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I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?

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You start this argument with a faulty premise: Europe isn't ours, therefore we can't "give" it to anyone.

John John everybody’s in the Pool Already ..

Article 5 is just a Formality at this Point..

This is the funniest GD thing I'll read today.


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Well there is that but also the point that our former government actually wanted to stop the spread of communism. There is no will for that anymore. Communism is promoted and inundates us daily and iys effects evident in the far less than red wave we see in this election cycle. Russia won't need or likely want Canada or Mexico when what everyone, all countries, understand is that US policy is now solely based on keeping secrets hidden and maintaining the money laundering. If Russia captures all of Europe and the mayor of Moscow can just write another check to Hunter B or whoever in our state department -and the Big Guy gets his 10% - there will be no moral outrage or call for anything. Ask the kids that were victims of those on Ghislaine Maxwell's list or Hunter Biden's laptop. As Joe himself just said- Good Luck with that.

This question is a perfect example of just how fugking dumb you are.

You are stupid person.

Oh my God...

antelope's lost his gay throne in short order.

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You're still the gayest one out there, Johnny Gin Blossom.

In my case it is because I wanted no part of it. And now I don't want my kids or grandchildren mixed up in killing or being killed in some foolishness across the ocean.

We haven't gained a thing by our foreign adventures. Nothing. Starting with the Spanish/American War. All it has done is put us into position for another war. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all that Middle-East crap.

And before anyone pipes up with "Japan attacked us". Why did they attack us? Who embargoed them, who blockaded trade with them?

As Ron Paul observed "sanctions lead to war".

Next time I'm in Cody I'm gonna park outside booze face's shop with the camera rolling.

I can't wait to see him stand up to a bully.

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I'd say the same about you but you're probably still locked indoors with a towel wrapped around your face.

Now she plays the "I'm a veteran card."

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So is John Kerry, and he's a total dumb fugk.

Just like you.

And why did we embargo them? It was a political response to the military actions of the Japanese.

I did not serve, either. Not necessarily because I was anti-military, I happened to be pursuing an academic career, which got me out of compulsory service, and then I moved countries. Even so, I doubt I would have been a good fit in the military

Let me give you a perspective from someone who comes from a country that WAS fundamentally "live and let live", down to being unaligned politically and militarily, like Sweden and Switzerland, all the way through WWI, up to WWII.

That worked out rather well in WWI. Our good neighbors in Belgium got put through the meat grinder ("Flanders Fields"), and the Dutch sat on the sidelines not spending treasure and blood, and trying to hang on to their own trade empire.

It didn't work out so well in WWII. Hitler thought The Netherlands were geographically too strategic and the Dutch to much of a "Bruder Volk" to leave it alone, and thus over ran it in three days.

There will be a fight, at some point, to check Putin's ambitions. As long as Nato exists, it will happen when Nato countries become involved. If Nato dissolves, the fight will be postponed, but something, sometime will happen to draw us in. Sooner, or later. How do you propose to do that? Do we wait, and hope, and pray, and sing Kum-ba-ya until something happens, which will be followed by throwing thousands of American and Allied lives at it, ruin several countries or even a continent, risk escalation to nuclear arms and spend multiple trillions........ or do we ruin one country, no American or Allied lives, no meaningful risk of nuclear arms, and spend billions in close-to-expiration date weapons, munitions and straight aid?

There will be a fight. This one doesn't require American blood. I'd spend TRILLIONS on this fight because it is a realistic opportunity to avoid killing ANY of our best young men and women.

I like Ron Paul, but he might be missing a point. Sanctions are often an attempt to correct bad behavior.

Like the Japanese, and the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Shpere. They were invading their way across the Pacific and Asia, getting materials for an expanding military. Their govt was being directed by a group of military and economic hawks.

We sanctioned them to slow down their buildup, and yes we went to war anyways. Had we not sanctioned them, they would have been in better military and strategic shape, and we would have gone to war anyways, because that's what they wanted. They were being led by warmongers.

The sanctions preceded war, but did not cause it.

I understand what you are saying but what did we accomplish. Were the Japs ruling Asia worse for us than Communist China. What business of ours was it? Japan attacked because we had put a plan into effect that would have starved them very quickly.

Again, what business of ours was it? Did the Chinese benefit? Did we?

What benefit have we gained in our European adventures? For over 100 years now. Everything we've meddled in has come a cropper.

Now we are in debt 30+ TRILLION $$$$.

It's a rhetorical question.
It will be a few years before you make it to that reading level, but hang in there, you can do it!

The COVTARD telling other people they’re dumb.

TFF.

How many boosters you got?

More accurately, a liberal covtard troll.

The bullshit it's posted in this thread, is the same bullshit it posts in alla the religion threads.

Derail the topic with "what if" crap, ta try and disguise the stupidity of the troll position on every issue.

Perfect complement ta tater head and the clam.

Yes,

In response to the expansion of communisms our policy was one of "Containment".

Here's a picture of what that looked like in 1959:[Linked Image]

You'll notice there's basically a blue ring around the Soviet Union, beginning with Japan and Korea to control the Tsushima Strait and bottle up the Soviet Fleet in Vladivostok, down through the remainder of the First Island Chain, i.e. Taiwan, Philippines, along with Vietnam to control the southern water ways approaching China, Thailand and Singapore to control access to between the Indian and Pacific oceans.

We have the southern chain, Pakistan, at that time Iran, and Turkey. With Turkey, Greece, Italy, again, we control access to the Black Sea and kept another Soviet Fleet bottled up. We controlled the entire northern coast of the Med and it's primary access point in the West, Gibraltar.

On west, Italy, France, Germany, with the Netherlands and Norway containing the Baltic fleet, and Norway and Iceland controlling the major water way between the Soviet Northern Fleet and the blue waters of the Atlantic, a line we began augmenting with SOSUS in 1966.

Now when you look at this map, all of a sudden some historical events make more sense. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan. Here's a clue for you. Afghanistan was never about Afghanistan.

As for the claim that Russians prefer free buffer states between them and NATO, the Soviets went into Hungary in 56, and Czechoslovakia in 68. They have a history of filling voids around their sphere of influence.

After their fall in 1991 containment moved forward. Czechs, Hungary and Poland in 1999, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia in 2004, and a smattering of small player since 2009. Now if you look at a map, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are right up against the Russians. The Kaliningrad carve out borders Poland and Lithuania, and Poland's, right up against the Russian Puppet Belarus, which brings us to Ukraine. Of course this is nothing new. NATO and Soviet Block solders faced each other just a few years apart at Check Point Charles for over 45 year.

Serious discussion about Ukrainian membership in NATO began in 2008 at the Bucharest summit. Neither was admitted, and a few month last Russia went into Georgia. Movement on admitting Ukraine essentially stalled until 2014 when Russia went into Crimea, but of course that little detail just gets glossed over. Now if the Russians has just stayed in Crimea, they could of probably gotten away with it, but as Orcs and the Borg will do, they just had to get greedy and as Russian always does (They didn't become the nation with the largest land mass by playing nice with their neighbors) they tried to take more, and now everyone on Russia's borders wants to join NATO.

Now you and I see Ukraine differently.

You see Ukraine. I see a pathway to all of north eastern Germany through Poland, and northern Bulgaria though Romania. And of Course they'd also need the 3 Baltic States to secure the Baltic coastline.




So our basis choices are:

1. Go Isolationist. Abandon all allies and trading partners at least outside the Western Hemisphere if not world wide AT THE SAME TIME ALL YOU BABY BOOMERS ARE RETIRING. You think shortages are bad now? You have no clue what this would look like. Keep in mind, the proximate cause of the great depression was a tariff on raw materials. This would make the Great Depression look lie a picnic.

2. Do nothing in Ukraine. Let the Russians have it, honor our commitments to NATO and fight a series of wars across Seven NATO member.

3. Arm Ukraine. Spend a few hundred billion to Russian dry, bring the the edge of bankruptcy, leave much of a generation of their young men dead on the battle field, and leave them too exhausted for foreign adventures for the next 30 years, and make China reconsider it's plans for foreign adventures for a long time as well.

For anyone who can think past the nose on their own face, this is an easy call.

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It’s little wonder you thought COVID farts was gonna kill you.

What a fugking idiot.