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i know shooting 308 out of 30-06 is possible , but how about accuracy ?
assuming two identical rifles 308 and 30-06 , does 308 out of 30-06 is as accurate as on a 308 rifle?
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i know shooting 308 out of 30-06 is possible , but how about accuracy ?
assuming two identical rifles 308 and 30-06 , does 308 out of 30-06 is as accurate as on a 308 rifle? Are you really that green? It isn't like shooting 38s in a 357.
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LOL, how accurate is the 30-06?
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NO way, the bullet would dammage itself in they open space from they shorter case before the throat, and while trying to centre itself while entering the rifling.
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LOL, how accurate is the 30-06? assume both rifles are identical
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May lead to a real emergency.
No thanks.
If it needs explained then one should probably sell their guns and take up a far less dangerous hobby.
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I did it once by accident. It didn't damage or destroy my rifle, which is probably the best possible outcome.
POI of the one shot was way out of the group at 100 yards. If I had to do this in some post-apocalyptic nightmare scenario, then I'd want to be within 10-15 yards of the target. I'd hold for center of mass and I'd expect to have to finish whatever it was with a knife or a club.
I wouldn't count on it to be either safe or accurate.
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i know shooting 308 out of 30-06 is possible , but how about accuracy ?
assuming two identical rifles 308 and 30-06 , does 308 out of 30-06 is as accurate as on a 308 rifle? Poor accuracy, I have seen it done and no it was not me. In an emergency I would do it if I had no better options.
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Anytime you change a component, accuracy can change.
Having that much of a headspace reduction can certainly affect accuracy, how much and in which direction can only be determined by actual testing.
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LOL, how accurate is the 30-06? I have a Serengeti chambered 30-06 that can certainly hold own in a match.
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy.
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate?
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LOL, how accurate is the 30-06? assume both rifles are identical I can't. One is chambered in .30-06 and the other in .308.
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emergency ! you took the 308 instead of 30-06 ammo and a huge elk is at 100yard.
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Maybe for a Darwin award.
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Best to use a chamber insert.
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? Big difference in straight wall vs tapered bottleneck cartridges.
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LOL, how accurate is the 30-06? I have a Serengeti chambered 30-06 that can certainly hold own in a match. I don't mean 30-06 in general, I mean the one he's gonna shoot .308 rounds in. If he has a good load for an accurate 06 it's doubtful that a random .308 round would shoot as accurately for that rifle.
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The key word in that sentence is CAN. I shoot 45 Colt "cowboy" out of my 454 Casull, and even when I load the Casull cases with the same load as the Colt, the POI changes.
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The key word in that sentence is CAN. I shoot 45 Colt "cowboy" out of my 454 Casull, and even when I load the Casull cases with the same load as the Colt, the POI changes. Exactly. Due to the case volume and pressure. The pressure spikes would be all over the place from shot to shot shooting cartridges in a chamber that it doesn’t correctly fit. I have no idea how much accuracy would suffer but there’s no way that it could improve.
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LOL, how accurate is the 30-06? Has probably won more HP matches than all the others combined! 
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LOL, how accurate is the 30-06? Has probably won more HP matches than all the others combined! Have you ever read a thread before posting? Or do you enjoy coming off as stupid?
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? How much difference in headspace is there between a 38 and 357?
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? Big difference in straight wall vs tapered bottleneck cartridges. Not to mention headspacing on the shoulder, rim and case mouth for the cartridges mentioned. It appears to me from the questions being asked, the OP doesn't understand the concept.
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? How much difference in headspace is there between a 38 and 357? It ain’t upwards of half an inch😳 and they don’t have shoulders. I think persiandog likes to troll every now and again.
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Looking at the video provided I think, if nothing else, it gives us a pretty good idea of how badly accuracy can suffer when a bullet doesn't enter the throat/rifling in a bore-concentric attitude.
I don't think there's any great danger involved in doing this in a bolt action rifle, but performance would be lackluster to say the least. Certainly the chamber would get pretty fouled up pretty fast.
I think this fall squarely in the category of, "Yes it can be done, but why?"
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My friend was injured pretty bad after accidentally putting a 308 in IIRC a 270wby. The gun blew up tearing up his face and putting shrapnel in his face and neck. It blacked both his eyes and they were swollen to where he couldn't see. Luckily someone showed up at the range soon after to take him to the ER.
He had two rifles he was sighting in and just grabbed a round from the wrong box. I try to remember only 1 rifle and it's ammo only on the bench at a time.
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Why ? I would think in a matter of life and death , not a hunting emergency
But if push came to shove and it’s all I had , dam right I would
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aren't you from the ozarks or Kalamazoo
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emergency ! you took the 308 instead of 30-06 ammo and a huge elk is at 100yard. That's not an emergency
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i know shooting 308 out of 30-06 is possible , but how about accuracy ?
assuming two identical rifles 308 and 30-06 , does 308 out of 30-06 is as accurate as on a 308 rifle? You know it? Really? Try it. Please film it. Have your family post the video.
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Claw, controlled round feed, blade ejector?
98. Not a 70!
You might be fine.
If the case is held to the bolt, the pin will reliably
hit hard enough for ignition. The case head should be supported enough to not fail. The shoulder and neck should blow out to at least partially seal.
Some has would probably escape.
Lotta might, shoulds, likelys, there.
Too many for me to be betting hands, eyes, life,
Against 55,000psi inches away.
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Notice this guy is using one of the strongest actions he could find to do this. This is an example of a really bad Idea that shouldn't even be a thought. I guess if you were starving to death and needed to kill a deer, or you were in a life and death situation, it might bail you out, but just don't do it in the real world.
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I was going to comment on how I bet that it would work but the accuracy would suffer, and how straight that .308 case would look after firing in a .30-06 chamber. But then I watched the video that persiandog posted. Hey! I was right! Thanks, persiandog.
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? How much difference in headspace is there between a 38 and 357? There is none, both headspace on the rim.
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Notice this guy is using one of the strongest actions he could find to do this. This is an example of a really bad Idea that shouldn't even be a thought. I guess if you were starving to death and needed to kill a deer, of you were in a life and death situation, it might bail you out, but just don't do it in the real world. Unless I am mistaken, the 1917 is a controlled round feed action so headspace is at least to some degree controlled by the extractor similar to 40 S&W in 10mm. Might be very different in a Remington 700. Still not a good idea.
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Notice this guy is using one of the strongest actions he could find to do this. This is an example of a really bad Idea that shouldn't even be a thought. I guess if you were starving to death and needed to kill a deer, of you were in a life and death situation, it might bail you out, but just don't do it in the real world. Unless I am mistaken, the 1917 is a controlled round feed action so headspace is at least to some degree controlled by the extractor similar to 40 S&W in 10mm. Might be very different in a Remington 700. Still not a good idea. Yeah, your mistaken. All bottleneck rimless headspace on the datum line.
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About 10 years ago we had a women hunter fire a 308 in a 270 Ruger, killed the Deer at about 75 yards and locked the Ruger up tight as a safe we had a hell of a time clearing the action, I took the rifle to a good gun smith to be checked out no damage ?? I was surprised it didn't blow up. Rio7
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About 10 years ago we had a women hunter fire a 308 in a 270 Ruger, killed the Deer at about 75 yards and locked the Ruger up tight as a safe we had a hell of a time clearing the action, I took the rifle to a good gun smith to be checked out no damage ?? I was surprised it didn't blow up. Rio7 It's not easy to find any pictures of a Ruger bolt action blown up. I'm sure they exist but they are one hell for stout action. I've seen stocks let go around the action but not action in pieces.
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Have you ever heard of case/head separation caused by excessive headspace?
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About 10 years ago we had a women hunter fire a 308 in a 270 Ruger, killed the Deer at about 75 yards and locked the Ruger up tight as a safe we had a hell of a time clearing the action, I took the rifle to a good gun smith to be checked out no damage ?? I was surprised it didn't blow up. Rio7 It's not easy to find any pictures of a Ruger bolt action blown up. I'm sure they exist but they are one hell for stout action. I've seen stocks let go around the action but not action in pieces. Your still talking a .308 pill all the way through a .277 bore, and landing on target 75 yds away. Dubious at best.
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About 10 years ago we had a women hunter fire a 308 in a 270 Ruger, killed the Deer at about 75 yards and locked the Ruger up tight as a safe we had a hell of a time clearing the action, I took the rifle to a good gun smith to be checked out no damage ?? I was surprised it didn't blow up. Rio7 It's not easy to find any pictures of a Ruger bolt action blown up. I'm sure they exist but they are one hell for stout action. I've seen stocks let go around the action but not action in pieces. Your still talking a .308 pill all the way through a .277 bore. Dubious at best. I'm not RECOMMENDING it, I'm just saying that of all the "blown up action" pictures I've seen floated around the net since - forever (I got started on Prodigy, when it was a vector graphic based BBS), Rugers are damned rare to show up in pieces. Regardless of reason they had issue.
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About 10 years ago we had a women hunter fire a 308 in a 270 Ruger, killed the Deer at about 75 yards and locked the Ruger up tight as a safe we had a hell of a time clearing the action, I took the rifle to a good gun smith to be checked out no damage ?? I was surprised it didn't blow up. Rio7 It's not easy to find any pictures of a Ruger bolt action blown up. I'm sure they exist but they are one hell for stout action. I've seen stocks let go around the action but not action in pieces. Your still talking a .308 pill all the way through a .277 bore. Dubious at best. I'm not RECOMMENDING it, I'm just saying that of all the "blown up action" pictures I've seen floated around the net since - forever (I got started on Prodigy, when it was a vector graphic based BBS), Rugers are damned rare to show up in pieces. Regardless of reason they had issue. Didn't say you recommended it. Didn't say you didn't hear the story. Suggested with reason, that the story is BS.
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persiandog; Good afternoon and Happy Boxing Day if that's a thing down your way as it is up on this side of the medicine line. While this has been mentioned by a couple posters already, I'm going to belabor the point just a tad. The rifle in the video was for sure one of the stronger actions ever made, has an excellent gas venting system and has a claw extractor which in this instance and in that rifle, held the case sufficiently to get the primer to ignite the cartridge. Depending upon tolerances, one might also end up with the .308 case jumping ahead of the extractor and then it could - I believe - be possible to jam that .308 case in the chamber. I'm quite averse to jamming live ammo in a chamber myself as there's all sorts of scenarios where that ends badly for all participants in the repair. While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber. Lastly, I'll just use the explanation I give the hunter safety course I teach every spring as to why we should be careful about our experimentation with firearms. The chamber pressure of most big game rifles, for sure the .308, is 62,000 pounds per square inch. More or less for illustration, that's 10 diesel pickups stacked up on a Canadian Loony, being set loose 3" from your nose. I like to have the pickups fall in a safe direction, but that's me.  All the best to you and Happy New Year. Dwayne
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About 10 years ago we had a women hunter fire a 308 in a 270 Ruger, killed the Deer at about 75 yards and locked the Ruger up tight as a safe we had a hell of a time clearing the action, I took the rifle to a good gun smith to be checked out no damage ?? I was surprised it didn't blow up. Rio7 It's not easy to find any pictures of a Ruger bolt action blown up. I'm sure they exist but they are one hell for stout action. I've seen stocks let go around the action but not action in pieces. Your still talking a .308 pill all the way through a .277 bore, and landing on target 75 yds away. Dubious at best. You're talking "swaging" a .308" inch projectile into a .277" inch projectile in nano seconds. Ok, I won't say it can't happen, but like RAM, I find the likelihood dubious. (?) Do you know why a manhole cover is round? That's so the cover won't fall through the opening!
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To you NAY sayers, I have no reason to lye about something that happened here, like I said I was amazed the rifle didn't blow up. if you can't handle it you can KMA. Rio7
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About 10 years ago we had a women hunter fire a 308 in a 270 Ruger, killed the Deer at about 75 yards and locked the Ruger up tight as a safe we had a hell of a time clearing the action, I took the rifle to a good gun smith to be checked out no damage ?? I was surprised it didn't blow up. Rio7 It's not easy to find any pictures of a Ruger bolt action blown up. I'm sure they exist but they are one hell for stout action. I've seen stocks let go around the action but not action in pieces. Google, images
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Interesting his statement that the US Military when designing the .308 made the chamber taper just a little bit shallower because they knew this was going to happen. Makes sense. Closest I’ve come was loading a .303 British in a 30-30 Marlin, both rifles and open boxes of ammo next to each other at the range. Loaded easily, unloading - not so much 🤨
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There was a thread on here awhile back about exactly that. A 308 Win cartridge being fired in a rifle chambered for 270 Win. I don’t remember the outcome. It’s not unbelievable to me that it could happen without blowing up the rifle or maiming the shooter. It obviously could but it might not.
The shorter 308 Win case should at least allow for pressure to drop below standard at least slightly before that .308 cal bullet got swaged in the bore and caused a hell of a pressure spike! Which might help mitigate the damage.
308 Win ammo being fired in a 270 Win rifle has happened a lot more than once. I wouldn’t doubt that there’s been a huge range of results from maiming the shooter to the shooter chiting there pants but minimal or no damage. All sorts of variables from jacket thickness to how deep the bullet was seated, max load/not max load, throat length, rifle, bullet weight, ogive location, powder burn rate ect.
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emergency ! you took the 308 instead of 30-06 ammo and a huge elk is at 100yard. I’d pass, that’s not an emergency
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While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber.
Dwayne You just dropped hammer and blew up your gun. How the hell are you gonna have a LIVE round stuck in (what's left) of the chamber? And how is the type of extraction germane?
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You can ‘mistakenly’ shoot a 44 mag round in a 45 Lc, but I dont recommend it . Its hard on the brass 😀
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Once upon a time several years ago I did the very thing in question. I accidentally fired a.308W round from my.30-06 Weatherby Vanguard 2. I was at the local range shooting a 100 yard target. The bullet went inside the sub one inch group and the case fire formed to the chamber with mostly a straight wall case that crimped in a little bit at the mouth. This would be terribly unpleasant I’m sure in a .270 and a disaster in a .25-06. In any case I have learned to be more careful.
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emergency ! you took the 308 instead of 30-06 ammo and a huge elk is at 100yard. That's not an emergency
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I fire formed .30-06 brass (with COW) into 9,3m brass.
It worked... kinda. Mostly it was a brokedick experiment.
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Personally, I would not shoot .308W ammo in a .30-06 Springfield chamber.
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Here's one that dates back to WW II- - - -an 8X57 round will chamber and fire in some .30-06 rifles. The recoil is pretty brutal, but the .323 bullet will swage down and exit the .308 bore, usually without wrecking the rifle, as long as the brass can expand and release the bullet before the pressure builds up enough to shear off the bolt lugs or do other catastrophic damage to the action. P.O. Ackley ran a bunch of tests on that very situation after a few idiots started firing "liberated" German ammo in surplus 03 Springfields.
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I had a 257 Roberts single shot Dakota 10, and my dad had a 25-06 Ruger 77VT. We loaded the same bullet in each cartridge. 100 gn. Xlcbt. He saw a tom turkey out over 150 yards, so grabbed a round of ammo out of the box on the table and chambered it. Was a 257. Hit the turkey right where he aimed. Didn't notice a thing till he ejected the case. It didn't rupture at all, just formed into a 25-06 up to the point where the brass ended.
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I once fired a 22 RF in a 458 win mag with no problems
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I once had to rebarrel an M1 Garand that a guy used a 308 chamber adapter in. It ruined the chamber by leaving a depression ring in it.
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I once had to rebarrel an M1 Garand that a guy used a 308 chamber adapter in. It ruined the chamber by leaving a depression ring in it. the chamber adapter were US issued for high power matches to use "more accurate" 308 ammo. also by then they were running out of 30-06 LC ammo
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I once had to rebarrel an M1 Garand that a guy used a 308 chamber adapter in. It ruined the chamber by leaving a depression ring in it. the chamber adapter were US issued for high power matches to use "more accurate" 308 ammo. also by then they were running out of 30-06 LC ammo Interesting. I didn't know that factoid.
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While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber.
Dwayne You just dropped hammer and blew up your gun. How the hell are you gonna have a LIVE round stuck in (what's left) of the chamber? And how is the type of extraction germane? RAM; Good almost evening out in New Hampshire, hopefully the day behaved and you're well. Sorry I wasn't clear with my thought, if I may I'll attempt another run at it. My guess was that in the video, the extractor was at least in part holding the cartridge in place in order to support it enough to have the firing pin set the primer off. Said another way it "might" help a rimless case act as if it were rimmed, in the absence of any headspace on the shoulder where it needs to be. Further it was my guess that if we didn't have that big extractor holding the .308 case rim, as it would be in any push feed action, there's a chance it'd push the unfired case into the chamber too far - and become stuck. If with the push feed action this were to take place, the firing pin wouldn't reach the primer, so then we'd have a live round in the chamber. Again, having not tried this, I'm admittedly guessing, so could be and likely am incorrect in the guess. Hope that made better sense. All the best in the New Year. Dwayne
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Maybe for a Darwin award. But but it was researched by the military!!!
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Doable, but don't try the 308 in a 270.
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I was shooting a 30-06 one day at a target with a friend who was shooting a 270. I walked up to the bench as it was my turn, sat down and picked up a shell and loaded my rem 700. shot three shots with a good group then the 4th shot missed the whole target. ???? what the hell ! ran 2 more rounds and my buddy says you just shot a limb outa the tree straight up above the target . WTH ?? come to find out , my buddy had left loose rounds on the bench and my dumbazz chucked em in my rem 700. yes I ran 3 rounds of 270 thru my 30-06. Crap ! good thing we were shooting at his dads place with no chance of hurting someone . ran a scope thru the barrel of my remmy and could not find any sign of marks or damage at all . went back and shot another nice group with the right ammo .
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Notice this guy is using one of the strongest actions he could find to do this. This is an example of a really bad Idea that shouldn't even be a thought. I guess if you were starving to death and needed to kill a deer, of you were in a life and death situation, it might bail you out, but just don't do it in the real world. Unless I am mistaken, the 1917 is a controlled round feed action so headspace is at least to some degree controlled by the extractor similar to 40 S&W in 10mm. Might be very different in a Remington 700. Still not a good idea. The M1917 has been used for magnum cartridges in custom rifles for nearly 100 years.
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I've got a sporterized 1917 that has been rechambered for 300 H&H. The pawn shop where I bought it for pennies on the dollar had it marked ".300 Win Mag", and nobody could make that round chamber. They told me it had a bad barrel and practically gave me the gun. A quick chamber casting discovered what was actually going on.
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I wasn’t there, but my friend’s uncle, “Screwy Louie”, was said to have fired a 303 round in 410. Results were said to be bad. Not even sure that’s possible, but alcohol fueled lots of adventures at their deer camp. Those were the days. 🫤
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I was shooting a 30-06 one day at a target with a friend who was shooting a 270. I walked up to the bench as it was my turn, sat down and picked up a shell and loaded my rem 700. shot three shots with a good group then the 4th shot missed the whole target. ???? what the hell ! ran 2 more rounds and my buddy says you just shot a limb outa the tree straight up above the target . WTH ?? come to find out , my buddy had left loose rounds on the bench and my dumbazz chucked em in my rem 700. yes I ran 3 rounds of 270 thru my 30-06. Crap ! good thing we were shooting at his dads place with no chance of hurting someone . ran a scope thru the barrel of my remmy and could not find any sign of marks or damage at all . went back and shot another nice group with the right ammo . Had this happen when my dad accidentally shot my 7MM-08 ammo through his AR-10. None hit the target. Inspected the rifle, then put 5 308 bullets down range into a nice group.
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? How much difference in headspace is there between a 38 and 357? None because they headspace on the rim. .308 and 30-06 are rimless and headspace on the shoulder.
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While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber.
Dwayne You just dropped hammer and blew up your gun. How the hell are you gonna have a LIVE round stuck in (what's left) of the chamber? And how is the type of extraction germane? RAM; Good almost evening out in New Hampshire, hopefully the day behaved and you're well. Sorry I wasn't clear with my thought, if I may I'll attempt another run at it. My guess was that in the video, the extractor was at least in part holding the cartridge in place in order to support it enough to have the firing pin set the primer off. Said another way it "might" help a rimless case act as if it were rimmed, in the absence of any headspace on the shoulder where it needs to be. Further it was my guess that if we didn't have that big extractor holding the .308 case rim, as it would be in any push feed action, there's a chance it'd push the unfired case into the chamber too far - and become stuck. If with the push feed action this were to take place, the firing pin wouldn't reach the primer, so then we'd have a live round in the chamber. Again, having not tried this, I'm admittedly guessing, so could be and likely am incorrect in the guess. Hope that made better sense. All the best in the New Year. Dwayne Dwayne: Hope you had a Merry Christmas, and got to do some deer hunting with your daughters this year. Your original post was clear to anyone with enough basic knowledge to understand it. Happy New Year!!
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i know shooting 308 out of 30-06 is possible , but how about accuracy ?
assuming two identical rifles 308 and 30-06 , does 308 out of 30-06 is as accurate as on a 308 rifle? I think the emergency comes after you fire .308 through the .30-06!
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A co-workers brother fired a 308 in a 280.
Don't know any details beyond he wasn't hurt,
and a gunsmith said the gun wasn't hurt.
Once he got the bolt open.
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i know shooting 308 out of 30-06 is possible , but how about accuracy ?
assuming two identical rifles 308 and 30-06 , does 308 out of 30-06 is as accurate as on a 308 rifle? I think the emergency comes after you fire .308 through the .30-06! In my case the bullet went straight to the target and all that happened was that I ended up with a fire formed case. I was using a good quality Weatherby Jap rifle (Vanguard). Both cartridges use .308 bullets. It was caused by a mix up and inattention but no ill effects were noted other than I threw the case away.
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A while back I did a post where I compared the velocity of the 180 gr. Winchester Power point ammo in .308 and 30-06 What I left out was I was shooting 5 shot groups with either round. The .308 rifle was a 22" Winchester M70 push feed and the 30-06 a J.C. Higgins M50 FN Mauser. I had planned to shoot 4 five shot groups with each cartridge, That part did not quite work out. Seen I shot 2 rounds of 06 and three .308s into one group. No excuses, I just screwed up. The rifle was unharmed and the amazing thing was all the shots were in neat round 1.25" The velocity readings were all at 2600 FPS plus or minus 20 FPS. The only thing I noticed was the .308s were a slight bit more snug chambering but that particular rifle alway did have a rather tight chamber. All I did was ruin some .308 brass.
The range I use used to let people run full auto stuff until one yahoo set up a .50 cal. Ma Deuce and blew hell out of the ram silhouettes out at the 500 meter mark. One day a guy set up a .30 cal Browning air cools and ran mixed 30-06 and 7.62x51 ammo in the belt. When he was through running the belt and a bunch of ruined 7.62x51 brass on the ground. I asked wouldn't that damage the gun and he said no. It all fed just fine during the time I watched.
I can't say if the man in the video got that bad group because of the "wrong" ammo or my getting that good group was sheer luck. Frankly, I don't think I'll bother to find out. In my case it was my fault. Seems that at times my head likes warm dark places.
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While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber.
Dwayne You just dropped hammer and blew up your gun. How the hell are you gonna have a LIVE round stuck in (what's left) of the chamber? And how is the type of extraction germane? Umm…. Like because the cartridge wasn’t retained by the very substantial controlled round feed extractor, so the primer didn’t detonate, but the cartridge did move forward in the chamber, and now stuck? Enough of an explanation Mr. Dunning Kruger?
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I shot a 30-338 in a 300win. It landed in the group....but had a damn short neck when extracted. I broke the rule of having two similar cartridges on deck at the same time.
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I have a Marlin 30-30 that has at least 5000 rounds yes that's right five thousand, it has been in our family for ever my great grandfather traded it for some blacksmithing work at least that is the family lore. Anyways the throat and rifling is so worn out that when I load it, I use .311 "303 British" and .312 "Mosin Nagant" instead of .308 dia bullets, which surprisingly works rather well, it's a pain though since I have to grind the tips off the bullets and get the close in weight, since there are no 30-30 style bullets in .311. or .312
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About 10 years ago we had a women hunter fire a 308 in a 270 Ruger, killed the Deer at about 75 yards and locked the Ruger up tight as a safe we had a hell of a time clearing the action, I took the rifle to a good gun smith to be checked out no damage ?? I was surprised it didn't blow up. Rio7 It's not easy to find any pictures of a Ruger bolt action blown up. I'm sure they exist but they are one hell for stout action. I've seen stocks let go around the action but not action in pieces. Your still talking a .308 pill all the way through a .277 bore, and landing on target 75 yds away. Dubious at best. Deer caught the gay ….😫
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While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber.
Dwayne You just dropped hammer and blew up your gun. How the hell are you gonna have a LIVE round stuck in (what's left) of the chamber? And how is the type of extraction germane? RAM; Good almost evening out in New Hampshire, hopefully the day behaved and you're well. Sorry I wasn't clear with my thought, if I may I'll attempt another run at it. My guess was that in the video, the extractor was at least in part holding the cartridge in place in order to support it enough to have the firing pin set the primer off. Said another way it "might" help a rimless case act as if it were rimmed, in the absence of any headspace on the shoulder where it needs to be. Further it was my guess that if we didn't have that big extractor holding the .308 case rim, as it would be in any push feed action, there's a chance it'd push the unfired case into the chamber too far - and become stuck. If with the push feed action this were to take place, the firing pin wouldn't reach the primer, so then we'd have a live round in the chamber. Again, having not tried this, I'm admittedly guessing, so could be and likely am incorrect in the guess. Hope that made better sense. All the best in the New Year. Dwayne Dwayne, I hope your Christmas was wonderful in every way! As a PO Ackley fan, many years ago something made me question something??? And I pulled the extractor off a 98 and fired a huge batch of cases to fireform some brass. A bit of bullseye and a piece of cotton packing, and their inertia, were all that held the brass in place. Probably 40 or fifty rounds fired without issue. Primer details I cannot remember, though I hope they were not a harder magnum variety. I was probably looking for success, not failure. Best to you and yours!
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Next door neighbor years ago bought a new BLR in 243 from Oshman’s in the Houston area. He took them a new gold ring 3x9 and had it mounted and bore sighted. At the range he could never get it on paper. As he slipped it back in the case he noticed the barrel was stamped 308 Win. He went back home and double checked the box and it was labeled 243 Win. Oshman’s was very apologetic to say the least and swapped it for the correct one.
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Seen it at the range. Straight walled the chit outa the brass.
Also seen a 338WM fired in a RUM.
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Meh, I'll save my luck for when I need it.
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A guide told me about a hunter who said he was carrying a "300 magnum." When the guide asked him what kind of .300 mag, the hunter acted confused, i.e., he didn't know there was more than one kind. Apparently, he'd been shooting .300 WinMag ammo in his .300 Weatherby for years! (I assume he didn't reload and never looked at his ejected brass.)
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I accidentally fired a couple of 30-06 in my 35 Whelen one day. Bullets hit the ground about 50 yards short of the target. Brass was fireformed to 35 Whelen. It was very diasappointed in myself for being so careless. I knew better than to have 2 or 3 kinds of ammo on the bench while shooting.
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? Big difference in straight wall vs tapered bottleneck cartridges. 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm space off the rim so they stay in place when the firing pin strikes them. The .308 case is a little over .2 shorter where the shoulder starts than the 30-06 so there is nothing to say it is going to stay in place when the firing pin strikes it as they headspace off the shoulder. That alone makes the idea lame in my thinking.
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While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber.
Dwayne You just dropped hammer and blew up your gun. How the hell are you gonna have a LIVE round stuck in (what's left) of the chamber? And how is the type of extraction germane? Umm…. Like because the cartridge wasn’t retained by the very substantial controlled round feed extractor, so the primer didn’t detonate, but the cartridge did move forward in the chamber, and now stuck? Enough of an explanation Mr. Dunning Kruger? If the primer didn't detonate, how did the gun blow up smart ass? Luv it when a moron drops his shorts in front of the world.🤣
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? Big difference in straight wall vs tapered bottleneck cartridges. 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm space off the rim so they stay in place when the firing pin strikes them. The .308 case is a little over .2 shorter where the shoulder starts than the 30-06 so there is nothing to say it is going to stay in place when the firing pin strikes it as they headspace off the shoulder. That alone makes the idea lame in my thinking. .40sw and 10mm are rimless cochise
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While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber.
Dwayne You just dropped hammer and blew up your gun. How the hell are you gonna have a LIVE round stuck in (what's left) of the chamber? And how is the type of extraction germane? Umm…. Like because the cartridge wasn’t retained by the very substantial controlled round feed extractor, so the primer didn’t detonate, but the cartridge did move forward in the chamber, and now stuck? Enough of an explanation Mr. Dunning Kruger? If the primer didn't detonate, how did the gun blow up smart ass? Luv it when a moron drops his shorts in front of the world.🤣 In this case, you'd be that moron so pull your pants up. Who said the gun blew up?
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i know shooting 308 out of 30-06 is possible , but how about accuracy ?
assuming two identical rifles 308 and 30-06 , does 308 out of 30-06 is as accurate as on a 308 rifle? Let's revisit the OP. So, you're going to spend the time to plan on how to use the wrong ammo in the wrong gun instead of planning out how to actually have the correct ammo for the correct gun available?
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? Big difference in straight wall vs tapered bottleneck cartridges. 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm space off the rim so they stay in place when the firing pin strikes them. The .308 case is a little over .2 shorter where the shoulder starts than the 30-06 so there is nothing to say it is going to stay in place when the firing pin strikes it as they headspace off the shoulder. That alone makes the idea lame in my thinking. .40sw and 10mm are rimless cochise Thanks for the correction.
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About 10 years ago we had a women hunter fire a 308 in a 270 Ruger, killed the Deer at about 75 yards and locked the Ruger up tight as a safe we had a hell of a time clearing the action, I took the rifle to a good gun smith to be checked out no damage ?? I was surprised it didn't blow up. Rio7 It's not easy to find any pictures of a Ruger bolt action blown up. I'm sure they exist but they are one hell for stout action. I've seen stocks let go around the action but not action in pieces. Your still talking a .308 pill all the way through a .277 bore, and landing on target 75 yds away. Dubious at best. I actually saw a guy shoot a 308 round out of his Ruger 77V tanger chambered in 25-06. His son & him had just gone into his chicken coop converted into a shooting shack that had a wall knocked out so that he could shoot at targets out across his cow pasture. Their intentions were to sight in two Ruger 77's, a 77R in 308 & the 77V. As usual, they were arguing about load data, & not paying attention. The dad loaded a 308 round into the 77V & fired a round. I was behind him but off to the side. The flame came out the side port hole like he was shooting a flintlock, the barrel went upward, & the old man almost went over backwards. The whole rifle stayed together, but the stock was badly split at the tang area, the bolt had to be pounded open with an oak block & hammer. The empty case was removed in a hydraulic press using a hardened piece of drill rod and looked like a straight walled 308 with a huge primer pocket & the ejector plunger buried down inside of the bolt. He sent the 77V back to Ruger in pieces and they basically rebuilt the rifle using the same action (same serial #) which I thought was odd, & sent it back to him along with a stearn letter basically telling him how dumb & lucky he was. No idea where the bullet went but made it out of the barrel.
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Notice this guy is using one of the strongest actions he could find to do this. This is an example of a really bad Idea that shouldn't even be a thought. I guess if you were starving to death and needed to kill a deer, of you were in a life and death situation, it might bail you out, but just don't do it in the real world. Unless I am mistaken, the 1917 is a controlled round feed action so headspace is at least to some degree controlled by the extractor similar to 40 S&W in 10mm. Might be very different in a Remington 700. Still not a good idea. Yeah, your mistaken. All bottleneck rimless headspace on the datum line. Really, in a neck sized fire formed case ok, but what about a Full length case with the shoulder bumped back several thou, what about factory ammo that most often has a min spec for head to datum measurement, what are these cases headspacing on when there is indeed a gap between the datum line and the chamber.
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In the typical 30/06 chamber, the 308 case will wedge into the chamber somewhat and maintain zero head clearance. Not super tight but tight enough. Accuracy probably won't be awesome but may be adequate. As a gunsmith of many years experience, I have not seen it all, but I have seen a lot. I have seen a 308 fired in a 30/06 (no damage). I have seen 7x57 fired in two different .270 rifles; a Savage 110 (three shots fired with no damage) and a Colt Sauer (one shot fired. bolt damaged, stock split, magazine wrecked). A 303 British was fired in a Parker-Hale 7mm Mag. Extractor was blown out, stock split, magazine follower, spring, and floorplate were gone. Surprisingly, the receiver, bolt, and barrel were all fine, and I was able to put the rifle back in service.
I saw quite a few cases where 303 Savage was fired in a 303 British. The Savage name sounded more formidable, I guess!
One customer (an outfitter) had a client who had fired a 308 Norma round through a 7mm STW (I had put together two identical rifles for the outfitter, one in 308 Norma and the other in 7STW. The client had been carrying the 308 Norma but grabbed the STW rifle by mistake). The 180 Swift A-frame bullet swaged down OK and even killed the fairly large black bear at which he had shot. There was no second shot since the rifle seized up and the bolt handle was removed with a piece of 2x4!
I seriously doubt that the Army thought ahead and made the 308 so it was possible to shoot it in an '06. I think that was probably happenstance, but it happens to work. Nonetheless, it's a good story. GD
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All I can say is that I don't plan on trying this. It might work to the extent that the rifle doesn't blow up, but shooting the wrong cartridge in a rifle not designed for it sounds pretty scary to me.
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While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber.
Dwayne You just dropped hammer and blew up your gun. How the hell are you gonna have a LIVE round stuck in (what's left) of the chamber? And how is the type of extraction germane? Umm…. Like because the cartridge wasn’t retained by the very substantial controlled round feed extractor, so the primer didn’t detonate, but the cartridge did move forward in the chamber, and now stuck? Enough of an explanation Mr. Dunning Kruger? If the primer didn't detonate, how did the gun blow up smart ass? Luv it when a moron drops his shorts in front of the world.🤣 Well, seeing as how we’re discussing a potential live round stuck in the chamber of push feed rifle action, after the firing pin has dropped, the theoretical action obviously hasn’t blown up. You see, as there is no shoulder for the cartridge to headspace against, the extractor has not snapped over the extraction groove of the cartridge. So how is the firing pin going to contact the primer? Hence, a live round, possibly stuck in a still fully intact action. Time for you to pull up your shorts…
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While I have no experience doing it, my guess is that using anything other than a controlled round, large claw extractor action could and perhaps even likely end up with a live round jammed in the chamber.
Dwayne You just dropped hammer and blew up your gun. How the hell are you gonna have a LIVE round stuck in (what's left) of the chamber? And how is the type of extraction germane? Umm…. Like because the cartridge wasn’t retained by the very substantial controlled round feed extractor, so the primer didn’t detonate, but the cartridge did move forward in the chamber, and now stuck? Enough of an explanation Mr. Dunning Kruger? If the primer didn't detonate, how did the gun blow up smart ass? Luv it when a moron drops his shorts in front of the world.🤣 Well, seeing as how we’re discussing a potential live round stuck in the chamber of push feed rifle action, after the firing pin has dropped, the theoretical action obviously hasn’t blown up. You see, as there is no shoulder for the cartridge to headspace against, the extractor has not snapped over the extraction groove of the cartridge. So how is the firing pin going to contact the primer? Hence, a live round, possibly stuck in a still fully intact action. Time for you to pull up your shorts… what ya all are missing is that a 308 has less body taper and a slightly wider shoulder than an 06 , so the cartridge will just not fall into the chamber all the way to the shoulder , it will wedge at some point as greydog mentioned . likely with the case head close up to the bolt face.....so the firing pin can reach the primer and fire it. for this reason you cannot clean up a 308 chamber with an 06 reamer unless you set the barrel way back . in addition the 06 chamber has way more volume than 308 so a normal 308 load is going to have way less pressure than usual when fired in the larger chamber.........I highly doubt an 06 in good condition was ever blown up by firing a 308
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I guess we can shoot 7mm-08 out of 280’s
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Why not just look and make sure you have the correct ammunition? If you're not illiterate it shouldn't be too difficult?
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It's amazing what one can make work in and "emergency" situation. About 30 years ago, there was a local murder case where an abused wife finally got tired of being her husband's punching bag. He roughed her up one night and then passed out. She retrieved one of his rifles, put a bullet in his head, left with the gun and disposed of it. The recovered bullet was rather odd and it took the ballistics lab awhile to determine what she used. Eventually it was determined she used his Winchester 94 .30/30. She knew nothing about guns/ammo and went through a shoebox of loose assorted ammo until she found something that would chamber. Turns out she managed to chamber and fire a .38 wadcutter into his noggin. The soft lead bullet swaged down thru the .30 hole and did the deed. That bullet was probably 2" long...
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I have accidentally fired 270 out of a 7mmRM at the range.
The bullet may exit the bore, but the brass split.
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I guess we can shoot 7mm-08 out of 280’s I would imagine so, though I have not tried. The same conditions apply. GD
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If I'm not mistaken the neck of the 308 Win., is quite a bit thicker than that of the 30-06, and the case is so short that the neck doesn't even start into the neck chamber of the 30-06 barrel, and if it did it would be a force fit. Sounds like a good way to destroy a rifle and more. Ought to get the attention of the guy next to you though.
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In that big of an emergency
Just grab the 870
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In that big of an emergency
Just grab the 870 If it's a 12 gauge, can I shoot 16 gauge shells in it?
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In that big of an emergency
Just grab the 870 If it's a 12 gauge, can I shoot 16 gauge shells in it? sometimes. other times its not good....
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OK, I'll go with 20 gauge then.
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Just when I thought the “do you leave your gun in your stand overnight” thread was the stupidest thing I e read on here, this little gem of a topic gets posted.
Place never ceases to amaze……
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It makes you think real hard about the statement "There are no stupid questions."
Its all right to be white!!
Stupidity left unattended will run rampant
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[quote=slumlord]If it's a 12 gauge, can I shoot 16 gauge shells in it? I've actually seen that done- - - -a guy I used to hunt with cut the plastic off a spent 12 gauge shell and slipped it over the 16 Ga. shell. He chambered and fired it in a H&R single shot. That's one good reason we USED to hunt together. The guy could be the poster child for "You can't fix stupid!" He also fired 44 Mag ammo in a 1917 Colt revolver.
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It appears that several members here didn’t read or fully understand the OP.
IN AN EMERGENCY , was the question.
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Just when I thought the “do you leave your gun in your stand overnight” thread was the stupidest thing I e read on here, this little gem of a topic gets posted.
Place never ceases to amaze…… And to think some of these guys get together for hunts. I think I will stay far away.
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It appears that several members here didn’t read or fully understand the OP.
IN AN EMERGENCY , was the question. The Emergency wasn't ever explained to satisfaction (I may have missed it). I pick up a 30-06 while someone's breaking into my home but all I have is 308 loaded and ready to go?
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The only story I have is a buddy and his pals were getting ready for deer season and zeroing rifles and consuming a lot of alcohol
Numerous boxes of ammo open on the bench
Plus a green guy shooting
Sticks a 30 carbine round in a 223 and locks it up tight
Hun smith had to unscrew the barrel , luckily it was a savage
Bullet exited barrel , no damage and demolished case
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LOL , and he wanted me to test fire it afterwards, that got big FY
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OK, I'll go with 20 gauge then. Unless it's a pump and after it's fired the action is worked so the 20 gauge shell is chambered then slides down forward inside the barrel ,the gun doesn't fire, the action is ran again and another shell is chambered and fired, the gun blows up in your hands, and If you are lucky you will still have both hand, and have vision
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How about we have a massive EMP attack as your emergency? You are separated from your home and family when it happens. You happen to have a 30-06 and half a dozen shells in your now inoperable truck. You have a 100 mile walk back to your home. Everyone is freaking out and [bleep] is getting hairy. You find a box of .308 under your seat that you didn’t know was up under there. Now, isn’t it nice to know that you can shoot that too if you have to pop a cap in some recent migrant who is about to rape some pretty 20 year old girl beside the road?
As for danger of it, what danger? Same size bullet and there will be much less pressure than normal because the case doesn’t make it anywhere near the front of the chamber. No danger at all. Accuracy may suffer.
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Joe Bob anyone who drives 100 miles to go hunting and only has 6 shells for his rifle is an idiot, you don't need to worry about. He ain't gonna make the cut he wasn't a boy scout. And shooting 308's in an 06 is stupid.. definetly Darwin at work..mb
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How about we have a massive EMP attack as your emergency? You are separated from your home and family when it happens. You happen to have a 30-06 and half a dozen shells in your now inoperable truck. You have a 100 mile walk back to your home. Everyone is freaking out and [bleep] is getting hairy. You find a box of .308 under your seat that you didn’t know was up under there. Now, isn’t it nice to know that you can shoot that too if you have to pop a cap in some recent migrant who is about to rape some pretty 20 year old girl beside the road?
As for danger of it, what danger? Same size bullet and there will be much less pressure than normal because the case doesn’t make it anywhere near the front of the chamber. No danger at all. Accuracy may suffer. Um, in your scenario I have not only my carry gun with a few extra mags, but I usually have a little something else when going 100+ miles from home as well. And that "little something else" has ammo that actually matches the chamber.
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How about we have a massive EMP attack as your emergency? You are separated from your home and family when it happens. You happen to have a 30-06 and half a dozen shells in your now inoperable truck. You have a 100 mile walk back to your home. Everyone is freaking out and [bleep] is getting hairy. You find a box of .308 under your seat that you didn’t know was up under there. Now, isn’t it nice to know that you can shoot that too if you have to pop a cap in some recent migrant who is about to rape some pretty 20 year old girl beside the road?
As for danger of it, what danger? Same size bullet and there will be much less pressure than normal because the case doesn’t make it anywhere near the front of the chamber. No danger at all. Accuracy may suffer. Um, in your scenario I have not only my carry gun with a few extra mags, but I usually have a little something else when going 100+ miles from home as well. And that "little something else" has ammo that actually matches the chamber. Way to go, Rambo.
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Far from it, but I prefer to live by the "better to have and not need than need and not have" motto since "I'll try to shoot .308 outta my 30-06 if I have to" seems like a dumb motto.
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Far from it, but I prefer to live by the "better to have and not need than need and not have" motto since "I'll try to shoot .308 outta my 30-06 if I have to" seems like a dumb motto. Okay, boomer.
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That's Gen X to you. I'm sorry you're so invested in not being prepared and feel the need to lash out at people that realize life doesn't always go the way you want and plan accordingly
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The Emergency wasn't ever explained to satisfaction (I may have missed it).
I pick up a 30-06 while someone's breaking into my home but all I have is 308 loaded and ready to go? That ain't an emergency, that's just stupidity. You're looking at Mad Max level scenario before this is even on the radar
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That's Gen X to you. I'm sorry you're so invested in not being prepared and feel the need to lash out at people that realize life doesn't always go the way you want and plan accordingly I’m sorry you’re a humorless asshat.
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I’m sorry you’re a humorless asshat. I sincerely try not to be. I apologize. But I hope my asshat looks flattering on me. It covers my bald grape.
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The Emergency wasn't ever explained to satisfaction (I may have missed it).
I pick up a 30-06 while someone's breaking into my home but all I have is 308 loaded and ready to go? That ain't an emergency, that's just stupidity. You're looking at Mad Max level scenario before this is even on the radar That's my point. There's really no such thing as "I only have a 30-06 and .308 ammo AND an emergency that requires me to use them together". Whole thing is weird. And the EMP scenario - why would I have a rifle without rounds 100 miles from home AND rounds without rifle 100 miles from home at the same time?
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How about we have a massive EMP attack as your emergency? You are separated from your home and family when it happens. You happen to have a 30-06 and half a dozen shells in your now inoperable truck. You have a 100 mile walk back to your home. Everyone is freaking out and [bleep] is getting hairy. You find a box of .308 under your seat that you didn’t know was up under there. Now, isn’t it nice to know that you can shoot that too if you have to pop a cap in some recent migrant who is about to rape some pretty 20 year old girl beside the road?
As for danger of it, what danger? Same size bullet and there will be much less pressure than normal because the case doesn’t make it anywhere near the front of the chamber. No danger at all. Accuracy may suffer. 100 mile to go hunting would be like 100 miles to go fishing, you take two poles/riles to begin with.
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That's my point. There's really no such thing as "I only have a 30-06 and .308 ammo AND an emergency that requires me to use them together". Whole thing is weird. And the EMP scenario - why would I have a rifle without rounds 100 miles from home AND rounds without rifle 100 miles from home at the same time? Now, in defense of this "scenario," anyone dumb enough to put themselves into the situation of only having an '06 and .308 ammo while actually intending to hunt or shoot is probably dumb enough to make it enough of an "emergency" in their mind and shoot it instead of getting either the correct rifle or correct ammo.
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That's my point. There's really no such thing as "I only have a 30-06 and .308 ammo AND an emergency that requires me to use them together". Whole thing is weird. And the EMP scenario - why would I have a rifle without rounds 100 miles from home AND rounds without rifle 100 miles from home at the same time? Now, in defense of this "scenario," anyone dumb enough to put themselves into the situation of only having an '06 and .308 ammo while actually intending to hunt or shoot is probably dumb enough to make it enough of an "emergency" in their mind and shoot it instead of getting either the correct rifle or correct ammo. QFT
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i know shooting 308 out of 30-06 is possible , but how about accuracy ?
assuming two identical rifles 308 and 30-06 , does 308 out of 30-06 is as accurate as on a 308 rifle? Is this intended as a serious question or are you trying to stir trouble? Accuracy is almost certain to be horrible. 1) Overall length of an '06 is listed at 3.34", .308 as 2.80". That's a half inch more jump to the rifling. 2) the chamber of the '06 is much greater than of the .308. Since volume implies pressure implies velocity, you're probably going to lose several hundred fps at best. 3) Because the '06 chamber is longer than the .308 case you're very likely to rupture the case on firing. Obviously this is a serious safety problem but also because the pressure will be low, the chamber isn't going to seal so you'll lose even more pressure. It is not out of the realm of possibility that you'll stick the bullet in the bore. I can't think of a single reason to do this. If you forgot your ammo, go home.
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i know shooting 308 out of 30-06 is possible , but how about accuracy ?
assuming two identical rifles 308 and 30-06 , does 308 out of 30-06 is as accurate as on a 308 rifle? Is this intended as a serious question or are you trying to stir trouble? Accuracy is almost certain to be horrible. 1) Overall length of an '06 is listed at 3.34", .308 as 2.80". That's a half inch more jump to the rifling. 2) the chamber of the '06 is much greater than of the .308. Since volume implies pressure implies velocity, you're probably going to lose several hundred fps at best. 3) Because the '06 chamber is longer than the .308 case you're very likely to rupture the case on firing. Obviously this is a serious safety problem but also because the pressure will be low, the chamber isn't going to seal so you'll lose even more pressure. It is not out of the realm of possibility that you'll stick the bullet in the bore. I can't think of a single reason to do this. If you forgot your ammo, go home. No worries ,the second round will clear the barrel of the first round and probably get rid of some unwanted fingers.
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there is no lewis and clark in any of you , you have to pee into the wind , be a pioneer and ask questions.
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there is no lewis and clark in any of you , you have to pee into the wind , be a pioneer and ask questions. Smart people learn from their mistakes. REALLY smart people learn from OTHER PEOPLE'S mistakes. Stupid people shoot .308 out of 30-06.
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there is no lewis and clark in any of you , you have to pee into the wind , be a pioneer and ask questions. Smart people learn from their mistakes. REALLY smart people learn from OTHER PEOPLE'S mistakes. This is true. Other folks' mistakes cost me a lot less than my own. In other words, y' gotta weigh the cost of peeing into the wind. In this case the potential cost far outweighs any potential gain and that cost is much more probable than imagined benefits. Tom
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If the emergency is a genuine emergency, you may very well have to fire a 308 in 30-06 if you want to live
Sometimes in life the crunch comes on so fast you got to do what ever it takes
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there is no lewis and clark in any of you , you have to pee into the wind , be a pioneer and ask questions. Lewis and Clark were not that stupid. I can't beleive this thread is still going. What's next? Your thinking of sticking your dick in a meat grinder cuz you heard it will come out longer?
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there is no lewis and clark in any of you , you have to pee into the wind , be a pioneer and ask questions. Lewis and Clark were not that stupid. I can't beleive this thread is still going. What's next? Your thinking of sticking your dick in a meat grinder cuz you heard it will come out longer? That should be a clothes ringer.
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Has everyone who has posted since this video was put up watched it?
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very educational thread , read it and ignore the noise makers. there are no stupid questions , but plenty of stupid answers.
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If the emergency is a genuine emergency, you may very well have to fire a 308 in 30-06 if you want to live
Sometimes in life the crunch comes on so fast you got to do what ever it takes
Kenneth If it was an off the charts emergency you could just stab it with your rifle really hard. Or whack it like Yosemite Sam and the camel.
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Has everyone who has posted since this video was put up watched it? Some have. Most seem to have not.
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Has everyone who has posted since this video was put up watched it? Yeah, and the purpose of the video was not to promote doing it. Amazingly, someone at .gov foresaw the human error issue and steps were taken to mitigate catastrophic failure. NOT PROMOTE A SECOND AMMO !!
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there is no lewis and clark in any of you , you have to pee into the wind , be a pioneer and ask questions. Lewis and Clark were able to complete their exploration by not doing stupid schit.
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How about we have a massive EMP attack as your emergency? You are separated from your home and family when it happens. You happen to have a 30-06 and half a dozen shells in your now inoperable truck. You have a 100 mile walk back to your home. Everyone is freaking out and [bleep] is getting hairy. You find a box of .308 under your seat that you didn’t know was up under there. Now, isn’t it nice to know that you can shoot that too if you have to pop a cap in some recent migrant who is about to rape some pretty 20 year old girl beside the road?
As for danger of it, what danger? Same size bullet and there will be much less pressure than normal because the case doesn’t make it anywhere near the front of the chamber. No danger at all. Accuracy may suffer. 100 mile to go hunting would be like 100 miles to go fishing, you take two poles/riles to begin with. I forgot to mention that I already shot all the 7-08 ammo I had at rampaging Somalies so now that rifle is useless. The 30-06 ammo is all I have left after slaying numerous giant bucks and half a dozen does that weekend. The .308 was found under the seat of my truck along with a $20 bill, two packs of ketchup, half a chicken finger, one empty glock magazine, 42 .22 shells, and eight french fries. There is also one bottle of water which under normal circumstances I would be hesitant to drink as that the plastic has surely degraded after spending the summer under the seat. So now, I have to make it home. I figure to use the .22 to barter for sex and food after the moldy chicken finger and fries give out. The 30-06 and the .308 ammo will obviously be used for protection and/or to become warlord and leader of my own band of misfits in the new era of apocalypse.
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No! Hell no! Try not to do stupid stuff intentionally.
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Accuracy may suck. Pressure will be lower, but not that much lower. The case, in it's role as a gasket, will function as it should. The neck may split, but likely not.
I fired 300 win mag through a 300 Weatherby. This produced about the same amount of jump as the 308 in a 30/06. It shot OK but POI was off by eight inches at 100. The fired case had about .1" of neck.
There are ammo mix ups which can be very dangerous; this isn't one of them. GD
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Accuracy may suck. Pressure will be lower, but not that much lower. The case, in it's role as a gasket, will function as it should. The neck may split, but likely not.
I fired 300 win mag through a 300 Weatherby. This produced about the same amount of jump as the 308 in a 30/06. It shot OK but POI was off by eight inches at 100. The fired case had about .1" of neck.
There are ammo mix ups which can be very dangerous; this isn't one of them. GD the bullet enters the barrel and spins as it should,what is causing the inaccuracy ? is it vibration of barrel ?
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Accuracy may suck. Pressure will be lower, but not that much lower. The case, in it's role as a gasket, will function as it should. The neck may split, but likely not.
I fired 300 win mag through a 300 Weatherby. This produced about the same amount of jump as the 308 in a 30/06. It shot OK but POI was off by eight inches at 100. The fired case had about .1" of neck.
There are ammo mix ups which can be very dangerous; this isn't one of them. GD Is that a voice that I hear crying in the wilderness?
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Only emergency I could think of to run a 308 through a 06 would be if someone were breaking in my house and first thing I grabbed.
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Accuracy may suck. Pressure will be lower, but not that much lower. The case, in it's role as a gasket, will function as it should. The neck may split, but likely not.
I fired 300 win mag through a 300 Weatherby. This produced about the same amount of jump as the 308 in a 30/06. It shot OK but POI was off by eight inches at 100. The fired case had about .1" of neck.
There are ammo mix ups which can be very dangerous; this isn't one of them. GD the bullet enters the barrel and spins as it should,what is causing the inaccuracy ? is it vibration of barrel ? Just misalignment with the throat. Damages the bullet and causes an imbalance. GD
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Accuracy may suck. Pressure will be lower, but not that much lower. The case, in it's role as a gasket, will function as it should. The neck may split, but likely not.
I fired 300 win mag through a 300 Weatherby. This produced about the same amount of jump as the 308 in a 30/06. It shot OK but POI was off by eight inches at 100. The fired case had about .1" of neck.
There are ammo mix ups which can be very dangerous; this isn't one of them. GD the bullet enters the barrel and spins as it should,what is causing the inaccuracy ? is it vibration of barrel ? Were you born an idiot or is it from a lifetime of practice?
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Accuracy may suck. Pressure will be lower, but not that much lower. The case, in it's role as a gasket, will function as it should. The neck may split, but likely not.
I fired 300 win mag through a 300 Weatherby. This produced about the same amount of jump as the 308 in a 30/06. It shot OK but POI was off by eight inches at 100. The fired case had about .1" of neck.
There are ammo mix ups which can be very dangerous; this isn't one of them. GD the bullet enters the barrel and spins as it should,what is causing the inaccuracy ? is it vibration of barrel ? Were you born an idiot or is it from a lifetime of practice? that's the nicest thing ever. lets have coffee
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Have found brass at the range. 7mm Rem through a 300WM. New shoulder location, diameter, and a very short neck. Witnessed a guy shoot a 375 H&H through a 458 Lott. He was embarrassed as hell but did have a nice chamber and lead casting.
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OK, I'll go with 20 gauge then. Unless it's a pump and after it's fired the action is worked so the 20 gauge shell is chambered then slides down forward inside the barrel ,the gun doesn't fire, the action is ran again and another shell is chambered and fired, the gun blows up in your hands, and If you are lucky you will still have both hand, and have vision Sounds like I need to go with .410 shells then. Thanks for the tip!
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I’ve rattled a 270 down a 30/06 at the range before by mistake. It hit about 6, 8 inches off. I thought what the heck. Didn’t take long to figure out. Left my 270 rounds on the table by mistake. I have a rule at the range. Only one cal on the bench at a time. Other rounds back in my range tote. Most times I shoot 3-4 different calibers every time I go to the range.
Talk to the range guys at American Shooting Center in Houston. They have all kinds of stories about wrong calibers in wrong guns.
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My friend and mentor, Art Bourne, told me of a time when a mutual friend wanted to write an article of the dangers of ammunition mix ups. The 20 gauge in a 12 ga was a well known issue so he wanted to do that and have a picture of the resultant blow-up for his article. Art procured an old Iver Johnson single shot 12 ga., some 20 ga. shells, a box of 2 3/4 inch magnums, and headed out to the range to blow up a gun.
He dropped a 20 gauge shell into the breech where, predictably, it fell as far as the forcing cone. He fed a 12 ga magnum in behind it, put the gun in an old tire, and with a string on the trigger, fired it. It bucked violently in the tire and...nothing. Art picked up the gun and looked it over. It looked fine. He repeated the process twice more, with no apparent effect. By now, blowing up this gun had become a bit of an obsession. He next put the gun, muzzle down, into a barrel of water, with the water level just ahead of the chamber. He fired it with a long stick. The gun shot into the air, water flew, and the gun came down unhurt, although, it did seem to be getting a little loose. The next shot featured the 20 gauge shell again, but with the addition of a half cup of Polyfilla ahead of the shell. Again in the tire, the gun roared, there was some smoke from the breech, but it was still in one piece. The experiment was over though; the old gun had loosened up to the point that firing pin would no longer reach the primer. I don't think the article ever got written. GD
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My friend and mentor, Art Bourne, told me of a time when a mutual friend wanted to write an article of the dangers of ammunition mix ups. The 20 gauge in a 12 ga was a well known issue so he wanted to do that and have a picture of the resultant blow-up for his article. Art procured an old Iver Johnson single shot 12 ga., some 20 ga. shells, a box of 2 3/4 inch magnums, and headed out to the range to blow up a gun.
He dropped a 20 gauge shell into the breech where, predictably, it fell as far as the forcing cone. He fed a 12 ga magnum in behind it....... Yep, we do this demonstration in our hunter's ed class, using dummy rounds. We also have a rifle that was blown up, and a .270 case that was fired in a 7 mm Mag. and split open that we pass around. Those items seem to get people's attention.
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emergency ! you took the 308 instead of 30-06 ammo and a huge elk is at 100yard. Is this a real question? "a huge elk is at 100" isn't a f'n emergency. It's a major mishap on your part for not confirming what ammo you have to match your gun. Which is what we learn when we're about 5 years old.
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My friend and mentor, Art Bourne, told me of a time when a mutual friend wanted to write an article of the dangers of ammunition mix ups. The 20 gauge in a 12 ga was a well known issue so he wanted to do that and have a picture of the resultant blow-up for his article. Art procured an old Iver Johnson single shot 12 ga., some 20 ga. shells, a box of 2 3/4 inch magnums, and headed out to the range to blow up a gun.
He dropped a 20 gauge shell into the breech where, predictably, it fell as far as the forcing cone. He fed a 12 ga magnum in behind it....... Yep, we do this demonstration in our hunter's ed class, using dummy rounds. We also have a rifle that was blown up, and a .270 case that was fired in a 7 mm Mag. and split open that we pass around. Those items seem to get people's attention. smoke; Morning once more sir, though it's now breaking daylight here, I still hope you're well. On occasion in our hunter safety class, I've dragged this out to illustrate what happens when those "10 diesel pickups stacked on a Loonie" don't fall where we want them to. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/198544.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/198543.jpg) It was a perfectly good B78 in .22-250 until that fatal day. It came from an estate so while I did hear theories as to what happened, nobody knows for sure - apparently not even the late owner. Best guess was a hot .250 load, but again it was a guess by the late owner. Anyways, that's the pressures we're guessing with. All the best. Dwayne
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Goodness, this thread has been a wealth of information on who the dumbest MFs are. Carry on.
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Goodness, this thread has been a wealth of information on who the dumbest MFs are. Carry on. As everyone who has posted on it nods in agreement.
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Goodness, this thread has been a wealth of information on who the dumbest MFs are. Carry on. As everyone who has posted on it nods in agreement. LOL
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!"
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Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?
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there is no lewis and clark in any of you , you have to pee into the wind , be a pioneer and ask questions. Lewis and Clark were able to complete their exploration by not doing stupid schit. This is historically accurate. In fact, when Lewis and Clark approached Thomas Jefferson to ask for funding for the expedition, Jefferson asked them how they planned to successfully float raging rivers and cross mountain ranges, all in hostile Indian territory. To which Clark famously replied: "Mr. President, our plan is to avoid doing stupid schit." Jefferson was astonished at their alacrity and approved the fundng forthwith.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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I wouldn't try to feed my rifle with a different caliber ammo than what it's made for. If we're talking WSHTF here, then a very good prep would be to have some tools to feed your rifle. Any bullets, powder, and primers that would make a .308 happy would also feed a 30-06 or any other .30 caliber rifle.
If you have some basic reloading equipment you can scavenge bullets, powder, and primers from .308 or other similar rifle ammo and make your own 30-06, or other, rifle ammo. A press, a bullet puller, a set of dies for your rifle's caliber, a powder scale or measure, a punch to push out primers, and the necessary brass. Except for pulling bullets, even a simple Lee Loader would work.
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? How much difference in headspace is there between a 38 and 357? There is none, both headspace on the rim. Exactly
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Just changing the headspace can change accuracy. so , 38 in 357 or 40sw in 10mm are all inaccurate? How much difference in headspace is there between a 38 and 357? None because they headspace on the rim. .308 and 30-06 are rimless and headspace on the shoulder. I know, but I'm not the one that brought up 38/357.
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