I read about A5s being used down there in Argentina that the friction rings had been out of them so long that the owners didn’t even know they were supposed to have them. The forearms were cracked and all that, but they just kept taking the pounding.
They are definitely reliable that's for sure
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It sounds like the Benelli fits the bill. I've heard before that they were a good choice.
I've been reading up and it sounds like the M2 inertia action is very comparable to the M4 gas action in reliability and weighs less/kicks more,..and can be had for about a $1000 less than the M4.
I appreciate the replies. I think I'm going to be shopping for an M2.
It sounds like the Benelli fits the bill. I've heard before that they were a good choice.
I've been reading up and it sounds like the M2 inertia action is very comparable to the M4 gas action in reliability and weighs less/kicks more,..and can be had for about a $1000 less than the M4.
I appreciate the replies. I think I'm going to be shopping for an M2.
You will not be disappointed
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I have had zero issues with my Benelli M2s. Not sure where the they don’t function when dirty. To each there own but I will stick with what I know works and that’s Benelli.
Thanks Flave for the info on tactical shotguns. Very informative.
owned a lot of semi- auto shotguns as a gun dealer the Winchester Super X-2 or a Berretta 390 seem to jam less and had fewer problems than the rest of a normal shotguns.
This. Benelli are good unless they get dirty or wet. Then you have to go to Wolff Gunsprings and get a stainless bolt spring and a stainless magazine spring.
^^Has not shot a Benelli in any of those conditions^^^
I know a lot of duck hunters that do and they swear by the Benelli's
Go to Argentina and shoot doves with a gun provided by the place you hunt the doves, and most likely they will hand you a Benelli that has been shot 100’s of thousands of times…
They are definitely the gold standard
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If we're talking about what's available now, absolutely - that's the case. deflave got the two b's backwards in order but they're probably honestly a tie anyway.
My answer was and is still correct. Every remington model 11 owner I know still uses them even though most are nearly 100 years old. I'd be surprised if the b's last that long basically without any repairs and very little if any maintenance (mine is 96 years old and I dab a little motor oil on the tube once a year). Until this year, it got 1500 or so rounds through it annually so if you do the math that would be 144 thousand rounds with no repairs. That's not really the case though as mine spent it's first twenty years as a naval training weapon (fancy way of saying skeet shooting off the weather deck of a naval vessel) so the round count is probably way higher than 144k. Same goes for the beretta 300's, most are 50 years old and chugging right along with no maintenance and very few if any repairs.
I have never cleaned my beretta 300 or my model 11.
I'm not downing today's offerings in any way - just pointing out a couple hundred thousand rounds and a century of age tells the real tale.
Please...
You haven't owned yours for 96 years, you have no idea what was or wasn't maintained or repaired in the time it wasn't under your roof.
The majority of Model 11s (and any other shotgun owned by average joe) haven't seen 10k rounds, let alone 144K - lol.
OP is asking for a defensive tool, higher capacity the better. Not a fuggin' century old field gun that can be pressed into service. To that end, Flave's dissertation is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
The Rem M-11 and Browning A-5 are top performers even today
You are stuck in the past, like the movie Groundhog Day.
Lol.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
I read about A5s being used down there in Argentina that the friction rings had been out of them so long that the owners didn’t even know they were supposed to have them. The forearms were cracked and all that, but they just kept taking the pounding.
This was probably true in 1995.
You would be incredibly hard pressed to find anything other than benelli or beretta (or a derivative) in 2022.
It sounds like the Benelli fits the bill. I've heard before that they were a good choice.
I've been reading up and it sounds like the M2 inertia action is very comparable to the M4 gas action in reliability and weighs less/kicks more,..and can be had for about a $1000 less than the M4.
I appreciate the replies. I think I'm going to be shopping for an M2.
You will not be disappointed
My brother has an M2, without the tube extension.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
If we're talking about what's available now, absolutely - that's the case. deflave got the two b's backwards in order but they're probably honestly a tie anyway.
My answer was and is still correct. Every remington model 11 owner I know still uses them even though most are nearly 100 years old. I'd be surprised if the b's last that long basically without any repairs and very little if any maintenance (mine is 96 years old and I dab a little motor oil on the tube once a year). Until this year, it got 1500 or so rounds through it annually so if you do the math that would be 144 thousand rounds with no repairs. That's not really the case though as mine spent it's first twenty years as a naval training weapon (fancy way of saying skeet shooting off the weather deck of a naval vessel) so the round count is probably way higher than 144k. Same goes for the beretta 300's, most are 50 years old and chugging right along with no maintenance and very few if any repairs.
I have never cleaned my beretta 300 or my model 11.
I'm not downing today's offerings in any way - just pointing out a couple hundred thousand rounds and a century of age tells the real tale.
Please...
You haven't owned yours for 96 years, you have no idea what was or wasn't maintained or repaired in the time it wasn't under your roof.
The majority of Model 11s (and any other shotgun owned by average joe) haven't seen 10k rounds, let alone 144K - lol.
OP is asking for a defensive tool, higher capacity the better. Not a fuggin' century old field gun that can be pressed into service. To that end, Flave's dissertation is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
The Rem M-11 and Browning A-5 are top performers even today
You are stuck in the past, like the movie Groundhog Day.
Lol.
No I'm not I have Benelli but the fact is the Browning design is extremely reliable as were all of John Brownings patented firearms
To say otherwise is just being ignorant or stupid
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I shoot sporting clays and have used Beretta 391’s and A400’s and they just work. I have shot thousands of rounds through both without cleaning and they just keeping working without any issues.
It sounds like the Benelli fits the bill. I've heard before that they were a good choice.
I've been reading up and it sounds like the M2 inertia action is very comparable to the M4 gas action in reliability and weighs less/kicks more,..and can be had for about a $1000 less than the M4.
I appreciate the replies. I think I'm going to be shopping for an M2.
We'll be anxiously awaiting your report at the 1,000,000 round mark, since apparently reliability cannot be "reliably" determined until at least that point. And remember, NO CLEANING! That would be cheating...
Frivolous comments aside, were I to ever forsake my 1966 vintage Model 1100 a Benelli is what I'd look for as well.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
Hard to go wrong with a Benelli M2. Plenty of aftermarket support for them as well for things such as mag tube extensions.
Best answer;DONE.
I HAVE A M2 12 AND ALSO A BUL 12 AND 20 ga. Have hunted them all over from Maine to Montana, and many places in between. HAVE NEVER HAD A F2F OR ANY OTHER MALFUNCTION.
The Benelli M2 is an outstanding shotgun and the 20 gauge version is on my “never get rid of” list for upland birds. It has been absolutely flawless and if you stumble across the Tactical version, by all means grab it.
But for the price point I think the buyer is getting more bang for their buck with the Beretta 1301.
They’re both incredible shotguns.
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I read about A5s being used down there in Argentina that the friction rings had been out of them so long that the owners didn’t even know they were supposed to have them. The forearms were cracked and all that, but they just kept taking the pounding.
This was probably true in 1995.
You would be incredibly hard pressed to find anything other than benelli or beretta (or a derivative) in 2022.
It is true that if you take the friction rings out of one, even a 3” Magnum 12 will cycle 2 3/4” super speeds from wal mart reliably and quickly. I’ve done it and proven it works.
Cracked forearms come from too tight of a cap and exposure to moisture, along with pounding from loads. It’s not a one thing cause, but several contributing factors.
Availability and cost would be as big of contributor to what those guys use down there in my opinion. Much easier to find a Benelli than search for out of production browning products.
I read about A5s being used down there in Argentina that the friction rings had been out of them so long that the owners didn’t even know they were supposed to have them. The forearms were cracked and all that, but they just kept taking the pounding.
This was probably true in 1995.
You would be incredibly hard pressed to find anything other than benelli or beretta (or a derivative) in 2022.
It is true that if you take the friction rings out of one, even a 3” Magnum 12 will cycle 2 3/4” super speeds from wal mart reliably and quickly. I’ve done it and proven it works.
Cracked forearms come from too tight of a cap and exposure to moisture, along with pounding from loads. It’s not a one thing cause, but several contributing factors.
Availability and cost would be as big of contributor to what those guys use down there in my opinion. Much easier to find a Benelli than search for out of production browning products.
Yep.
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