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Given that the US couldn't handle Afghniastan and Iraq, the answer is quite obvious. We will Never know if the US Military could defeat Afghanistan or Iraq, as victory was NEVER part of the Plan. the US has lost every war since 1945. Against backward small third world countries with no nukes, no air assets, no drones, no navies after invading them for no justifiable reason. so now were going to war against two of the most powerful countries at the same time with nukes, navies, nuke subs, satellites, heavy air assets, heavy arty and tank units and drones? Are we going to draft women to win? lol Agreed. It's all spelled out in the Good Book anyway.
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so now were going to war against two of the most powerful countries Russia, with over 90% of its military deployed against it, can't even gain ground against Ukraine. lol Wars only last a few months? It's the US, England, Poland, Germany, France, Belgium, Italy, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Ukraine against Russia The US just lost a 20 year war against goat herders lwith Stone Age technology and fled in a hurry leaving billions in weapons behind.
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Given that the US couldn't handle Afghniastan and Iraq, the answer is quite obvious. We will Never know if the US Military could defeat Afghanistan or Iraq, as victory was NEVER part of the Plan. the US has lost every war since 1945. Against backward small third world countries with no nukes, no air assets, no drones, no navies after invading them for no justifiable reason. so now were going to war against two of the most powerful countries at the same time with nukes, navies, nuke subs, satellites, heavy air assets, heavy arty and tank units and drones? Are we going to draft women to win? lol The US apparently don't know how to fight to win any more and if you're not going to fight to win you'd best not be poking the tiger!
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For China to be a major player they need to figure out how to stop importing oil and food. They wouldn’t last long with the oil flow cut off from places like Saudi Arabia and the USA. Russia can only supply do much and it wouldn’t be hard to disrupt that. It’s not like China can build new pipelines from Russia overnight.
Food is another major issue for China. They import a ton of it. Their best food source in a war would be themselves.
I think a better match up would be China and Japan, with no assistance from USA. My money would be on Japan.
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so now were going to war against two of the most powerful countries Russia, with over 90% of its military deployed against it, can't even gain ground against Ukraine. lol Wars only last a few months? It's the US, England, Poland, Germany, France, Belgium, Italy, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Ukraine against Russia The US just lost a 20 year war against goat herders lwith Stone Age technology and fled in a hurry leaving billions in weapons behind. You know very well that those weren’t wars in the traditional sense where one side would surrender. Other than genocide there was no ending or traditional victory that ever could be obtained.
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For China to be a major player they need to figure out how to stop importing oil and food. They wouldn’t last long with the oil flow cut off from places like Saudi Arabia and the USA. Russia can only supply do much and it wouldn’t be hard to disrupt that. It’s not like China can build new pipelines from Russia overnight.
Food is another major issue for China. They import a ton of it. Their best food source in a war would be themselves.
I think a better match up would be China and Japan, with no assistance from USA. My money would be on Japan. How large is Japan's army now? around 247, 000 vs over 2 million? Have you followed Japan's economy the past 40 years and their demographics? How much oil and steel does Japan produce in order to go to war ?
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why did we invade those countries and start wars if there was no winning? so now were going to war against two of the most powerful countries Russia, with over 90% of its military deployed against it, can't even gain ground against Ukraine. lol Wars only last a few months? It's the US, England, Poland, Germany, France, Belgium, Italy, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Ukraine against Russia The US just lost a 20 year war against goat herders lwith Stone Age technology and fled in a hurry leaving billions in weapons behind. You know very well that those weren’t wars in the traditional sense where one side would surrender. Other than genocide there was no ending or traditional victory that ever could be obtained.
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The US just lost a 20 year war against goat herders lwith Stone Age technology and fled in a hurry leaving billions in weapons behind. The way we pulled out of Afghanistan was a mistake. But we occupied that country for 20 years and got tired of it. Waging a conventional war against Russia and/or China against conventional forces is a different matter. We're not talking about occupying China for 20 years or more; it's about whether we could defeat their forces that could harm us.
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The US just lost a 20 year war against goat herders lwith Stone Age technology and fled in a hurry leaving billions in weapons behind. The way we pulled out of Afghanistan was a mistake. But we occupied that country for 20 years and got tired of it. Waging a conventional war against Russia and/or China against conventional forces is a different matter. so the US lost the war after 20 years and billions of dollars. I forgot why did we invade Afghanistan? Because all of the 911 terrorists were born and trained there? lol Like a conventional wars we lost in Korea and Vietnam?
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Ribka,
That’s a totally different issue.
The issue is you posting we lost over war since 1945 multiple times on this forum. You like to insinuate that the US military is weak and we were bested by goat herders.
You know full well that isn’t true.
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The US just lost a 20 year war against goat herders lwith Stone Age technology and fled in a hurry leaving billions in weapons behind. The way we pulled out of Afghanistan was a mistake. But we occupied that country for 20 years and got tired of it. Waging a conventional war against Russia and/or China against conventional forces is a different matter. so the US lost the war after 20 years and billions of dollars. I forgot why did we invade Afghanistan? Because all of the 911 terrorists were born and trained there? lol Like a conventional we lost in Korea and Vietnam? What would "winning" Afghanistan look like?
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Ribka,
That’s a totally different issue.
The issue is you posting we lost over war since 1945 multiple times on this forum. You like to insinuate that the US military is weak and we were bested by goat herders.
You know full well that isn’t true. How many countries has the US invaded since 1945 and how many wars has the US won? How many American casualties? How many civilians did the US kill in all of these wars? Did Russia and China invade the US and that's we are going to war with them now? Im confused
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What would "winning" Afghanistan look like? I think that's the biggest problem, Teal. Our "planners" have no idea when the war is over, much less what the situation will look like after we leave.
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Well for starters, our manufacturing capacity for ammunition is insufficient and fragile.
A little dust-up in two zip codes of Ukraine has already brought us to our knees.
One choke point is powder production;
"Mysterious" explosions will occur at the GD plants in St. Marks, FL (ball powder) and and Valleyfield, Ontario, Canada (stick powder). Two, that's it.
The Russians and Chinese will torpedo boats carrying anything over to us from Australia and or northern Europe, assuming their plants haven't blown-up as well.
We are finished at that point.
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We were nation building and going to establish a democratic led government there. At least thats what they told us. lol Of course well all know it was never possible and we ended up using troops to guard their heroin operations. We were also told that Afghan men raping young boys was totally normal and to just accept it The US invades countries fo no reason. Bombs the schit out of the civilian populations then we ask them to be our friends. Yeah, the US could kick Russia and China's arse. Hopefully we can import our way of life snd have drag queen strip shows for Russian and Chinese children when we conquer them on our military bases like we do here The US just lost a 20 year war against goat herders lwith Stone Age technology and fled in a hurry leaving billions in weapons behind. The way we pulled out of Afghanistan was a mistake. But we occupied that country for 20 years and got tired of it. Waging a conventional war against Russia and/or China against conventional forces is a different matter. so the US lost the war after 20 years and billions of dollars. I forgot why did we invade Afghanistan? Because all of the 911 terrorists were born and trained there? lol Like a conventional we lost in Korea and Vietnam? What would "winning" Afghanistan look like?
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Ribka,
That’s a totally different issue.
The issue is you posting we lost over war since 1945 multiple times on this forum. You like to insinuate that the US military is weak and we were bested by goat herders.
You know full well that isn’t true. How many countries has the US invaded since 1945 and how many wars has the US won? How many American casualties? How many civilians did the US kill in all of these wars? Did Russia and China invade the US and that's we are going to war with them now? Im confused I know you want to stray from the issue. That’s fine. Keep coming here day after day fervently posting to convince people that America is weak can can’t win wars against goat herders. Seems to be a full time job for you. Others have accused you of being a Russian bot. I won’t go that far.
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Curious....What makes everyone think any war with Russia/China would be over there?
Why wouldn't they simply bring it here?
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Curious....What makes everyone think any war with Russia/China would be over there?
Why wouldn't they simply bring it here? Curious....What makes everyone think any war with Russia/China would be over there?
Why wouldn't they simply bring it here? U.S. Navy.
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what's a Russian bot Calvin? Is that someone who serves in the US military now? Ribka,
That’s a totally different issue.
The issue is you posting we lost over war since 1945 multiple times on this forum. You like to insinuate that the US military is weak and we were bested by goat herders.
You know full well that isn’t true. How many countries has the US invaded since 1945 and how many wars has the US won? How many American casualties? How many civilians did the US kill in all of these wars? Did Russia and China invade the US and that's we are going to war with them now? Im confused I know you want to stray from the issue. That’s fine. Keep coming here day after day fervently posting to convince people that America is weak can can’t win wars against goat herders. Seems to be a full time job for you. Others have accused you of being a Russian bot. I won’t go that far.
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