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An objective assessment of the current state and form of Russian society would be very useful to these conversations. If anyone can point me to a few credible analyses, I'd be grateful.

Don't mistake my criticism of the form of your argument as a personal attack. I think you have a valuable perspective, but can't see it unless you state it in such a way as one doesn't need to fill in the blanks.

I'm amazed at all the experts (aka conspiracy theorists) that we have on here.

The David Stockman piece linked above is a great start of an investigation to the facts.
It's not hard to find more regarding how this situation is being portrayed by big media, and who is behind the major players.

Russia today is not the USSR of our parent's and grandparent's era. Would take more than a semester of university level study and research to understand the changes fully.

First of all, anti-trust is a socialist construct.

Second of all, you've provided no compelling argument that you have a right to others' platform.

IIRC the US companies colluded to block Trump and the other conservatives from speaking to the folks while operating under laws protecting them from liability as news agencies while they became leftists advertisers.

Hate to tell some of you this but COLLUDING with foreigners to destroy a POTUS OR to overthrow a Federal Election is Subversion and in a time of declared war and declared State of National Emergency, treason.

(That's why Q said they are going down. Glad bought short positions in that and FB and Twitter. Also bought shorts in Pharma and Banks and bought mining stocks.)

This is why Trump declared the US to be in a State of Emergency every year. He also reiterated the punishment for people or groups of people who do such while conspiring with foreign agents can have their assets seized by the govt. Trump also reminded them in a statement saying the same in the spring of 2017. The MSM chose to ignore him, being owned by the Bolsheviks, who thought their plan to destroy Trump would prevail. They were wrong.

(I expect FB and Twitter to go under or be converted into public utilities as Q predicted.)

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And those people making such arguments are useful idiots who are the product of Russian propaganda. I'm sure threatening to NUKE Finland and Sweden is also to "save" them. Putin doesn't want to destroy all infrastructure because he can't afford (financially or politically) to replace it when he accomplishes his ultimate goal of governing, by direct rule or by proxy, the country.

No it is not.You don't understand the capitalist system.

I take it you've not read much Adam Smith.

I’ve spent practically my entire adult life training, or training other aviators, to go up against the forces of the “Great Bear.” Meaning the government and its military. There’s no effin way I’m going to support any Russian or Chinese aggression, in any way or form. No way.

The Ukraine government and hierarchy are no more corrupt than our own government and politicians but that doesn’t mean the entire populace of either country is corrupt. All the mothers and babies, grandmas and grandpas fleeing for their lives aren’t part of any corruption that has been associated with Ukraine. They’re like the rest of us….minding their own business, just wanting to be left alone and living their lives the way they want. They don’t deserve what Putin is inflicting on them.

Putin’s indiscriminate rocket attacks and bombardment of rows of apartment buildings and other purely civilian areas are aimed at infrastructure, probably in an attempt to make the areas east of Kiev unlivable and drive out all the Ukraines and reclaim those areas with Russians. Most of the fighting is going on east of Kiev and the Dnieper River it looks like, at least for now, that’s what Putin is trying to annex.

A “no fly zone” is probably not in the cards, at least as we think of it. Early on, giving Ukraine some Soviet block aircraft from some of the NATO countries was discussed but that was squashed. There have been a couple of clips of Russian aircraft being shot down this morning so maybe the Stingers are making their way to the battlefield.

Putin has also figured out the magic bullet when dealing with the West. When he reminded the world that he has nukes, everyone went “whoa” this could start a nuclear war. It’s not as if Putin just got the damn things. Just like us, he’s had them for decades but all he had to do was bring it up in conversation and it’s, “time out” let’s think this over for a few weeks.

He now knows what he has to do if the West gets involved or tightens the screws too much. “Don’t forget, I have nukes”.

I guess CNN decided they better not ignore Putin as they did Trump and decided if they couldnt spread their lying BS there as they have so far gotten away with here, they best pull stakes and haul ass. Tff.



I expect this guy is more truthful than our MSM

We know who the idiot is here, Twirler.

Putin will destroy the puppet government. Russia has demonstrated their ability to crush holdouts.
The cry for UN support by Kyiv may go unanswered, as a major escalation would result.
Putin has not pressed the accelerator yet.

Watch the oil markets. Russia is making bank due to Biden's moves here in the US.
Sanctions?

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-oil-gas-revenue-windfall-2022-01-21/

I live a life and form opinions based on my experience not one that searches answers through interpretations of others.

As a country we’ve walked around the earth slapping our dicks in the faces of everyone we pleased and daring them to do something about it. We’ve bombed who we liked, invaded when we liked. We’ve killed countless civilians and caused infinite heartache and pain in places like Serbia and Iraq. How anyone could cheer for us and condemn Putin is mind boggling.

For my part, Putin is already more justified in what he is doing than anything we’ve done in my lifetime. Ukraine is on his border, in his backyard. By that fact alone, he is potentially as justified as we would be if we decided to clean out the cartels in Mexico. I hope he kills every damned criminal in that government, Fuq it. I just don’t care and the more that certain people over here bleat about it, the more certain I am that he is in the right because these people bleating about are spiritually incapable of being on the side of right and truth.

You took your lips off Q's cock and that's all you had to say? I guess you wanted to get right back to it.

I can accept that.

And I see the propaganda worked on you.

That’s the best you’ve got. How about an explanation of why we are morally superior to Putin?

First, tell me how the US being wrong in the past justifies Putin's actions?