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"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.
"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.
"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement. ,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions. ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds...... ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers. Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread. The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass.
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What Happened to JFK’s Brain?
Where is JFK’s brain? Though no one knows for sure, a number of theories have emerged in the past several decades.
Conspiracy theorists suggest that JFK’s brain holds the truth
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"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.
"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.
"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement. ,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions. ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds...... ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers. Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread. The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass. Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's. All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO
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Shoot a watermelon and tell me which direction the bullet came from.
Dealy Plaza is small. Really really small. The so-called grassy knoll would have been an incredibly stupid spot for an assassin. First, in order to hide behind the fence, you’re basically hanging out in a parking lot. Second, it’s a really bad shot angle. It’s a crossing angle on a moving target. It’s a fairly difficult shot, or could be. Third, the fence is only about three and half or four feet tall. Someone is going to see you. Fourth, if someone shot a centerfire rifle that close to people, there would have been absolutely no doubt. And frankly, I don’t care what books you’ve read about it or whatever, I’ve been there. I know. And if you’ve been there and you disagree, you’re wrong. It’s that simple.
If there would have been second shooters the best place for those would have been on the railroad bridge at the overpass. The very best spot probably would have been just off of it diagonally across the plaza from the car. It’s a virtual head on straight shot. No lead needed.
Of course, the very best spot was from where Oswald was perched. It’s a very easy shot from there.
I think Oswald did the shooting and if he was part of something bigger, he wasn’t meant to get away. The mob and the government have a long history of using lone nuts to do shootings. Oswald fit that bill. If this were today instead of 1963, Oswald on everything from his whacky politics, difficult upbringing, failed relationships, past contacts with the FBI and so on and so forth would make the perfect school or Wal-Mart mass shooter. He fits the bill perfectly. And almost all of those guys either off themselves or get shot by the cops. Pretty good chance Tibbets was supposed to shoot him and Oswald beat him to it.
No need for massive conspiracies with a million moving parts and ridiculous happenings. One nut put up to do a killing and maybe as few as a half a dozen people knew what went down in its entirety. Others might have suspected after the fact, but almost no one KNEW.
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"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.
"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.
"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement. ,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions. ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds...... ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers. Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread. The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass. Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's. All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO .........Evidence bitch. Ya need evidence?.....I guess you cannot read or you are just plain stupid?....Perhaps you have a comprehension problem?....I just laid out the evidence for ya there Grizzy using physics and forensics as was also the conclusion of the experts in pathology....You say above that there were no bullets or fragments found other than from Oswald's rifle??? 😂 😂....Oh yeah? Care to comment about the bullet fragments removed from Connolly which by the way DID NOT COME FROM OSWALDS RIFLE???? How about that Grizzy!!!.....Ya know what....You really are a lil immature p**CK, who during this entire thread has not presented any evidence whatsoever which supports your conclusion that Oswald acted alone.....All u can do is make a damned fool of yourself citing NO FORENSICS NOR BALLISTIC LAW that support any of your opinions.....Well I did azz hole and I'll stand by that....So you just continue to be a WC Oswald acted alone fool, while I use basic laws of physics and forensics which supports multiple shooters.....Cuz ya there Grizzy boy ..You cannot and did not anywhere on this thread use any forensics nor any laws of physics to support your conclusion that Oswald acted alone....Why? Because you cannot....You are nothing more than an opinionated fool who relies on nothing more than his personal opinion....Not good enough Grizz to make your case let alone make your case in any court of law....You would be a disgrace if in the legal profession trying to make your case valid based on nothing more than blathering opinion....You are great at that. But horrible presenting any bonafide evidence that clearly supports your opinions ...
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"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.
"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.
"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement. ,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions. ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds...... ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers. Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread. The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass. Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's. All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO Careful grizz big sleeze will threaten to MMA your azz. LOL
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For those who believe the Warren Commission. Explain Jack Ruby.
Jack Ruby was such a patriot that he fell compelled to kill Oswald?
He ran a mob owned strip joint and was a member of the Chicago Outfit for Sam Giancanna.
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Well, this has gone on swimmingly...
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"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.
"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.
"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement. ,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions. ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds...... ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers. Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread. The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass. Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's. All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO .........Evidence bitch. Ya need evidence?.....I guess you cannot read or you are just plain stupid?....Perhaps you have a comprehension problem?....I just laid out the evidence for ya there Grizzy using physics and forensics as was also the conclusion of the experts in pathology....You say above that there were no bullets or fragments found other than from Oswald's rifle??? 😂 😂....Oh yeah? Care to comment about the bullet fragments removed from Connolly which by the way DID NOT COME FROM OSWALDS RIFLE???? How about that Grizzy!!!.....Ya know what....You really are a lil immature p**CK, who during this entire thread has not presented any evidence whatsoever which supports your conclusion that Oswald acted alone.....All u can do is make a damned fool of yourself citing NO FORENSICS NOR BALLISTIC LAW that support any of your opinions.....Well I did azz hole and I'll stand by that....So you just continue to be a WC Oswald acted alone fool, while I use basic laws of physics and forensics which supports multiple shooters.....Cuz ya there Grizzy boy ..You cannot and did not anywhere on this thread use any forensics nor any laws of physics to support your conclusion that Oswald acted alone....Why? Because you cannot....You are nothing more than an opinionated fool who relies on nothing more than his personal opinion....Not good enough Grizz to make your case let alone make your case in any court of law....You would be a disgrace if in the legal profession trying to make your case valid based on nothing more than blathering opinion....You are great at that. But horrible presenting any bonafide evidence that clearly supports your opinions ... Click your heels Sleeze and wish upon a star and all your conspiracy theories will come true... What a dumb fuqk. LOL
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For those who believe the Warren Commission. Explain Jack Ruby.
Jack Ruby was such a patriot that he fell compelled to kill Oswald?
He ran a mob owned strip joint and was a member of the Chicago Outfit for Sam Giancanna.
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"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.
"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.
"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement. ,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions. ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds...... ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers. Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread. The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass. Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's. All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO .........Evidence bitch. Ya need evidence?.....I guess you cannot read or you are just plain stupid?....Perhaps you have a comprehension problem?....I just laid out the evidence for ya there Grizzy using physics and forensics as was also the conclusion of the experts in pathology....You say above that there were no bullets or fragments found other than from Oswald's rifle??? 😂 😂....Oh yeah? Care to comment about the bullet fragments removed from Connolly which by the way DID NOT COME FROM OSWALDS RIFLE???? How about that Grizzy!!!.....Ya know what....You really are a lil immature p**CK, who during this entire thread has not presented any evidence whatsoever which supports your conclusion that Oswald acted alone.....All u can do is make a damned fool of yourself citing NO FORENSICS NOR BALLISTIC LAW that support any of your opinions.....Well I did azz hole and I'll stand by that....So you just continue to be a WC Oswald acted alone fool, while I use basic laws of physics and forensics which supports multiple shooters.....Cuz ya there Grizzy boy ..You cannot and did not anywhere on this thread use any forensics nor any laws of physics to support your conclusion that Oswald acted alone....Why? Because you cannot....You are nothing more than an opinionated fool who relies on nothing more than his personal opinion....Not good enough Grizz to make your case let alone make your case in any court of law....You would be a disgrace if in the legal profession trying to make your case valid based on nothing more than blathering opinion....You are great at that. But horrible presenting any bonafide evidence that clearly supports your opinions ... Click your heels Sleeze and wish upon a star and all your conspiracy theories will come true... What a dumb fuqk. LOL ...... 😂...Your last post clearly defines you as an opinionated idiot.....And as usual you offer nothing as I could have predicted....You have addressed nothing. You can't even offer any mature rebuttals to anything I've mentioned....Nothing.....You are an immature bafoonish stupid clown.....Dumb [bleep]???.....The real dumb [bleep] is yourself. You couldn't offer any evidence based on forensics, ballistics nor anything else that supports Oswald acted alone even if your pathetic useless and immature life depended on it.....That's quite clear based on all of your postings on this thread....You couldn't debate your azz out from the bottom of a wet paper bag.....The experts in the field of forensics and pathology I'll rely upon vs your ridiculous wisdom that relies upon nothing whatsoever.....
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G. Robert Blakey, chief counsel for the House Select Committee on Assassinations from 1977 to 1979, said: "The most plausible explanation for the murder of Oswald by Jack Ruby was that Ruby had stalked him on behalf of organized crime, trying to reach him on at least three occasions in the forty-eight hours before he silenced him forever."[69]
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Chicago plot 3 weeks earlier. There was another patsy set up like Oswald https://abc7chicago.com/archive/5787903/The Chicago Plot and the Dallas Plot Threats of violence against political figures happen all the time. The significance of the Chicago plot, if there was one, rested on its apparent similarities to the events in Dallas three weeks later. In particular, there were several similarities between the career of Lee Harvey Oswald and Thomas Arthur Vallee’s account of his own career: Both were former Marines. Both had served at Marine bases in Japan that hosted the U–2 spy plane: Oswald at Atsugi, Vallee at Camp Otsu. Both had been involved with anti–Castro Cubans: Oswald in New Orleans, Vallee at a training camp at Levittown on Long Island, New York. Both had recently started working at premises that overlooked the routes of presidential parades: Oswald at the Texas School Book Depository on Elm Street in Dallas, Vallee at IPP Litho–Plate at 625 West Jackson Boulevard in Chicago. There were two other curious coincidences: The tip–off to the FBI about the assassination plot in Chicago came from an informant identified only as ‘Lee’. In the first few weeks after the assassination, there were rumours that Lee Oswald had been a paid informant of the FBI. Thomas Vallee was arrested at 9:10am Chicago time, having been under constant surveillance since the previous day. Five minutes later, at 10:15 Washington time, President Kennedy’s press spokesman, Pierre Salinger, announced that the visit to Chicago had been cancelled. The decision to cancel the trip had presumably been made several minutes earlier. The timing has led some commentators to conclude that Vallee was allowed to remain on the streets until he was no longer required to perform his unwitting role as designated patsy.
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Chicago plot 3 weeks earlier. There was another patsy set up like Oswald https://abc7chicago.com/archive/5787903/The Chicago Plot and the Dallas Plot Threats of violence against political figures happen all the time. The significance of the Chicago plot, if there was one, rested on its apparent similarities to the events in Dallas three weeks later. In particular, there were several similarities between the career of Lee Harvey Oswald and Thomas Arthur Vallee’s account of his own career: Both were former Marines. Both had served at Marine bases in Japan that hosted the U–2 spy plane: Oswald at Atsugi, Vallee at Camp Otsu. Both had been involved with anti–Castro Cubans: Oswald in New Orleans, Vallee at a training camp at Levittown on Long Island, New York. Both had recently started working at premises that overlooked the routes of presidential parades: Oswald at the Texas School Book Depository on Elm Street in Dallas, Vallee at IPP Litho–Plate at 625 West Jackson Boulevard in Chicago. There were two other curious coincidences: The tip–off to the FBI about the assassination plot in Chicago came from an informant identified only as ‘Lee’. In the first few weeks after the assassination, there were rumours that Lee Oswald had been a paid informant of the FBI. Thomas Vallee was arrested at 9:10am Chicago time, having been under constant surveillance since the previous day. Five minutes later, at 10:15 Washington time, President Kennedy’s press spokesman, Pierre Salinger, announced that the visit to Chicago had been cancelled. The decision to cancel the trip had presumably been made several minutes earlier. The timing has led some commentators to conclude that Vallee was allowed to remain on the streets until he was no longer required to perform his unwitting role as designated patsy. There was no Chicago plot. https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/paul-bleau-and-the-supposed-chicago-plot-against-jfk
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