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Ugh someone pick up a history book once in awhile other than the bible.

World is a hell of a lot better than it has ever been for humanity as a whole. Why do you think we are pushing 8billion?

Like a good textbook (not revisionist history) on Western Civ?

Christianity is the reason western civilization reached the zenith it has. And, no, the present population has nothing to do with the moral state of its peoples. In fact, the West’s culture has degraded — almost everybody older then twenty realizes this — the root cause being the rejecting of Judea-Christian values 60 years ago and the cascading effect in entertainment, business, academia, and politics. And disenfranchised youth leading to mass shootings.

The population has more to do with general improvement in water, food, and shelter, and medications, not to mention the eradication of many diseases worldwide.

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Originally Posted by DBT
Was it the Church that brought us out of the dark ages?
Absolutely not. The (non) Christian church caused and prolonged the dark ages and if the church was questioned you got tied to a post and publicly burned as a warning to the rest of the "Christians". But the Christian church to be fair to Jesus had left his teachings in the dust when it joined the Roman government and became an instrument of the state.

Jesus was hijacked by the Medieval church and the misuse of His name was used in suppression and servitude of 90% of the population. If not for the upheaval caused in part by the Black Death plague it probably would have continued holding the people of Europe in ignorance and slavery.

Thank God our founders that wrote our constitution understood the importance of keeping religion out of government.

By the way DBT, I do not endorse atheism. I just realize a lot of evil is done in God's name.


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Originally Posted by Tide_Change
Go out to the parking lot

And you get in your car and drive real far

And you drive all night and then you see a light

And it comes right down and it lands on the ground

And out comes a man from Mars

And you try to run but he's got a gun

And he shoots you dead and he eats your head

And then you're in the man from Mars

You go out at night eatin' cars

You eat Cadillacs, Lincolns too

Mercurys and Subaru

And you don't stop, you keep on eatin' cars





Sorry - flashback.




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Was it the Church that brought us out of the dark ages?


Yes it had it's part in ushering in the High Middle Ages, in ending slavery in Europe and in preserving all that Classical learning that Petrarch was so fond of. Actually, Petrarch wouldn't have been able to read those Greek and Latin texts if the monks hadn't taken care of them.

I'd say the Church tried to suppress anything that went against its theology, authority and teachings, that the enlightenment happened because inquiring minds dared to question.

I Think more accurately, it was the Roman Church until 1000 AD, when it officially became the Roman Catholic Church, which, honestly was filled with all kinds of paganism since Constantine. All of which drove the Reformers against its excesses and deviation from and additions to scripture.

Note, I did not condemn all RC’s or say none of them are Christ followers.

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