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I'll use you lots words and be done. "you believe what you wish as will I" No ill will here etc I'm out, have a good life! JAMA did that study. They have proven to be not trustworthy. Big Pharma, WHO, CDC, FAUCI INC., WEF, BIDEN, U.S. Government likewise. Figures lie when liars figure. Being caught in a kind of Grand Conspiracy Mindset, you guys simply dismiss anything and everything that doesn't fit your mental image of the world. You have it backwards; it is those who push Ivermectin against all evidence who engage dishonestly; ''The health authorities in the US, UK and EU have found there is insufficient evidence for using the drug against Covid, but thousands of supporters, many of them anti-vaccine activists, have continued to vigorously campaign for its use. Campaigners for the drug point to a number of scientific studies and often claim this evidence is being ignored or covered up. But a review by a group of independent scientists has cast serious doubt on that body of research. The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness. Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study". Major problems included: The same patient data being used multiple times for supposedly different people Evidence that selection of patients for test groups was not random Numbers unlikely to occur naturally Percentages calculated incorrectly Local health bodies unaware of the studies The scientists in the group - Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz, Dr James Heathers, Dr Nick Brown and Dr Sheldrick - each have a track record of exposing dodgy science. They've been working together remotely on an informal and voluntary basis during the pandemic. They formed a group looking deeper into ivermectin studies after biomedical student Jack Lawrence spotted problems with an influential study from Egypt. Among other issues, it contained patients who turned out to have died before the trial started. It has now been retracted by the journal that published it. The group of independent scientists examined virtually every randomised controlled trial (RCT) on ivermectin and Covid - in theory the highest quality evidence - including all the key studies regularly cited by the drug's promoters. RCTs involve people being randomly chosen to receive either the drug which is being tested or a placebo - a dummy drug with no active properties.'' ''Out of a total of 26 studies examined, there was evidence in five that the data may have been faked - for example they contained virtually impossible numbers or rows of identical patients copied and pasted. In a further five there were major red flags - for example, numbers didn't add up, percentages were calculated incorrectly or local health bodies weren't aware they had taken place. On top of these flawed trials, there were 14 authors of studies who failed to send data back. The independent scientists have flagged this as a possible indicator of fraud. The sample of research papers examined by the independent group also contains some high-quality studies from around the world. But the major problems were all in the studies making big claims for ivermectin - in fact, the bigger the claim in terms of lives saved or infections prevented, the greater the concerns suggesting it might be faked or invalid, the researchers discovered.'' https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809Well, I guess that settles it. None of the folks that compiled all that information had any reason to lie. Or did they? Remember, figures lie when liars figure.[/quote] The thing with science is that you can check the methodology and test the results. As the results show up in multiple randomized trials, the likelyhood of everyone lying is absurd. You don't like the results, so dismiss the studies without consideration. Just as you dismiss the fact that dodgy practices were uncovered in the Ivermectin studies. Believe whatever you like, but don't pretend that you have evidence on your side.
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Everyone we know that got covid, and took ivermectin, survived. Thats only the evidence that it is.
It either says one of three things. It means nothing statistically. Covid wasn't nearly as bad as it was said to be, especially if treated asap instead of stay home and if you think you are finally going to die come in and we will vent you until you are dead. Or that it works well against covid. As other things may also.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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what dodgy ivermectin studies? So just so we all understand the original covid vax prevented you from contracting and spreading covid? that is true according to you. lol pathological liar I'll use you lots words and be done. "you believe what you wish as will I" No ill will here etc I'm out, have a good life! JAMA did that study. They have proven to be not trustworthy. Big Pharma, WHO, CDC, FAUCI INC., WEF, BIDEN, U.S. Government likewise. Figures lie when liars figure. Being caught in a kind of Grand Conspiracy Mindset, you guys simply dismiss anything and everything that doesn't fit your mental image of the world. You have it backwards; it is those who push Ivermectin against all evidence who engage dishonestly; ''The health authorities in the US, UK and EU have found there is insufficient evidence for using the drug against Covid, but thousands of supporters, many of them anti-vaccine activists, have continued to vigorously campaign for its use. Campaigners for the drug point to a number of scientific studies and often claim this evidence is being ignored or covered up. But a review by a group of independent scientists has cast serious doubt on that body of research. The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness. Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study". Major problems included: The same patient data being used multiple times for supposedly different people Evidence that selection of patients for test groups was not random Numbers unlikely to occur naturally Percentages calculated incorrectly Local health bodies unaware of the studies The scientists in the group - Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz, Dr James Heathers, Dr Nick Brown and Dr Sheldrick - each have a track record of exposing dodgy science. They've been working together remotely on an informal and voluntary basis during the pandemic. They formed a group looking deeper into ivermectin studies after biomedical student Jack Lawrence spotted problems with an influential study from Egypt. Among other issues, it contained patients who turned out to have died before the trial started. It has now been retracted by the journal that published it. The group of independent scientists examined virtually every randomised controlled trial (RCT) on ivermectin and Covid - in theory the highest quality evidence - including all the key studies regularly cited by the drug's promoters. RCTs involve people being randomly chosen to receive either the drug which is being tested or a placebo - a dummy drug with no active properties.'' ''Out of a total of 26 studies examined, there was evidence in five that the data may have been faked - for example they contained virtually impossible numbers or rows of identical patients copied and pasted. In a further five there were major red flags - for example, numbers didn't add up, percentages were calculated incorrectly or local health bodies weren't aware they had taken place. On top of these flawed trials, there were 14 authors of studies who failed to send data back. The independent scientists have flagged this as a possible indicator of fraud. The sample of research papers examined by the independent group also contains some high-quality studies from around the world. But the major problems were all in the studies making big claims for ivermectin - in fact, the bigger the claim in terms of lives saved or infections prevented, the greater the concerns suggesting it might be faked or invalid, the researchers discovered.'' https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809Well, I guess that settles it. None of the folks that compiled all that information had any reason to lie. Or did they? Remember, figures lie when liars figure. The thing with science is that you can check the methodology and test the results. As the results show up in multiple randomized trials, the likelyhood of everyone lying is absurd. You don't like the results, so dismiss the studies without consideration. Just as you dismiss the fact that dodgy practices were uncovered in the Ivermectin studies. Believe whatever you like, but don't pretend that you have evidence on your side.[/quote]
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Everyone we know that got covid, and took ivermectin, survived. Thats only the evidence that it is.
It either says one of three things. It means nothing statistically. Covid wasn't nearly as bad as it was said to be, especially if treated asap instead of stay home and if you think you are finally going to die come in and we will vent you until you are dead. Or that it works well against covid. As other things may also. Most people I know got covid, didn't take any treatment, and survived. We experienced a 6 fold lower rate of death from covid than you guys - we must be an alpha species down here or something. We even survived the clot shots. And our horses had full access to their treatments and have itch-free orifices as far as I'm aware.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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what dodgy ivermectin studies? So just so we all understand the original covid vax prevented you from contracting and spreading covid? that is true according to you. lol pathological liar I'll use you lots words and be done. "you believe what you wish as will I" No ill will here etc I'm out, have a good life! JAMA did that study. They have proven to be not trustworthy. Big Pharma, WHO, CDC, FAUCI INC., WEF, BIDEN, U.S. Government likewise. Figures lie when liars figure. Being caught in a kind of Grand Conspiracy Mindset, you guys simply dismiss anything and everything that doesn't fit your mental image of the world. You have it backwards; it is those who push Ivermectin against all evidence who engage dishonestly; ''The health authorities in the US, UK and EU have found there is insufficient evidence for using the drug against Covid, but thousands of supporters, many of them anti-vaccine activists, have continued to vigorously campaign for its use. Campaigners for the drug point to a number of scientific studies and often claim this evidence is being ignored or covered up. But a review by a group of independent scientists has cast serious doubt on that body of research. The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness. Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study". Major problems included: The same patient data being used multiple times for supposedly different people Evidence that selection of patients for test groups was not random Numbers unlikely to occur naturally Percentages calculated incorrectly Local health bodies unaware of the studies The scientists in the group - Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz, Dr James Heathers, Dr Nick Brown and Dr Sheldrick - each have a track record of exposing dodgy science. They've been working together remotely on an informal and voluntary basis during the pandemic. They formed a group looking deeper into ivermectin studies after biomedical student Jack Lawrence spotted problems with an influential study from Egypt. Among other issues, it contained patients who turned out to have died before the trial started. It has now been retracted by the journal that published it. The group of independent scientists examined virtually every randomised controlled trial (RCT) on ivermectin and Covid - in theory the highest quality evidence - including all the key studies regularly cited by the drug's promoters. RCTs involve people being randomly chosen to receive either the drug which is being tested or a placebo - a dummy drug with no active properties.'' ''Out of a total of 26 studies examined, there was evidence in five that the data may have been faked - for example they contained virtually impossible numbers or rows of identical patients copied and pasted. In a further five there were major red flags - for example, numbers didn't add up, percentages were calculated incorrectly or local health bodies weren't aware they had taken place. On top of these flawed trials, there were 14 authors of studies who failed to send data back. The independent scientists have flagged this as a possible indicator of fraud. The sample of research papers examined by the independent group also contains some high-quality studies from around the world. But the major problems were all in the studies making big claims for ivermectin - in fact, the bigger the claim in terms of lives saved or infections prevented, the greater the concerns suggesting it might be faked or invalid, the researchers discovered.'' https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809Well, I guess that settles it. None of the folks that compiled all that information had any reason to lie. Or did they? Remember, figures lie when liars figure. The thing with science is that you can check the methodology and test the results. As the results show up in multiple randomized trials, the likelyhood of everyone lying is absurd. You don't like the results, so dismiss the studies without consideration. Just as you dismiss the fact that dodgy practices were uncovered in the Ivermectin studies. Believe whatever you like, but don't pretend that you have evidence on your side. Poor little Ribka - willfully dumb as f uck.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Everyone we know that got covid, and took ivermectin, survived. Thats only the evidence that it is.
It either says one of three things. It means nothing statistically. Covid wasn't nearly as bad as it was said to be, especially if treated asap instead of stay home and if you think you are finally going to die come in and we will vent you until you are dead. Or that it works well against covid. As other things may also. Most people I know got covid, didn't take any treatment, and survived. We experienced a 6 fold lower rate of death from covid than you guys - we must be an alpha species down here or something. We even survived the clot shots. And our horses had full access to their treatments and have itch-free orifices as far as I'm aware. LMAO ! An obedient Austard citizen/subject will never publicly post anything negative about the covid toxxine nor the facts about the fallout (death and illness) in Australia .... FACT jail and fines if an Aussie goes rogue with the truth, but none will .... They have spines of jellyfish
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Everyone we know that got covid, and took ivermectin, survived. Thats only the evidence that it is.
It either says one of three things. It means nothing statistically. Covid wasn't nearly as bad as it was said to be, especially if treated asap instead of stay home and if you think you are finally going to die come in and we will vent you until you are dead. Or that it works well against covid. As other things may also. Most people I know got covid, didn't take any treatment, and survived. We experienced a 6 fold lower rate of death from covid than you guys - we must be an alpha species down here or something. We even survived the clot shots. And our horses had full access to their treatments and have itch-free orifices as far as I'm aware. LMAO ! An obedient Austard citizen/subject will never publicly post anything negative about the covid toxxine nor the facts about the fallout (death and illness) in Australia .... FACT jail and fines if an Aussie goes rogue with the truth, but none will .... They have spines of jellyfish I've been providing facts, you've been providing Karenism at it's finest. Good luck with the Swamp - you must be proud of your "achievements", LOL!!!
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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what dodgy ivermectin studies? Did you even read the articles that have been posted? It seems not. You are someone who needs spoon feeding. Within weeks of the Monash study being published, research efforts were diverted to ivermectin and clinical trials were registered in several countries. Ivermectin, COVID-19, and making sense of scientific evidence ''In April, the American healthcare analytics company Surgisphere published a preprint (meaning it was not subjected to peer review) that purported to show a strong positive association between ivermectin and COVID-19 patient survival. Surgisphere would later be exposed for scientific fraud and the data would be retracted, but only after it had been used in studies published in the high-profile New England Journal of Medicine and The Lancet. Some countries included ivermectin in treatment guidelines. Enthusiasm for the drug continued unabated. An Iranian study showed an 80 per cent reduction in mortality. A Lebanese study showed reduced hospitalisation. Both were later found to contain major flaws. An influential Egyptian preprint found a 90 per cent reduction in mortality for patients taking ivermectin. The website later retracted the article amid fraud claims – some patients had died before the study started, among other concerns – but it had been cited by 30 other studies in the interim and included in meta-analyses that amplified its findings. The meta-analyses continue to be quoted as proof of the drug’s efficacy https://www.smh.com.au/national/how...ion-to-the-pandemic-20211013-p58zp3.html So just so we all understand the original covid vax prevented you from contracting and spreading covid?
that is true according to you.
lol pathological liar You are the bottom feeder. A dishonest grub with no idea.
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Everyone we know that got covid, and took ivermectin, survived. Thats only the evidence that it is.
It either says one of three things. It means nothing statistically. Covid wasn't nearly as bad as it was said to be, especially if treated asap instead of stay home and if you think you are finally going to die come in and we will vent you until you are dead. Or that it works well against covid. As other things may also. Most people I know got covid, didn't take any treatment, and survived. We experienced a 6 fold lower rate of death from covid than you guys - we must be an alpha species down here or something. We even survived the clot shots. And our horses had full access to their treatments and have itch-free orifices as far as I'm aware. LMAO ! An obedient Austard citizen/subject will never publicly post anything negative about the covid toxxine nor the facts about the fallout (death and illness) in Australia .... FACT jail and fines if an Aussie goes rogue with the truth, but none will .... They have spines of jellyfish I've been providing facts, you've been providing Karenism at it's finest. Good luck with the Swamp - you must be proud of your "achievements", LOL!!! you failed ... again ... to make the connection shows just how indoctrinated and blind you Austards are ... "Spines of Jellyfish" ?? ha ! Covid (backwards spelling of Divoc, Demon who possesses humans) vaccine patent #2020-060606 contains luciferace .... the part of jellyfish that glows in the dark.... You are the new Lucifer Race ... spineless obedient cowards to your masters
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Everyone we know that got covid, and took ivermectin, survived. Thats only the evidence that it is.
It either says one of three things. It means nothing statistically. Covid wasn't nearly as bad as it was said to be, especially if treated asap instead of stay home and if you think you are finally going to die come in and we will vent you until you are dead. Or that it works well against covid. As other things may also. Most people I know got covid, didn't take any treatment, and survived. We experienced a 6 fold lower rate of death from covid than you guys - we must be an alpha species down here or something. We even survived the clot shots. And our horses had full access to their treatments and have itch-free orifices as far as I'm aware. Thats an interesting observation for sure. Totally different than here. Non shots rarely got it. Almost all shots got it. And got treated and made it. For the most part the EMT in me says it was initial scare tactic that worked well, to keep people from getting it. But those of us that didn't get the shot and didn't get it must be some kind of extra super human part of the race.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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There is apparently a huge difference in efficacy of the various vaccines. Smallpox vaccines eradicated smallpox, polio vaccines pretty much wiped out polio, rabies vaccines work in animals and humans, distemper and parvo vaccines for dogs given at the right time seem foolproof, likewise blackleg vaccine for cattle.
My wife tells me that the flu cases they get are mostly from vaccinated individuals. I've never had a flu shot.
The various Covid-19 vaccines and boosters work about as well as no vaccine preventing Covid-19 and sometimes produce way worse effects (like sudden death).
I don't know one person that got vaccinated and then failed to come down with the Chinese virus.
Oh, I know the stupid untested argument that the disease wasn't as severe as it might have been. If it makes you feel better I guess that's worth something.
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Believe whatever you like, but don't pretend that you have evidence on your side. 🤣🤣🤣 You might as well ask him to not breathe. Douche Bag T has no other game.
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Everyone we know that got covid, and took ivermectin, survived. Thats only the evidence that it is.
It either says one of three things. It means nothing statistically. Covid wasn't nearly as bad as it was said to be, especially if treated asap instead of stay home and if you think you are finally going to die come in and we will vent you until you are dead. Or that it works well against covid. As other things may also. To be frank it appears that the medical fraternity killed more that the shots and covid will ever kill. What was it...first, do no harm.
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Everyone we know that got covid, and took ivermectin, survived. Thats only the evidence that it is.
It either says one of three things. It means nothing statistically. Covid wasn't nearly as bad as it was said to be, especially if treated asap instead of stay home and if you think you are finally going to die come in and we will vent you until you are dead. Or that it works well against covid. As other things may also. Evidence? Everyone I know who got the vax survived. Everyone I know who did not get the vax and did not take ivermectin also survived. I personally don't know anyone who has died from covid or the vax. I don't know anyone who took ivermectin.
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Most people I know got covid, didn't take any treatment, and survived. We experienced a 6 fold lower rate of death from covid than you guys - we must be an alpha species down here or something. We even survived the clot shots. And our horses had full access to their treatments and have itch-free orifices as far as I'm aware. “Most people you know”?….lol…..just because DBT survived the Kungflu after giving and receiving mustache rides from your disease ridden ass during the great Scaredemic is not a large enough sample for you to represent Australia….in fact I’d bet most Australians would NOT associate themselves with you or DBT, your domestic partner. As to your assertion about a “6 fold lower death rate”….that statistic is misleading because you’re 10 times less masculine and 40 times dumber than the “average” yank……maybe you consider that “winning”?….congrats matey?
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Literally dozens of conversations went something like this….
Them…Are you vaccinated yet?
Me…No nor do I plan to. Covid is nothing more than a cold unless you have significant co-morbidities.
Them…(with anger and indignation) If YOU aren’t worried about getting covid YOU should AT LEAST WORRY ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS and get protected.
Me….A vaccination is meant to protect the vaccinated host not everyone that isn’t vaccinated and I CHOOSE to take my chances by not getting vaccinated….besides I already recovered from covid as did the rest of my family so we have NATURAL IMMUNITY.
Them….Natural immunity is a conspiracy and it doesn’t apply to covid, you can’t get natural immunity from covid by getting it so you should definitely get vaccinated and protect your neighbors.
Me…..If my neighbors are that concerned about covid then they should get vaccinated if they think it works, if they get vaccinated then it shouldn’t matter if I get vaccinated, if it’s a vaccination then they won’t get sick.
Them…The vaccine doesn’t prevent you from getting it it just makes the symptoms less.
Me….Like a cold?
Them….Yes like a cold.
Me….<NEVERMIND>
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"Them…(with anger and indignation) If YOU aren’t worried about getting covid YOU should AT LEAST WORRY ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS and get protected."
I hate my fkn neighbors, ytf should I get jabbed with the clot shot because some commie fktards live close to me ?
they are Seatturd transplants and total scummunists, I have zero interest in their well being
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Considering how my neighbors all think like we do they would’ve disowned us if we got duped into the clot shot. There was no way in hell we were going to get that poison and it almost cost us A LOT. We weren’t going to blink and they did. 😉
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