tanks in the blitz vs France later.

Poland suffered from its perennial weakness: abso-freaking-lutely awful leadership (aristocracy, dictator, or otherwise). Pig-headed, foolish, and belligerent, Poland's leadership walked them into a calamity with the urging of the UK and France.


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Garry Kasparov on what the west should do.

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