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My constant companion is a G29 for just that reason.

Boomers paid attention when bullet engineering progressed in all calibers as well.

We heard about the Boxer Rebellion before you did also, but not before John M Browning did. He did something about it.

He also said the 9mm Luger and the .38 special revolvers were fine weapons but his invention was better against bad guys on drugs running towards the trenches.

Do you believe that a .308 Win kills deer deader than a 7mm-08?

That's a stupid question. Nobody mentioned "deader".

Okay how about quicker. Do you believe that a .308 Win kills deer quicker than a 7mm-08?

CNS trauma is what stops an assailant...

Bullet engineering is important to that delivery.

Shot/shots placed determines CNS trauma.

It ain't rocket science...

I can’t answer the OP’s question because I haven’t shot anything but paper with my 9mm.

I broke down and bought one for the capacity, primarily. That said, it’s a full-sized 19+1 and not exactly ideal for CC. But I lose interest (or faith) in 9mm if it’s anything much less than that.

I am confident enough in a 9mm that I carry one often

Either one is fine. Our agency is now transitioning back to 9mm from the the 40 cal. The reasoning is not effectiveness of one over the other. The reasoning is more rounds in the gun and more hits due to a slightly less recoil impulse. Last, Glock offered a crazy deal on the cost of the switch over. We are carrying the the Federal 40 cal. 180 gr HST and will be carrying the Federal 9mm HST 147gr. Absent a CSN shot and instant drop, out of the fight result ,using a standard pistol round to stop a threat is like using a small hammer to drive a big nail. It can be done but, the results are not always ideal and vary widely. People often do not know they are hit and the effect of the hits can take awhile to be observable. some people are dead on the their feet but do not know they are dead. Hence the need to keep reevaluating that threat and reengaging or disengaging as needed.

I remember reading about a criminal that was high on a PCP getting in a shootout in Illinois with the police. He had been hit 51 times with their issued 9mm rounds and was still returning fire. They stopped him with a 12 ga. slug to the neck cutting his spine in two.

CNS, meshemess. Priority 1 in self defense is to incapacitate, not kill. Don’t think it matters a lot what you shoot someone with as opposed to where.

So, maybe it’s dark and you’re excited a bit. Nobody goes anywhere without their bellybutton. Shoot’m in the gut and they’re done. On the deck, cryin’ like a little girl.

This is like talking to a teenage girl. Geez

Yes

Uh, not compared to some others.. And loaded with the right bullet (ala Lehigh Defense stuff) it can be quite effective..


Yep - and those might be needed more in an urban environment like Murderapolis than in the middle of, say, South Dakota... Just sayin'...

No, but a person with a 9mm can.

Given my proficiency with a handgun...I've been thinking a handheld claymore may be the ideal self defense round. Quite a few years ago, I saw a 1000# water buffalo that had tripped one...game over.

More female recruits over the years pushed the transition back to the 9mm. They complained that the 40 cal had too much recoil, plus Glock reps (former Leos) pushed it for more money

Our experience was similar with some our our Deputies expressing an interest in the lighter recoiling of the 9mm. Complaining about the snappy recoil of the 40 cal. We, range instructors proposed taking a portion of our consistently lowest shooters and allowing them to carry 9mms. The management denied our request under the notion that in a gunfire there could be ammo compatibility issues with the different calibers. We countered with "hits win gun fights" and we do not practice sharing magazines or the transfer of magazines while shooting and were again denied. once the admin saw other agencies switching back to the 9mm then they decided and found the funding to switch. Nothing more then a newer, shinier can opener! Then it was a great idea.

The best firearms instructors in law enforcement that I've ever met were pushing for 9mm and quality projectiles twenty years ago.

It's a no-brainer.

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