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You really are stupid, aren't you?

For instance, if the owner of this website doesn't like what you say, he can block you without legal ramifications. The first amendment states:


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Please, how is a private company not allowing you a platform somehow "CONGRESS MAKING A LAW abridging the freedom of speech".


You really suck and reading.

actually a private company has no obligation under the first amendment to guarantee free speech.

The First Amendment only protects your speech from government censorship. It applies to federal, state, and local government actors. This is a broad category that includes not only lawmakers and elected officials, but also public schools and universities, courts, and police officers. It does not include private citizens, businesses, and organizations. This means that:

A private school can suspend students for criticizing a school policy;
A private business can fire an employee for expressing political views on the job; and
A private media company can refuse to publish or broadcast opinions it disagrees with.

there are some grey areas - such as social media censoring a politician and your right to access this speech but at the end of the day, they are still a private entity who owns their platform.

Putin and XI have a strategic obligation to kill the Petro Dollar and replace the Dollar as the reserve currency.

Putin wants to regain the staus of the USSR and has written on that strategy he intends to follow.

In my opinion Putins stated goals and strategy is diametrically opposed to the interests of the USA, or more accurately what I think should be the interests of the USA.

Not many simple answers and anyone who thinks they have the perfect solution to the Ukraine doesn't.

Ukraine stopping Putin would seem like the best outcome for the USA. We should have sold them more weapons sooner as they seem to be willing to fight.

I take it you've not read much Adam Smith.

Loosing the dollar is what's at risk when the US pushes all in. The last two decades of US Russian foreign policy too often benefited short term special interests over the interests of American citizens. These policies thrust Russia into China's open arms and are a obvious mistake.

Do you remember, after the Crimean invasion where Putin called for peace and reinforced Ukrainian sovereignty? After the invasion of Crimea:

"We want to be friends with Ukraine and we want Ukraine to be a strong, sovereign and self-sufficient country."

Someone on this thread has moved from annoying and foolish to unhinged.

Loosing the dollar is what's at risk when the US pushes all in. The last two decades of US Russian foreign policy too often benefited short term special interests over the interests of American citizens. These policies thrust Russia into China's open arms and are a obvious mistake.

Libertarian tard-farm idiocy, right there ^^^.

As if there is any difference in outcome between a direct gov't employee suppressing your speech and someone working a gov't contract suppressing your speech.

I take it you not UNDERSTOOD Adam Smith. And take Ricardo at face value.

One thing is for certain, Zelensky and his Ukrainian Oglioarchs, who put him power, will make hundreds of millions once the foreign aid starts pouring in off of this "tragedy" just like in 2014 under Obama. Look how many billions ( Much of it US tax payer dollars ) disappeared from banks controlled by Zelensky's friends over the past 8 years.

Zelensky telling other people to fight and die for Ukraine when he and his buddies never even served in the Ukrainian national army when military service was mandatory. Hmmmm He is such a brave hero


I saw the other day that all trading for Russian stocks was shut down last week. Now at extremely distressed sale prices, Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan are buying Russian bonds hand over fist while other investors are prohibited from trading.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ouncing-on-russia-s-cheap-corporate-debt

Reminds me of when the Soviet Union fell the same billionaire Russian and Ukrainians Oglioarchs,now involved in hedge funds, stole everything they could from collapsed Russian companies like , oil, metals, ag . Basically devaluing everything in the name of a fake war for democracy in Ukraine then jumping in and buying almost bankrupt Russian companies for pennies on the dollar and making billions once again.

Amazing the goobers can't connect the dots.

Yet here you are still asking like anybody cares what you think. You still can't help but just to label people rather than making a coherent argument. You too can go on the ignore list like queeston, dirtynazi, cougartx, and the rest of the Q-tards. Good riddance, cumchamp.

Good for the goose, good for the gander. They do it, I'll do it back. That seems to be the only language some of these cretons understand.

US policy doesn't dictate morality. Again, if you'd like to discuss US policy in handling of Iraq, start a topic on it. This is a topic about whether Putin has moral authority to attack a sovereign nation who hasn't threatened him or attacked him because they don't do what he wants them to do.

How come all you pro Ukraine boys haven’t volunteered??? I read thousands have. Why haven’t you guys that are so passionate about this stepped up???

. There is in fact biolabs on the Ukraine border next to Russia. Those labs will produce the next "panicdemic" and this time they will achieve the death numbers they hoped the Covid one would attain.

How come all you pro Ukraine boys haven’t volunteered??? I read thousands have. Why haven’t you guys that are so passionate about this stepped up???

I think you're confused. Being against foreign nations violating others' sovereignty doesn't make one "Pro-Ukraine", but I have volunteered to do what exactly I think the US position should be. I will not conduct business with Russian firms, I won't invest in Russian firms, and unlike some, I value my commitments and I am under contract which I do not intend to break. I am supporting Ukraine financially to the best of my ability at this moment, and there is a possibility, albeit small, that I could be detailed to provide relief should Uncle Sam determine that is where my skills can be better utilized.

^^^^THIS^^^^

You made the statement, time for you to provide proof that there were indeed biolabs working on biological weapons. No tinfoil hat "proof".

The Russian invasion of Ukraine may put at risk a network of US-linked labs in Ukraine that work with dangerous pathogens, said Robert Pope, the director of the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, a 30-year-old Defense Department program that has helped secure the former Soviet Union’s weapons of mass destruction and redirect former bioweapons facilities and scientists toward peaceful endeavors.

The labs in Ukraine are not bioweapons facilities. The US government maintains that they are public and animal health labs operated by host countries. Although a long-running Russian disinformation campaign has painted a picture of a network of US military labs in Ukraine, Georgia, and other former Soviet republics involved in bioweapons or risky research, Pope said the labs conduct peaceful scientific research and disease surveillance. Outside experts have also said Pope’s program is not a covert bioweapons operation.

While the United States isn’t maintaining bioweapons facilities, Pope said, war could put pathogen collections in Ukraine at risk.

“I would say from every facility that we have worked with them in, we have confidence that as long as the electrical power is turned on and the people we have trained are present at the facility, the biosafety officers, that these pathogens are safe and secure to international standards,” Pope said. “Should these facilities be damaged by conflict, that could change.”

The pathogens with which the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program labs work are generally kept frozen, so they can’t replicate and become infectious. The risk the pathogens pose would increase if a building lost power and suffered damage. “If you lose the electrical power, the pathogens in the freezers warm up,” he said. “If the ventilation system is damaged, or the building itself is damaged, and these now ambient-temperature pathogens are able to escape the facility, then they can be potentially infectious in the region around the facility.”

Although Russian officials and media have misrepresented the US-supported labs in Ukraine and other former Soviet countries in disinformation campaigns, Pope doesn’t believe the Russians will deliberately aim weapons at the labs during the invasion.

“I think the Russians know enough about the kinds of pathogens that are stored in biological research laboratories that I don’t think they would deliberately target a laboratory,” Pope said. “But what I do have concerns about is that they would … be accidentally damaged during this Russian invasion.”

The invasion could also provide fodder for new disinformation narratives around the labs, Pope feared. The Russians, he said, “could potentially go to one of these facilities and fabricate something that they call evidence of nefarious activity at the facility.”

The pathogens in Ukrainian labs vary by facility, Pope said, but some can be characterized as presenting a concern in the Ukrainian environment. As an example, he cited African swine fever virus, which is highly contagious in pigs and has caused hundreds of outbreaks in Ukraine since 2012. Some labs, he said, may hold pathogen strains left over from the Soviet bioweapons program, preserved in freezers for research purposes.

“There is no place that still has any of the sort of infrastructure for researching or producing biological weapons,” Pope said. “Scientists being scientists, it wouldn’t surprise me if some of these strain collections in some of these laboratories still have pathogen strains that go all the way back to the origins of that program.”

The program is encouraging host countries to reduce the scope of their pathogen holdings to as small of a collection as necessary for legitimate scientific research, Pope said.

“What we have today and what these countries maintain are small amounts of various pathogens that by and large are things that are collected out of their environment that they need for research to be able to legitimately surveil disease and develop vaccines against,” he said.

This work, Pope said, continued in Ukraine until recently. “They have more pathogens in more places than we recommend,” he said. The program had been helping Ukrainian researchers sift through their frozen pathogen collections, with the goal of persuading the Ukrainians to preserve their genetic information of samples via sequencing before destroying the live samples.

Pope said his program had been close to an agreement with the Ukrainians on consolidating samples, but the invasion has now made that project uncertain. “All of that, obviously, has been derailed here with the recent events,” he said.

The Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, Pope said Thursday, has not had contact with biosafety staff at the labs in Ukraine since the Russian invasion. Phone lines have been jammed in Ukraine, he said, and “I don’t know what kind of contact we will have in these labs in the near future.”

Some Ukrainian labs, like the Ukrainian Ministry of Health’s Public Health Center, Pope said, are major facilities, others small. Some are new, while others date back to the Soviet-era and the country’s bioweapons program.

The US government has worked with 26 facilities in Ukraine. Before the invasion, the program provided direct material support to six Ukrainian labs. The program also provides biosafety and scientific mentorship training to Ministry of Health personnel throughout the country.