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Putin drew a line in the sand, a hard red line and back in 20 14 and again in 2019 saying NO NATO or else,, this is his or else,, Ukraine has NOBODY to blame,, their gov is lockstep corrupt corcksuckers and should swing from a bridge as should alot of others including but not limited to some of ours, At least he has the knockers to stand by his word that He would not accept Nato next to his borders,, Nato has been boxing russia in every few years by moving their line closer,, And ALL Nato is,is a group of Goverments combining together to form 1 more corrupt bully goverment to strong arm lesser nations, FuQ Ukraine and you too twerler,,dipshits like you give us missourians an bad name,,Go get fuQed and eat fish heads Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. "Twerler" real mature. Rather than engage civilly, you pull this childish. Rather easy answer..................underground biolabs. Oh, and a faction of your DoD had a hand in those labs. Now they're pissed because Putin destroyed them.
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Orein Samuelson even supports Ukraine……..
The voice of Agrculture……..
I talked to some Polish School teachers a few years back in Sweden
I quote one now
“ American President…..they come they go…..
But Trump…..
That one got balls…..”
Let’s be real …..
He has 4 years at best…..
This conflict gives us opportunities that will last generations Sorry, but Trump gets 10.  Q tell you that? Keep on dreaming. Jag, You've hit a nerve. LOL Not really, but it takes a Q-tard to think that somehow an ex-president will have ten years. Do you actually believe that? It would explain a lot about you. Don't worry, the Easter bunny will come see you soon.
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Putin drew a line in the sand, a hard red line and back in 20 14 and again in 2019 saying NO NATO or else,, this is his or else,, Ukraine has NOBODY to blame,, their gov is lockstep corrupt corcksuckers and should swing from a bridge as should alot of others including but not limited to some of ours, At least he has the knockers to stand by his word that He would not accept Nato next to his borders,, Nato has been boxing russia in every few years by moving their line closer,, And ALL Nato is,is a group of Goverments combining together to form 1 more corrupt bully goverment to strong arm lesser nations, FuQ Ukraine and you too twerler,,dipshits like you give us missourians an bad name,,Go get fuQed and eat fish heads Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. "Twerler" real mature. Rather than engage civilly, you pull this childish. Rather easy answer..................underground biolabs. Oh, and a faction of your DoD had a hand in those labs. Now they're pissed because Putin destroyed them. An existence of biolabs, which you can't confirm had a weapons program, gives Russia the right to invade another country? Lots of hoops there. Why didn't Putin already invade China? I guess we should invade Russia because of their biolabs.
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Putin drew a line in the sand, a hard red line and back in 20 14 and again in 2019 saying NO NATO or else,, this is his or else,, Ukraine has NOBODY to blame,, their gov is lockstep corrupt corcksuckers and should swing from a bridge as should alot of others including but not limited to some of ours, At least he has the knockers to stand by his word that He would not accept Nato next to his borders,, Nato has been boxing russia in every few years by moving their line closer,, And ALL Nato is,is a group of Goverments combining together to form 1 more corrupt bully goverment to strong arm lesser nations, FuQ Ukraine and you too twerler,,dipshits like you give us missourians an bad name,,Go get fuQed and eat fish heads Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. "Twerler" real mature. Rather than engage civilly, you pull this childish. Large, powerful countries influence their smaller, weaker neighbors all of the time. The US does it too - Monroe Doctrine, Cuban Missile Crisis, Granada, Nordstream, etc, etc. We took NATO expansion one step too far and Ukraine is paying for it.
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Putin drew a line in the sand, a hard red line and back in 20 14 and again in 2019 saying NO NATO or else,, this is his or else,, Ukraine has NOBODY to blame,, their gov is lockstep corrupt corcksuckers and should swing from a bridge as should alot of others including but not limited to some of ours, At least he has the knockers to stand by his word that He would not accept Nato next to his borders,, Nato has been boxing russia in every few years by moving their line closer,, And ALL Nato is,is a group of Goverments combining together to form 1 more corrupt bully goverment to strong arm lesser nations, FuQ Ukraine and you too twerler,,dipshits like you give us missourians an bad name,,Go get fuQed and eat fish heads Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. "Twerler" real mature. Rather than engage civilly, you pull this childish. Large, powerful countries influence their smaller, weaker neighbors all of the time. The US does it too - Monroe Doctrine, Cuban Missile Crisis, Granada, Nordstream, etc, etc. We took NATO expansion one step too far and Ukraine is paying for it. Influence isn't the same as invade. Also, I can't seem to confirm that Ukraine was even up for a vote for NATO membership. Regardless of why Putin (we shouldn't say Russia because Russia seems to be against it) wants to invade, that doesn't give him a moral footing to do so. Putin is WRONG.
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Looking at images of the Ukraine during this war I find it a beautiful place.When in college I took a course of the Geography of the Ukraine just because I needed a credit and didn't know what to choose.I remember our teacher speaking highly of the Ukraine in terms of its rich soil and wheat producing.
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ITT we learn that because Russia is bigger and stronger its neighbors have no right to self determination, no right to enter into voluntary agreements with the countries _their_ citizens choose (as opposed to what Putin allows). LOL clown shoes.
Sometimes right and wrong really is this clear: When you invade a country, start a war without first being attacked yourself, murder and displace thousands of civilians, you are an A$$hole of the highest order. Reaction by others who don't appreciate you starting wars is to be expected.
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It really is that simple. Lol No, it really is not.
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Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. An existence of biolabs, which you can't confirm had a weapons program, gives Russia the right to invade another country? Lots of hoops there. Why didn't Putin already invade China? I guess we should invade Russia because of their biolabs.
OK, if we stipulate that the Russian government is bad, is expansionist, is killing civilians, and all other sorts of bad things why is it our business if they are not bothering us? May we also stipulate that the Ukraine government is not so innocent either? May we also stipulate that while both sides are bad that Russia does have a point with not wanting de-facto NATO on his border? Russian paranoia is not irrational considering history. Not taking up for Putin or Russia, just saying it is not our problem and we need to get out of NATO now.
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ITT we learn that because Russia is bigger and stronger its neighbors have no right to self determination, no right to enter into voluntary agreements with the countries _their_ citizens choose (as opposed to what Putin allows). LOL clown shoes.
Sometimes right and wrong really is this clear: When you invade a country, start a war without first being attacked yourself, murder and displace thousands of civilians, you are an A$$hole of the highest order. Reaction by others who don't appreciate you starting wars is to be expected.
Do you think the U.S.would be justified in invading Russia to end this war?
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Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. An existence of biolabs, which you can't confirm had a weapons program, gives Russia the right to invade another country? Lots of hoops there. Why didn't Putin already invade China? I guess we should invade Russia because of their biolabs.
OK, if we stipulate that the Russian government is bad, is expansionist, is killing civilians, and all other sorts of bad things why is it our business if they are not bothering us? May we also stipulate that the Ukraine government is not so innocent either? May we also stipulate that while both sides are bad that Russia does have a point with not wanting de-facto NATO on his border? Russian paranoia is not irrational considering history. Not taking up for Putin or Russia, just saying it is not our problem and we need to get out of NATO now. You can call Ukraine corrupt, which its government is, why is that the business of Russia? Pootie can not want NATO on his border, but that does not give him authority to invade. Why is Ukraine our problem? I haven't advocated going to war, but supporting Ukraine because it is the right thing to do especially considering the US and Russia GUARANTEED Ukraine's security after their nuclear disarmament. The ideal situation would be that we didn't push for their nuclear disarmament in the 1990s. Putin wouldn't invade a nuclear nation, well, because they would use nukes to ensure their survival.
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It really is that simple. Lol No, it really is not. LOL you're someone to LOL at.
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ITT we learn that because Russia is bigger and stronger its neighbors have no right to self determination, no right to enter into voluntary agreements with the countries _their_ citizens choose (as opposed to what Putin allows). LOL clown shoes.
Sometimes right and wrong really is this clear: When you invade a country, start a war without first being attacked yourself, murder and displace thousands of civilians, you are an A$$hole of the highest order. Reaction by others who don't appreciate you starting wars is to be expected.
Do you think the U.S.would be justified in invading Russia to end this war? No. So what? We would be perfectly well justified in any action up to and including removal of Russians by force if invited to do so by Ukraine. Defense of others is a perfectly straightforward moral concept. Not that I think we _should_. That is entirely separate. "We don't do business with people who invade and murder others" surely seems reasonable to me. "We will sell you weapons to help you defend yourself if attacked without justification" also seems obviously reasonable.
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Aside from getting riled up and pontificating there isn't much any of us can do besides watch. None of us have any real influence or control over these events. I prefer to tune out the media go about living my life as best I can while I'm still "free".
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Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. An existence of biolabs, which you can't confirm had a weapons program, gives Russia the right to invade another country? Lots of hoops there. Why didn't Putin already invade China? I guess we should invade Russia because of their biolabs.
OK, if we stipulate that the Russian government is bad, is expansionist, is killing civilians, and all other sorts of bad things why is it our business if they are not bothering us? May we also stipulate that the Ukraine government is not so innocent either? May we also stipulate that while both sides are bad that Russia does have a point with not wanting de-facto NATO on his border? Russian paranoia is not irrational considering history. Not taking up for Putin or Russia, just saying it is not our problem and we need to get out of NATO now. You can call Ukraine corrupt, which its government is, why is that the business of Russia? Pootie can not want NATO on his border, but that does not give him authority to invade. Why is Ukraine our problem? I haven't advocated going to war, but supporting Ukraine because it is the right thing to do especially considering the US and Russia GUARANTEED Ukraine's security after their nuclear disarmament. The ideal situation would be that we didn't push for their nuclear disarmament in the 1990s. Putin wouldn't invade a nuclear nation, well, because they would use nukes to ensure their survival. Sanctions and blockades on trade are an act of war and certainly lead to hot war if the blockaded nation becomes desperate. Look at the desperate act by Japan in 1941 in response to being sanctioned and blockaded from trade. This isn't our problem if we just stay the hell out of Europe's affairs. Including to stay out of NATO. What do we the USA have to gain by war with Russia over the equally corrupt country of Ukraine.
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Putin drew a line in the sand, a hard red line and back in 20 14 and again in 2019 saying NO NATO or else,, this is his or else,, Ukraine has NOBODY to blame,, their gov is lockstep corrupt corcksuckers and should swing from a bridge as should alot of others including but not limited to some of ours, At least he has the knockers to stand by his word that He would not accept Nato next to his borders,, Nato has been boxing russia in every few years by moving their line closer,, And ALL Nato is,is a group of Goverments combining together to form 1 more corrupt bully goverment to strong arm lesser nations, FuQ Ukraine and you too twerler,,dipshits like you give us missourians an bad name,,Go get fuQed and eat fish heads Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. "Twerler" real mature. Rather than engage civilly, you pull this childish. Large, powerful countries influence their smaller, weaker neighbors all of the time. The US does it too - Monroe Doctrine, Cuban Missile Crisis, Granada, Nordstream, etc, etc. We took NATO expansion one step too far and Ukraine is paying for it. Influence isn't the same as invade. Also, I can't seem to confirm that Ukraine was even up for a vote for NATO membership. Regardless of why Putin (we shouldn't say Russia because Russia seems to be against it) wants to invade, that doesn't give him a moral footing to do so. Putin is WRONG. I guess you're two stupid to realize the real commies in this are your corksucking NWO scum buds in our govt who were acting contrary to our interests by building Bioweapons labs in Ukraine and sending in US offensive weapons to take down a non communist Russia to advance the one world govt POS traitors like you and your buds, Kilery, Bidet and Zero support. No telling how much they got paid to sell our country and constitution out. How much did you sell out for?
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Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. An existence of biolabs, which you can't confirm had a weapons program, gives Russia the right to invade another country? Lots of hoops there. Why didn't Putin already invade China? I guess we should invade Russia because of their biolabs.
OK, if we stipulate that the Russian government is bad, is expansionist, is killing civilians, and all other sorts of bad things why is it our business if they are not bothering us? May we also stipulate that the Ukraine government is not so innocent either? May we also stipulate that while both sides are bad that Russia does have a point with not wanting de-facto NATO on his border? Russian paranoia is not irrational considering history. Not taking up for Putin or Russia, just saying it is not our problem and we need to get out of NATO now. You can call Ukraine corrupt, which its government is, why is that the business of Russia? Pootie can not want NATO on his border, but that does not give him authority to invade. Why is Ukraine our problem? I haven't advocated going to war, but supporting Ukraine because it is the right thing to do especially considering the US and Russia GUARANTEED Ukraine's security after their nuclear disarmament. The ideal situation would be that we didn't push for their nuclear disarmament in the 1990s. Putin wouldn't invade a nuclear nation, well, because they would use nukes to ensure their survival. Sanctions and blockades on trade are an act of war and certainly lead to hot war if the blockaded nation becomes desperate. Look at the desperate act by Japan in 1941 in response to being sanctioned and blockaded from trade. This isn't our problem if we just stay the hell out of Europe's affairs. Including to stay out of NATO. What do we the USA have to gain by war with Russia over the equally corrupt country of Ukraine. Not doing business with somebody is NOT an act of war. Trade is and always should be voluntary between nations. The only country being blockaded is Ukraine. The defense of others is moral and the right thing to do, even if it is through economic sanctions and supplies. Whether or not we should be involved in Europe is another thing, and if we did not in the future, it doesn't change existing promises. But you know what? Its a good thing we got involved in the 1940s....
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Putin drew a line in the sand, a hard red line and back in 20 14 and again in 2019 saying NO NATO or else,, this is his or else,, Ukraine has NOBODY to blame,, their gov is lockstep corrupt corcksuckers and should swing from a bridge as should alot of others including but not limited to some of ours, At least he has the knockers to stand by his word that He would not accept Nato next to his borders,, Nato has been boxing russia in every few years by moving their line closer,, And ALL Nato is,is a group of Goverments combining together to form 1 more corrupt bully goverment to strong arm lesser nations, FuQ Ukraine and you too twerler,,dipshits like you give us missourians an bad name,,Go get fuQed and eat fish heads Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda. "Twerler" real mature. Rather than engage civilly, you pull this childish. Large, powerful countries influence their smaller, weaker neighbors all of the time. The US does it too - Monroe Doctrine, Cuban Missile Crisis, Granada, Nordstream, etc, etc. We took NATO expansion one step too far and Ukraine is paying for it. Influence isn't the same as invade. Also, I can't seem to confirm that Ukraine was even up for a vote for NATO membership. Regardless of why Putin (we shouldn't say Russia because Russia seems to be against it) wants to invade, that doesn't give him a moral footing to do so. Putin is WRONG. I guess you're two stupid to realize the real commies in this are your corksucking NWO scum buds in our govt who were acting contrary to our interests by building Bioweapons labs in Ukraine and sending in US offensive weapons to take down a non communist Russia to advance the one world govt POS traitors like you and your buds, Kilery, Bidet and Zero support. No telling how much they got paid to sell our country and constitution out. How much did you sell out for? I see you got your mouth off Q's cock again. Well, nice of you to announce your presence. You can go back to blowing Q again. I'll put you on ignore again.
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How come all you pro Ukraine boys haven’t volunteered??? I read thousands have. Why haven’t you guys that are so passionate about this stepped up???
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