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The post office is all but dead and gone since Covid. Why anyone would do anything other than mail a letter is beyond me. Plus FedEx and ups are both cheaper and WAY more dependable Yes but, unless something has changed they won't ship a gun from an individual to an FFL.
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The post office is all but dead and gone since Covid. Why anyone would do anything other than mail a letter is beyond me. Plus FedEx and ups are both cheaper and WAY more dependable Yes but, unless something has changed they won't ship a gun from an individual to an FFL. You can, just don't tell them. No requirement to tell them.
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I was wondering the same thing???
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The post office is all but dead and gone since Covid. Why anyone would do anything other than mail a letter is beyond me. Plus FedEx and ups are both cheaper and WAY more dependable Yes but, unless something has changed they won't ship a gun from an individual to an FFL. You can, just don't tell them. No requirement to tell them. Good luck with making a lost or damaged claim when shipping a prohibited item with them. I had a rifle badly damaged by ups in the past, they paid the claim but a lot of paperwork including verifying I was shipping properly to FFL. If u break their rules they will flat out deny any claim.
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You can absolutely ship a long gun to an FFL from an individual. That said, many USPS counter workers don't know the regs. 432 is the Section of the Regulations.
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The post office is all but dead and gone since Covid. Why anyone would do anything other than mail a letter is beyond me. Plus FedEx and ups are both cheaper and WAY more dependable Yes but, unless something has changed they won't ship a gun from an individual to an FFL. You can, just don't tell them. No requirement to tell them. Good luck with making a lost or damaged claim when shipping a prohibited item with them. I had a rifle badly damaged by ups in the past, they paid the claim but a lot of paperwork including verifying I was shipping properly to FFL. If u break their rules they will flat out deny any claim. You previously stated that they won't then you say they can, make up your mind. I self-insure.
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I made up my mind. They, UPS, will not ship them as individual to an ffl, it is in their rules NOW. That damaged gun from UPS I made a claim was about 15 years ago when you could do that. So now, as u stated with UPS unless u lie to them about what is in the box or don’t tell them as us said, u can not ship a gun or gun parts even as an individual. If you do and something happens they will not honor the claim as you violated their rules. These companies will us anything they can to not pay a claim, violating their written rules makes it easy for them to deny the claim.
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I made up my mind. They, UPS, will not ship them as individual to an ffl, it is in their rules NOW. That damaged gun from UPS I made a claim was about 15 years ago when you could do that. So now, as u stated with UPS unless u lie to them about what is in the box or don’t tell them as us said, u can not ship a gun or gun parts even as an individual. If you do and something happens they will not honor the claim as you violated their rules. These companies will us anything they can to not pay a claim, violating their written rules makes it easy for them to deny the claim. I don't care about their rules. Something is either LEGAL or ILLEGAL. Is it ILLEGAL to ship via UPS? Nope. I understand that a lot of you prefer to kowtow, but that's not what made AMERICA.
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I made up my mind. They, UPS, will not ship them as individual to an ffl, it is in their rules NOW. That damaged gun from UPS I made a claim was about 15 years ago when you could do that. So now, as u stated with UPS unless u lie to them about what is in the box or don’t tell them as us said, u can not ship a gun or gun parts even as an individual. If you do and something happens they will not honor the claim as you violated their rules. These companies will us anything they can to not pay a claim, violating their written rules makes it easy for them to deny the claim. I don't care about their rules. Something is either LEGAL or ILLEGAL. Is it ILLEGAL to ship via UPS? Nope. I understand that a lot of you prefer to kowtow, but that's not what made AMERICA. I rest my case.
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Probably the safest way to ship a long gun is through UPS or FedEx FFL to FFL and insured. An extra FFL fee is a lot better than this waiting game I am having to deal with.
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I made up my mind. They, UPS, will not ship them as individual to an ffl, it is in their rules NOW. That damaged gun from UPS I made a claim was about 15 years ago when you could do that. So now, as u stated with UPS unless u lie to them about what is in the box or don’t tell them as us said, u can not ship a gun or gun parts even as an individual. If you do and something happens they will not honor the claim as you violated their rules. These companies will us anything they can to not pay a claim, violating their written rules makes it easy for them to deny the claim. I don't care about their rules. Something is either LEGAL or ILLEGAL. Is it ILLEGAL to ship via UPS? Nope. I understand that a lot of you prefer to kowtow, but that's not what made AMERICA. I rest my case. Commie
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The post office is all but dead and gone since Covid. Why anyone would do anything other than mail a letter is beyond me. Plus FedEx and ups are both cheaper and WAY more dependable Yes but, unless something has changed they won't ship a gun from an individual to an FFL. You can, just don't tell them. No requirement to tell them. What happens when they lose your gun? You sure can't tell them you want your insurance money without proof of what was in the package. Maybe you could tell them it was a long handled digital torque wrench??
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The post office is all but dead and gone since Covid. Why anyone would do anything other than mail a letter is beyond me. Plus FedEx and ups are both cheaper and WAY more dependable Yes but, unless something has changed they won't ship a gun from an individual to an FFL. You can, just don't tell them. No requirement to tell them. What happens when they lose your gun? You sure can't tell them you want your insurance money without proof of what was in the package. Maybe you could tell them it was a long handled digital torque wrench?? I'll refund the money. What is so difficult to comprehend? I guess patriotism is A'ok, so long as it doesn't touch your wallet. Said state of affairs.
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I'm fairly certain there is a requirement to state the contents of all UPS packages. Be sure to insure the UPS package for $1000 or more. They maintain a chain of custody with high value packages. A good friend of mine is an ammunition manufacturer. UPS lost something like 8 of his packages in his first year of business and he had to either refund his customer's money or send another package with new ammo in it. Once he started to insure the packages for $1000 none of them have been lost. He's going on 11 years of doing business.
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The post office is all but dead and gone since Covid. Why anyone would do anything other than mail a letter is beyond me. Plus FedEx and ups are both cheaper and WAY more dependable Yes but, unless something has changed they won't ship a gun from an individual to an FFL. You can, just don't tell them. No requirement to tell them. They will ship a long gun individual to FFL, but handgun must go FFL to FFl. USPS is still the best way you can ship a gun. You can take it to any little podunk post office and send it, assuming the clerks know the law, which sometimes they do not.
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Got a package I sent from Ohio to Wisconsin. It's in Puerto Rico. Wtf?
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USPS Ground Advantage can take forever, have had stuff take over 2 weeks to reach me or the person I sold a item to.
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USPS is still the best way you can ship a gun. You can take it to any little podunk post office and send it, assuming the clerks know the law, which sometimes they do not. This has been my experience as well--though have had to ask some USPS employees to look at their own regulations. Had a woman postmaster around 15 years ago who had delusions about regs. I told her what they actually were, and suggested she look 'em up. That was when our little PO first started using cameras to record transactions between employees and customers, and very soon afterward she got "retired." One of the other reasons I use USPS is that the nearest Fedex and UPS outlets are a 65-mile round-trip away, and the UPS only accepts firearms at their distribution center--which is only open for such stuff 2 hours a day, 2 days a week. Fedex is better but still just as far away. Could pay extra for them to pick stuff up, but the local PO works better. Fedex is also kinda screwy here. A custom rifle company shipped me an expensive rifle for a review article a couple years ago, and "delivered" it to a house on the opposite side of the street, a block away. Luckily, this is a small town and the guy walked down the street and asked if I was the guy on the shipping label. On another occasion around the same time, Fedex left a package on my porch addressed to the same street number, but on the SOUTH end of the street, several blocks away. Luckily, the guy's phone number was on the label, and I called him--then dropped it off on my way to the PO.
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I shipped a rifle “priority” a while back that took 29 days to make the trip.
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I ship alot of things USPS. probably about 500 packages and only had one issue with my package going missing. I had to get the postal inspector involved and then it magically started moving in transit. Now I've had trouble with ups in the past as an receiving ffl. Saying some of my packages were delivered when in fact they weren't. I had to threaten to call the aft and then they show up.
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