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Amen.

The message of salvation on account of our Lord Jesus Christ isn’t just for non-believers it is for believers… daily… and we all need prayer.

No worries. It would be hard for me to take something written by you as mean spirited. I knew what you meant.

Yeah, I got that pride thing down pretty good, too. Lol

Be well!

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Yes, I agree.
Jesus is in all the first five books and all of the prophetic books.

It is stressed what He said to the disciples and what was written back in the beginning.
Luke 24

"He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,"

Jesus met some of His other disciples later who were rebuked for not trusting what the Bible says, calling them...
"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day"

Even His personal disciples doubted that historical event.
My point is that people really get it when they hear the Word of God proclaimed and decide to believe it.
Those preachers who undermine the Word are not in agreement with our Lord. Liberal and many conservative churches do that.
People only get saved when they decide to make Christ the Object of their faith as I think you made a good point of concerning your example of Abraham. He is a frequent example in the N.T. of faith.

Where does that faith come from?

A: Romans 10
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?..
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

Antlers posts make me believe he actually understands and follows the principles of Christ’s teachings. It’s a refreshing change from people like jag’s B.S. calling people “corksuckers” and saying “Praise the Lord!” In the same sentence.
Hypocrites are what turned me off of organized religion. Too stupid to realize they’re the epitome of everything that Christ wasn’t.

Dude ..
If you Believe in Forever..
Life is just a One Night Stand ..
Oh Oh Oh ..

No need, if a Being capable of creating a universe exists, such a Being would not be so intolerent as to condemn people over trivial reasons.

There was a Burning Bush for a Reason..
Symbolic to those who believe in the Margins

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Rory, check out Les Feldick, please.

Efw,

The Reformers didn’t initially intend to leave the RCC. They intended to reform some of the abuses they saw, like Luther who hated the selling of indulgences and others. As the years of the 1500’s passed on by, that was realized as the pipe dream it was. As you know the Reformers were far from perfect, about like the patriarchs, and the rest of us as it turns out 😉. Zwingli and Calvin were both implicated in the drownings of Anabaptists. And Luther became antisemitic.

We should continually be reforming, matching our religious traditions against the Word of God, which to respond to antlers, is the REVEALED Word of God. How else would people in the centuries after the canon was agreed on, in the 300’s AD, even know of Christ and His sacrifice?

I agree with you about the culture which is what I mean about it informing the church instead of the other way around. And it’s getting worse every day it seems.

We left the RCA some time ago and I can’t imagine crossing that threshold again. We are presently in a EFC whose congregations are autonomous and I don’t answer to an East Cost headquarter that pretty much parallels the vast political climate differences that exist there and here.

Best to all who call Christ, Lord.

Amen.

I can appreciate a nondenominational point of veiw over a my way or the highway approach of a single individual's draconian this is how I see it and how you must see it approach.
That is a power attempt by a person over another person IMO...
All people interpret and understand the bible differently.
What one reads and thinks it says is different from another.
Bibles are written that way to give a person a feeling of individual connection to God differently from another person IMO.

That also goes for justabout any subject discussed or read actually.
The message, perception of message from source, perception of message by the individual as understood.
Lots of varibles of intent and understanding in the whole thing.
That is the way I think any denomination,s bible was meant to be.
How each person understands what is in it to themselves personally
for their self contentment and how that can be joining as a group with common ground in a faith.

Not another mans "no you must bend to how I see it only"..
That is a power grab by a person with a need for power in their mind or in the real world for a gain IMO.
That has been going since the dawn of time also.
And I have seen and experienced that all over the planet and how it can subjugate people.

Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Buddhism, Hinduism.
Been exsposed to alot of the world's religons and how to approach and interact with them in given situations.
It's was part of the Job being on the ground dealing with people in the Infantry on the planet.
Last thing you needed to do was outrage or offend a people and create a enemy or even more enemies at times.

One example...
The moron MP,s at Abu Gharib.
Alot of soldiers died as the result of that.

Islam is a fugged up cult like religon IMO and many others see it that way also for very good reasons.
But why incite the fugga,s
Those MP,s did all that for power exploiting others beliefs.

Look at Cults in Christianity that have happened.
Power
A individual seeking power for their gain is what it boils down too.


And it is easy to read these people who seek power from others beliefs.
That has been happening since the dawn of time also.

Liberal Socialist Democrats are just as bad as Islam IMO.
Inherant evil intent common to both to dominate a population thru a might makes right mindset thru fear or reward over people.
One or the other, or a blend of both per needs laying groups against each other.

Sincerity and deception are 2 easily distinguishable things.
People that deceive others are outraged and condemn others when questioned or discovered.
Sincere people dont have those reactions.
I cannot stand a corrupt person and that covers much of human nature.

Enough of all this anyways.
I could go on and on and on.
Have dealt with alot of people on this planet, much much more than a average person will in their lifetime in their own 360° horizon.
Much more ...

I'm not a physcharitrist at all.
But have alot of experience with people.
Not just people world wide but soldiers in the army also which tend to be a cross section representation of all walks of life in our own nation.


Non denominational reminds me of military Chaplin's and their ability to not offend or alienate and their ability to provide knowledge and faith in a encompassing manner to a group or individual when needed or provided.


I got almost 10 to 11hrs of 2 daycare graduations to sit thru today in on call gopher standby status.
Then I'm free of it starting tommorow and will go out and walk arrowhead fields away from every other human on this planet for x amount of time.👍👍👍

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The fetal position is not a good strategy.

It's been 15 or so billion years without one. I wouldn't hold my breath.

"Like a thief in the night."

At the Council of Jerusalem in 50 AD, Apostle Peter (a Jew) made it crystal clear that the Jewish followers of Jesus are saved through the grace of God, just as the Gentiles (non Jews) are. He said so, verbatim.

And then James (the brother of Jesus) stood up and said something that is profound and determinative and focusing and (to me) likely the most vision-casting passage in the New Testament…it’s what I think discussions with the unchurched and dechurched oughta be about more than anything else…he said that it was his decision that believers, especially believers who are in leadership positions, should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

That (to me) oughta be what churches are doin’ right there. Yeah, I’d wanna make it as easy as possible. If somebody’s got a spark and they’re startin’ to focus on God, it makes sense to me to fan that flame and not do anything to make it unnecessarily difficult for those who are turning to God.

WTF?

True. Human depravity is not a recent invention.

The World has been ending for 2000 years. It doesn't matter to me how it ends, or when it ends, as our behavior and faith should not be any different in either scenario.