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With the way projectile development has gone, it'd be foolish to introduce a long-action that didn't house at least a 3.7" COAL. Wilson could skip the 24 and 28 altogether and just go straight to the 32 that already has the longer box. Given the option, almost everyone would gladly pay 4Oz for all the COAL in the belly they ever wanted or needed. I think you're right. But, it is a 32oz action, right? Not 40oz. There was a Model 40 but, it was bigger than the 32. So, my 5.98lb 7PRC becomes a 6.23lb 7PRC or with the bottom metal and different stock - 6.5lb 7PRC (24" #2 contour barrel) but, holds 3 in the mag and gives the kissers room to kiss. Makes sense. Still a super light big 7. And, makes my rifle a bit more of a unicorn and all the more dear to my heart.
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With the way projectile development has gone, it'd be foolish to introduce a long-action that didn't house at least a 3.7" COAL. Wilson could skip the 24 and 28 altogether and just go straight to the 32 that already has the longer box. Given the option, almost everyone would gladly pay 4Oz for all the COAL in the belly they ever wanted or needed. I think you're right. But, it is a 32oz action, right? Not 40oz. There was a Model 40 but, it was bigger than the 32. I should've put a space between 4 and Oz. I meant folks would pay 4 Oz (32 vs. 28) to have the COAL. There was a "short" magnum version too, but I don't recall if it was a 28 or 32. The 28 as a "Short Mag" action w/3.34" mag box would probably suffice, but, then @ 3.34", is it really a "short" action? I guess what I was really getting at is that I wouldn't offer less than a 3.7" box for anything in the 62MM-68MM case length families ('06, 264/7Rem/338, 300Win, etc).
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I should've put a space between 4 and Oz. I meant folks would pay 4 Oz (32 vs. 28) to have the COAL. There was a "short" magnum version too, but I don't recall if it was a 28 or 32.
The 28 as a "Short Mag" action w/3.34" mag box would probably suffice, but, then @ 3.34", is it really a "short" action?
I guess what I was really getting at is that I wouldn't offer less than a 3.7" box for anything in the 62MM-68MM case length families ('06, 264/7Rem/338, 300Win, etc). Ah, my bad. We're on the same page. The 32 makes the most sense for those.
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This thread was entertaining. Thank you all. Lol
It’s incredible the folks telling Bill his problem is barrel twist rates when the real problem is WC bought the IP and didn’t rebrand it.
Changing the platform is fine, but calling it something it’s not when there was over a year’s time before the marketing releases, and then coming on to a forum to try and line people out about the product? You should probably consider chewing on someone’s ass that’s on your payroll for mishandling the development/marketing/product lifecycle plan instead of making a keyboard plea.
It’s like remakes of classic movies or a franchise/brand “reboot”. It’s never as good as the original (even though it actually may be) because you no longer possess the nostalgia/experience/status.
The dang things should’ve been called something else- I came up with a few ideas while typing up this post. No linkage to the ULAs, NULAs, CLRs or Forbes guns. It would be a WC gun, and you wouldn’t even think about being on here to defend the product because it would be judged by what it “is” and not against what it’s not- leaving you to shoot pigs in your twilight years while enabling your investment to be accretive.
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Obviously,the script has fallen into numerous hands through the years and for numerous reasons. As horrible of a job that Colt did on the platform,Ronnie did the EXACT opposite and simply surpassed Mel's BEST fhuqking efforts. That's not a Melvin Slam,but rather a Ronnie Accolade. Hint.
Ronnie did/do understand Mechanics and simply aligned the platform,to shine brightly in ALL avenues. He fhuqking NAILED RPM and throat geometry,better than anyone and everyone,before during or since. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.
He made receivers outta S/S,D&T'd (5) 8-40's atop same and the end results were/are without peer. To come in behind THE pinnacle and Goat Fhuqk the lineage,is a crying fhuqking shame. The heartbeat of EVERY fhuqking rifle is RPM/Throat Geometry/COAL and to purposely Goat Fhuqk that,blows my mind. Blue Haired Cat Lady Notions,are beyond "peculiar". Hint.
It is plum AMAZING to me,how very little Manufacturers "know" or shoot. Hint...............
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Obviously,the script has fallen into numerous hands through the years and for numerous reasons. As horrible of a job that Colt did on the platform,Ronnie did the EXACT opposite and simply surpassed Mel's BEST fhuqking efforts. That's not a Melvin Slam,but rather a Ronnie Accolade. Hint.
Ronnie did/do understand Mechanics and simply aligned the platform,to shine brightly in ALL avenues. He fhuqking NAILED RPM and throat geometry,better than anyone and everyone,before during or since. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.
He made receivers outta S/S,D&T'd (5) 8-40's atop same and the end results were/are without peer. To come in behind THE pinnacle and Goat Fhuqk the lineage,is a crying fhuqking shame. The heartbeat of EVERY fhuqking rifle is RPM/Throat Geometry/COAL and to purposely Goat Fhuqk that,blows my mind. Blue Haired Cat Lady Notions,are beyond "peculiar". Hint.
It is plum AMAZING to me,how very little Manufacturers "know" or shoot. Hint............... I don’t see your posts unless I’m logged out and scrolling. This one really intrigued me. If you’re so damn smart and know what good rifle is and should be, why do you remain an Alaskan hillbilly bumpkin instead of starting a gun company and becoming a successful narcissist instead of a plain-ass narcissist? I’m genuinely intrigued, and I have capital on standby to use if you genuinely have the knowledge, skills and initiative to make something happen. I think my capital would be better spent in ammo manufacturing considering the supply chain and geopolitical issues limiting consumer supply; but you have my attention if you have genuine expertise, and not a bunch of empty green ammo boxes with yellow pen paint on them and hand-me-down po’boy rifles.
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Obviously,the script has fallen into numerous hands through the years and for numerous reasons. As horrible of a job that Colt did on the platform,Ronnie did the EXACT opposite and simply surpassed Mel's BEST fhuqking efforts. That's not a Melvin Slam,but rather a Ronnie Accolade. Hint.
Ronnie did/do understand Mechanics and simply aligned the platform,to shine brightly in ALL avenues. He fhuqking NAILED RPM and throat geometry,better than anyone and everyone,before during or since. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.
He made receivers outta S/S,D&T'd (5) 8-40's atop same and the end results were/are without peer. To come in behind THE pinnacle and Goat Fhuqk the lineage,is a crying fhuqking shame. The heartbeat of EVERY fhuqking rifle is RPM/Throat Geometry/COAL and to purposely Goat Fhuqk that,blows my mind. Blue Haired Cat Lady Notions,are beyond "peculiar". Hint.
It is plum AMAZING to me,how very little Manufacturers "know" or shoot. Hint............... I don’t see your posts unless I’m logged out and scrolling. This one really intrigued me. If you’re so damn smart and know what good rifle is and should be, why do you remain an Alaskan hillbilly bumpkin instead of starting a gun company and becoming a successful narcissist instead of a plain-ass narcissist? I’m genuinely intrigued, and I have capital on standby to use if you genuinely have the knowledge, skills and initiative to make something happen. I think my capital would be better spent in ammo manufacturing considering the supply chain and geopolitical issues limiting consumer supply; but you have my attention if you have genuine expertise, and not a bunch of empty green ammo boxes with yellow pen paint on them and hand-me-down po’boy rifles. You sure you want to be in business with Fetterman?
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Imaginary Pretend Ignore is funnier than fhuqk! Hint.
THE Blueprint is plainly outlined(by me). Hint.
Pardon my being afforded the luxuries,of not being forced to guess,as you Pretend aloud. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Obviously,the script has fallen into numerous hands through the years and for numerous reasons. As horrible of a job that Colt did on the platform,Ronnie did the EXACT opposite and simply surpassed Mel's BEST fhuqking efforts. That's not a Melvin Slam,but rather a Ronnie Accolade. Hint.
Ronnie did/do understand Mechanics and simply aligned the platform,to shine brightly in ALL avenues. He fhuqking NAILED RPM and throat geometry,better than anyone and everyone,before during or since. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.
He made receivers outta S/S,D&T'd (5) 8-40's atop same and the end results were/are without peer. To come in behind THE pinnacle and Goat Fhuqk the lineage,is a crying fhuqking shame. The heartbeat of EVERY fhuqking rifle is RPM/Throat Geometry/COAL and to purposely Goat Fhuqk that,blows my mind. Blue Haired Cat Lady Notions,are beyond "peculiar". Hint.
It is plum AMAZING to me,how very little Manufacturers "know" or shoot. Hint............... I don’t see your posts unless I’m logged out and scrolling. This one really intrigued me. If you’re so damn smart and know what good rifle is and should be, why do you remain an Alaskan hillbilly bumpkin instead of starting a gun company and becoming a successful narcissist instead of a plain-ass narcissist? I’m genuinely intrigued, and I have capital on standby to use if you genuinely have the knowledge, skills and initiative to make something happen. I think my capital would be better spent in ammo manufacturing considering the supply chain and geopolitical issues limiting consumer supply; but you have my attention if you have genuine expertise, and not a bunch of empty green ammo boxes with yellow pen paint on them and hand-me-down po’boy rifles. You sure you want to be in business with Fetterman? I gave him a chance and he articulated he doesn’t know anything of value, nor does he possess the fortitude to take initiative. I’ll be sure to scroll only while logged in so the ignore feature is in full effect.
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Your Delusional Dumbfhuqktitude,is simply MAGNIFICENT in it's Oblivious Grandeur...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Keep Pretending aloud,as you fill out more Hurt Feeler Reports. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
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I gave him a chance and he articulated he doesn’t know anything of value, nor does he possess the fortitude to take initiative.
I’ll be sure to scroll only while logged in so the ignore feature is in full effect. Your Delusional Dumbfhuqktitude,is simply MAGNIFICENT in it's Oblivious Grandeur...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Keep Pretending aloud,as you fill out more Hurt Feeler Reports. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............. Well BigGrz, you certainly pushed his "meltdown" button there!
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I gave him a chance and he articulated he doesn’t know anything of value, nor does he possess the fortitude to take initiative.
I’ll be sure to scroll only while logged in so the ignore feature is in full effect. Your Delusional Dumbfhuqktitude,is simply MAGNIFICENT in it's Oblivious Grandeur...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Keep Pretending aloud,as you fill out more Hurt Feeler Reports. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............. Well BigGrz, you certainly pushed his "meltdown" button there! LOL! Thanks for quoting him. I would’ve missed that horseshit gibberish.
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[/quote] horseshit gibberish.[/quote]
Even when there may be a hint of actual knowledge/experience trying to be shared, the message is 99% horseshit gibberish.
Wish Wilson the best of luck in this endeavor, but can't see much of a market for a 3k semi-factory rifle.
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Big Stick, maybe some firearms company CEOs or owners don't shoot, but I'm on the range almost every day testing Lehigh Defense and Wilson Combat products. In addition I hog hunt around 300 days a year and during deer season (Oct-Feb) I deer hunt almost every day. My typical day is a 2 hour hunt in the morning, on the range on/off during the day and start hunting about 2 hours before dark then on into the night with thermal for hogs. Living on a 8600 acre Texas ranch with access to surrounding properties provides me with a 14,000 acre playground. From 2020-2022 I averaged 539 hog kills per year.
My good friend Jason Vanderbrink (CEO of CCI, Federal, Remington and Speer) is also an avid shooter and hunts all over the world.
I do have to admit though, I'm not into this whole long range hunting thing. I will turn 70 in a few weeks and I've been hunting since I was 10 years old. I've shot exactly 3 animals (2 deer and a Eland) at a range over 300 yards. In my "opinion" if you can't get closer than 300 yards for the shot you should work on your stalking skills! I would be that the average distance game is taken in the eastern half of the country is well under 200 yards. So, terminal bullet performance is much more important for most hunters than a high BC. So, at current pricing, about $11/Yd of effective range out to 300yds for a NULA?
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So, at current pricing, about $11/Yd of effective range out to 300yds for a NULA? For one hunt. Goes down for each subsequent hunt.
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One of the many differences I'm seeing between Stick and BWilson is that Stick doesn't pretend to be polite.
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One of the many differences I'm seeing between Stick and BWilson is that Stick doesn't pretend to be polite. Lol
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After the Wilson Combat/Larry Vickers ordeal.....
Fuuckkeem. Wouldn't have one.
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This latest Wilson version is my favorite (with the addition of bottom metal especially) I may try one in .308 Win but the non-stainless reciever is a let-down for Me....best of luck to Mr. Wilsons new rifle 👍....Hb
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After the Wilson Combat/Larry Vickers ordeal.....
Fuuckkeem. Wouldn't have one. Who was the guilty party?
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