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Wow. I can’t touch that with surplus H4831 and GI brass. I think 58 grains was all I could stuff in a LC Match case with a 200 gr. NPT. Something to try. I use a Long Drop Tube to load max capacity powder in some cases. 4831 and 7828 are 2 that I use that fills the 06, & 270 W cases. Might work for you. Jerry
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I still had a lot of 200 gr Partitions for my 30-06 and discovered they penetrated every bit as well as the 300 gr Partitions from my 375, so I began using the 30-06.
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Why not just cut and save to your documents folder?
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What's your fav load, 200 gr. NPT's in the '06?
DF My standard load with the 200 partition has been 59 gr of Norma MRP for the past 30 years. It runs a solid 2700 fps in my rifles.
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Not 458Win, but 52.0 grains of IMR 4350 with a 200 gr. bullet of your choice shoots to the same zero as the old Federal Premium 200 grain load (and is slightly more accurate) in my rifles. I’m still using up a lifetime supply of Lake City Match brass, so you can likely up the load a grain for domestic, commercial brass. 57.0 grains of the surplus H4831 in the same brass also shoots to the same zero, so seems to duplicate the IMR 4350 load.
The old Federal 200 grain Premium ammo seemed to be loaded with a Sierra SPBT, a “GameKing” in today’s marketing parlance. It was good stuff, hated to see it go, but was glad I could duplicate it. I worked it up before I owned a chronograph, so can’t tell you how fast it is/isn’t going. Deer aren’t a fan. I chronographed these loads today. As was noted, they aren’t fast: 52/IMR 4350/200 gr. Sierra yielded 2430 fps at the muzzle on my R8 The Federal 200 gr. factory load was going 2510 fps from the same rifle I didn’t have any of my H4831 loads, or 200 gr. NPT loads to try.
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H4831 produced good groups ad adequate velocity from a 22" Douglas barrel on a Springfield as long as velocity was kept relatively low.
This rifle does not group well with ant bullet when maximum loads are used.
200 NP - 60.5 gn H4831 - 2519 fps - 1.1" group
200 AB - 60 gn - H4831 - 2483 fps - 1.1" group
200 AB - 61 gn - H4831 - 2610 fps - 2.5" group
A 20 3/8" bbl SAKO does very well with 200 NP
60 gn - N560 - 2603 fps - 210 primer
56 gn - StaBall 6.5 - 2624 fps - 215 primer
60 gn - R26 - 2615 fps - 215 primer
Calculating from published 270 data using The Rules (thanks JB) about 2600 fps is all one can reasonably expect from a 20" bbl without exceeding 65,000 psi.
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I've yet to use the 200gr Nosler Partition in a 30-06 but I'm hopeful to do so in the woods of Central and North idaho. Being that these are very expensive I'm also open to trying the Hornady 220 roundnose as they are far more economical and they should be able to reach 300yds. With the lower velocity they may perform quite well. Yet to try it but I'm getting ready as bear season will be coming up and I bought 2 boxes of those 220gr round nose. Old school I suppose
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I loaded some 200s over H4831SC this morning. 59 grains was crunching pretty good. I don't think I can go any higher.
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I grew up hunting South Texas and used 2 model 70 rifles in '06. I initially started with 165gr Sierras, but later switched to 200gr Gamekings as my standard load. It did a great job of stopping game instantly which is what we liked to if you're in thick cactus. Used it on coyotes, javelina, deer and one large Russian boar at around 300 yds. Standard load was 58.0grs RL-22 for many years. It was the most accurate load that rifle shot. Later when RL-22 couldn't be found I worked up to 55.5grs H4350 for around 2670fps from a 22" barrel. Never did get 2700fps even though I tried. A pile of dead critters didn't know any difference. I will always appreciate the power of a 200gr bullet from the grand '06.
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That tends to depend on brass thickness, along with seating depth in a particular rifle. Have used different brands of .30-06 brass that got basically the same velocity/accuracy with 58 and 60 grains.
One way to reduce the amount of powder needed to achieve the same velocity is to use magnum primers. They'll often result in requiring 1-2 fewer grains.
Have also not found "crunching" to affect ballistic performance much, unless it also results in pushing the bullet forward a day or week or month after seating. Have tested 286-grain 9.3x62 handloads with heavily compressed Big Game powder years after they were loaded, and so far they've always resulted in the same basic velocity and accuracy.
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I'm going to try it but dang!
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59.0 grains H4831SC. Fed 210, 200 grain Accubond, 2731 avg. Barrel is 25 ish
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Accuracy? Velocity variation? Any oddities due to "crunching"?
I suspect that might kill a big game animal.
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This one and the 150gr 270 thread need sticky
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Have a box of those 200 grain Partitions & a big jug of Reloder 23. You guys have me itching to work up a dark timber load
Only problem is I don't have a current 30 06 in the house!
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Have a box of those 200 grain Partitions & a big jug of Reloder 23. You guys have me itching to work up a dark timber load
Only problem is I don't have a current 30 06 in the house!
41 What?!?
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Have a box of those 200 grain Partitions & a big jug of Reloder 23. You guys have me itching to work up a dark timber load
Only problem is I don't have a current 30 06 in the house!
41 What?!? OMG. That is un American!!
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Have a box of those 200 grain Partitions & a big jug of Reloder 23. You guys have me itching to work up a dark timber load
Only problem is I don't have a current 30 06 in the house!
41 What?!? How can that be??!!!
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I loaded some 200s over H4831SC this morning. 59 grains was crunching pretty good. I don't think I can go any higher. What brand case we’re you using? Don’t have anything to add… just curious.
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