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Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Raspy #17229237 05/07/22
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250Sav_age Campfire Regular 2 Joined: Apr 2022 Posts: 516 Likes: 4	Originally Posted by Raspy Originally Posted by 250Sav_age We live, we die. No great reward, just worm dirt. I’m sorry, but that’s just not possible if Big Bang was the beginning of space and time itself. It even doesn’t make any sense. If there was the beginning of time (Big Bang), it must have its end, which means you can’t cease to exist for eternity, simply. All the scientific facts we have and will get are still limited to our physical realm. One and obvious thing to tell is that “you can’t create something from nothing”. Quantum tunneling is something, not nothing. And you still need to consider the fact that there was a beginning of everything. The only explanation there is, is the existence of an unknown force beyond everything that has ever existed, currently exists and will come into existence in the future. That force is known to many scientists as “God”. People always wanted to follow science and be rational about these things, avoiding any kind of religion or faith. If it was Tuesday in Italy, an emu would eat turkey, is that what you are saying? You live, you die. You are an animal, no big reward. Enjoy your time here, because it's all you get.

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Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Padgett01 #17229256 05/07/22
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FatCity67 Campfire Ranger Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 19,774 Likes: 16 Central Valley NorKal	Ugh someone pick up a history book once in awhile other than the bible. World is a hell of a lot better than it has ever been for humanity as a whole. Why do you think we are pushing 8billion? "Maybe we're all happy." "Go to the sporting goods store. From the files, obtain form 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons and lists of private ownership."

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Padgett01 #17229401 05/07/22
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DBT Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,705 Likes: 2 QLD Australia.	People believed in all sorts of things to help them get through life, and still do.

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? 250Sav_age #17229529 05/07/22
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Raspy Campfire Regular R Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,409 Lone Star State	Originally Posted by 250Sav_age Originally Posted by Raspy Originally Posted by 250Sav_age We live, we die. No great reward, just worm dirt. I’m sorry, but that’s just not possible if Big Bang was the beginning of space and time itself. It even doesn’t make any sense. If there was the beginning of time (Big Bang), it must have its end, which means you can’t cease to exist for eternity, simply. All the scientific facts we have and will get are still limited to our physical realm. One and obvious thing to tell is that “you can’t create something from nothing”. Quantum tunneling is something, not nothing. And you still need to consider the fact that there was a beginning of everything. The only explanation there is, is the existence of an unknown force beyond everything that has ever existed, currently exists and will come into existence in the future. That force is known to many scientists as “God”. People always wanted to follow science and be rational about these things, avoiding any kind of religion or faith. If it was Tuesday in Italy, an emu would eat turkey, is that what you are saying? You live, you die. You are an animal, no big reward. Enjoy your time here, because it's all you get. You got your opinion...I've got mine. Illegitimi non carborundum

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Padgett01 #17229553 05/07/22
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DBT Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,705 Likes: 2 QLD Australia.	The External World doesn't cater to our beliefs or opinions. Something is either true or false regardless of what we may believe.

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Re: How Long Until the Rapture? DBT #17229651 05/07/22
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plumbum Campfire Tracker P Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,721 Likes: 8	Originally Posted by DBT The External World doesn't cater to our beliefs or opinions. No, but our opinions and beliefs define "the external world." It exists to us only through our perception and we can concieve it only through our description. Quote Something is either true or false regardless of what we may believe. Without believing something, there is no true or false. That has nothing to do with religion. Last edited by plumbum; 05/08/22.
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Re: How Long Until the Rapture? FatCity67 #17229652 05/07/22
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plumbum Campfire Tracker P Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,721 Likes: 8	Originally Posted by FatCity67 Ugh someone pick up a history book once in awhile other than the bible. World is a hell of a lot better than it has ever been for humanity as a whole. Why do you think we are pushing 8billion? I blame the UN! Actually, Norman Borlaug had a lot to do with it.

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? plumbum #17229657 05/08/22
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DBT Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,705 Likes: 2 QLD Australia.	Originally Posted by plumbum Originally Posted by DBT The External World doesn't cater to our beliefs or opinions. No, but our opinions and beliefs define "the external world." It exists to us only through our perception and we can con investors of it only through our description. Quote Something is either true or false regardless of what we may believe. Without believing something, there is no true or false. That has nothing to do with religion. A tree, brick wall, house, river, mountain or whatever, obstructs your passage whether you believe its there or not. Your belief has no bearing on its existence. The sun shines upon us regardless of what we believe. The earth was a spherical planet orbiting a star when everyone believed the earth was stationary and flat.....

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? DBT #17230091 05/08/22
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Raspy Campfire Regular R Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,409 Lone Star State	Originally Posted by DBT Originally Posted by plumbum Originally Posted by DBT The External World doesn't cater to our beliefs or opinions. No, but our opinions and beliefs define "the external world." It exists to us only through our perception and we can con investors of it only through our description. Quote Something is either true or false regardless of what we may believe. Without believing something, there is no true or false. That has nothing to do with religion. A tree, brick wall, house, river, mountain or whatever, obstructs your passage whether you believe its there or not. Your belief has no bearing on its existence. The sun shines upon us regardless of what we believe. The earth was a spherical planet orbiting a star when everyone believed the earth was stationary and flat..... You are correct......and, might I add.....Faith is based on belief without evidence, whereas science is based on evidence without belief.....I choose to believe in Faith, of a God of the bible, but that is just me......What I realized was if those long, long ago scholars, and philosophers were just making up a story, especially thousands of years ago when there was no internet or no wiki-leaks, they would make the main characters and heroes seem perfect. But that’s not what the Bible does, yet, I wondered why. The only answer that made sense is that its authentic history about actual people....again, It is what I choose to believe. Illegitimi non carborundum

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Padgett01 #17230126 05/08/22
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wabigoon Campfire Kahuna W Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 61,219 Likes: 30 Iowa/NW Ontario	These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o "May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Padgett01 #17232017 05/08/22
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Re: How Long Until the Rapture? efw #17285599 05/27/22
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Tarbe Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 1,788 Romance, MO	Originally Posted by efw Originally Posted by dimecovers5 I've always been told the Rapture can't take place till after Israel rebuilds the temple. Read Hebrews; there is no going back. That which the temple pointed to has been made manifest in our Lord. Anything that teaches the necessity of a rebuilding of the temple is heretical. Amen USMC 0351 We know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Padgett01 #17285603 05/27/22
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Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,944 Likes: 3 Deer Park, Tx	To obtain understanding of the Scripture, start with salvation. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Proverbs 1:7 By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Padgett01 #17285683 05/27/22
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Re: How Long Until the Rapture? FatCity67 #17285699 05/27/22
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George_De_Vries_3rd Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,149 Likes: 5	Originally Posted by FatCity67 Ugh someone pick up a history book once in awhile other than the bible. World is a hell of a lot better than it has ever been for humanity as a whole. Why do you think we are pushing 8billion? Like a good textbook (not revisionist history) on Western Civ? Christianity is the reason western civilization reached the zenith it has. And, no, the present population has nothing to do with the moral state of its peoples. In fact, the West’s culture has degraded — almost everybody older then twenty realizes this — the root cause being the rejecting of Judea-Christian values 60 years ago and the cascading effect in entertainment, business, academia, and politics. And disenfranchised youth leading to mass shootings. The population has more to do with general improvement in water, food, and shelter, and medications, not to mention the eradication of many diseases worldwide.

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Padgett01 #17285713 05/27/22
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DBT Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,705 Likes: 2 QLD Australia.	Was it the Church that brought us out of the dark ages?

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Tarbe #17285723 05/27/22
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stevelyn Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,700 Likes: 4 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell	Originally Posted by Tarbe Originally Posted by efw Originally Posted by dimecovers5 I've always been told the Rapture can't take place till after Israel rebuilds the temple. Read Hebrews; there is no going back. That which the temple pointed to has been made manifest in our Lord. Anything that teaches the necessity of a rebuilding of the temple is heretical. Amen Amen +2 Z

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Padgett01 #17285772 05/27/22
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Savage_Hunter Campfire Regular S Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,851	Responding to dimecovers5, The way I understand it is there is nothing on the eschatological calendar required before the Rapture. Immediately after the Rapture, the 7 years Tribulation begins. The Jews will rebuild the Temple during that time and they are satisfied for a while. That is, until the Antichrist sits down in the Holy of Holies and demands that the whole earth worships him. All who refuse are hunted down and executed. So, the Temple will not be rebuilt prior to the Rapture, but after it. And, God will not be honored by this temple they build, for that time of temple worship has long passed.

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? DBT #17285801 05/27/22
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Son_of_the_Gael Campfire Tracker S Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,689 Likes: 2 Oklahoma City	Originally Posted by DBT Was it the Church that brought us out of the dark ages? Yes it had it's part in ushering in the High Middle Ages, in ending slavery in Europe and in preserving all that Classical learning that Petrarch was so fond of. Actually, Petrarch wouldn't have been able to read those Greek and Latin texts if the monks hadn't taken care of them. 'Four legs good, two legs baaaad." ---------------------------------------------- "Jimmy, some of it's magic, Some of it's tragic, But I had a good life all the way." (Jimmy Buffett) SotG

Re: How Long Until the Rapture? Son_of_the_Gael #17285975 05/27/22
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DBT Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,705 Likes: 2 QLD Australia.	Originally Posted by Son_of_the_Gael Originally Posted by DBT Was it the Church that brought us out of the dark ages? Yes it had it's part in ushering in the High Middle Ages, in ending slavery in Europe and in preserving all that Classical learning that Petrarch was so fond of. Actually, Petrarch wouldn't have been able to read those Greek and Latin texts if the monks hadn't taken care of them. I'd say the Church tried to suppress anything that went against its theology, authority and teachings, that the enlightenment happened because inquiring minds dared to question.

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