Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

Ok, you give Russia all of Europe. All the heavy industry in Germany, warm water ports, and a population twice that of the United States.

Then what happens?

If the former Soviet Union could support 240 divisions, how many could the support with all of Europe?

What's that do to the world economy?

How about the Middle east? Can they have that next? How about South Africa and the other rare earth mineral producing parts of Africa?

Do we get Russians back in Cuba, and Venezuela, Grenada, Argentina?

What about Guatemala and Nicaragua?

How about Mexico? Can they have Mexico?

What fight would you choose with the Russians, Americans along the Rio Grande, or Ukrainians along the Dnipro?
You start this argument with a faulty premise: Europe isn't ours, therefore we can't "give" it to anyone.

Well there is that but also the point that our former government actually wanted to stop the spread of communism. There is no will for that anymore. Communism is promoted and inundates us daily and iys effects evident in the far less than red wave we see in this election cycle. Russia won't need or likely want Canada or Mexico when what everyone, all countries, understand is that US policy is now solely based on keeping secrets hidden and maintaining the money laundering. If Russia captures all of Europe and the mayor of Moscow can just write another check to Hunter B or whoever in our state department -and the Big Guy gets his 10% - there will be no moral outrage or call for anything. Ask the kids that were victims of those on Ghislaine Maxwell's list or Hunter Biden's laptop. As Joe himself just said- Good Luck with that.

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