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Originally Posted by CCCC
Regardless of one's belief/disbelief here, there are very good examples of strong, honestly expressed intellect/knowledge/logic, versus the definite lack thereof, as antelope_sniper deftly draws out the picture of Riflehunter. Educative. Good work.

You should take that to heart and apply it to yourself, CCCC.


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God: Just letting my flock know that I have appointed Riflehunter as my Deputy to help sort out the backlog of those waiting at The Gates for entry to Heaven.

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I've prayed daily since my early 20's and read my Bible twice a week. So as the Monkees would say, I'm a believer

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Originally Posted by TF49
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Originally Posted by CCCC
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Its amusing that CCCC complains about ad homs and insults, which is the very essence of his own response.
Not laughter material. You really should learn the difference between the unlearned personal smears some post - seemingly due to frustrated ignorance - and the logical, objective content-based critiques of posts and the ostensible reasoning. You know - the objective evidence-based critiques that cause your ilk to itch and chafe, right after you dash at the flame. If you learn that, it may help you be a better person - or, at least, a better poster.

Now, once again, maybe post the real reason(s) that your type come to get stuck on the glue paper strip?

There you go again, desperatley trying to turn the tables, playing a rightous man, the tragic victim even while being the aggressor, hurling insults even while complaining about what you reap.

You do precisely what you accuse your opponents of.
Hey Mr. Frustration - I'm not righteous - in the least. I added some more factual info about Riflehunter's stuff to that post - maybe go read it again.

It may help you understand the key differences between what you read and what you imagine - the realty of objectivity versus the fantasy on which you base your attacks. You undermine yourself and then try to sling insults as you drop into the pit of self-delusion. Try to get a hold on something solid.

Just face the facts; nobody knows how or why the BB happened, whether there was a before (a beginning to time), what set it off, whether it is cyclic, a part of a multiverse or something yet unimagined.

The fact is we don't know.

We don't know therefore there must be a creator is neither a sound argument or a justified belief.

It is you and your crew who are claiming to know.

You claim to know because you have read it in the bible, a set of books written in ancient times when people had no idea of the scope and scale of the universe when compared to what current science has discovered, so had no real understanding of how vast the universe is.

You don't know, but pretend that you do.

You do that for a number of reasons: to provide comfort and meaning, the promise of eternal life, reunion with loved ones, etc, understandable but unsupported by evidence.....which is where faith comes into play.




Nope..... If I am presented with something that is clearly artfully and skillfully crafted, I may not HOW it was crafted, but I will know THAT it was crafted.

You are just trying to re-package the "something from nothing" baloney.

You know no such thing.

You can't seem to able to tell the difference between faith and its assumption of truth and actual knowledge.

Plus you keep invoking the strawman 'something from nothing' no matter how many time it's pointed out that I made no such claim.

Instead of making your own special rules, read what is said before responding emotionally.


Back to third grade reading comprehension for you…..


Let me dumb it down for you…..try to follow closely….

Your doorbell rings and there is a package delivered….. you open it and find a small black sphere that some how plays Waltzing Matilda over and over again…. It won’t stop playing….you can’t turn it off….there are no switches, it just keeps on playing. You don’t know why or how does this….it just keeps on doing it.

You may conclude that this black sphere exists…..you do not know who sent it to you, but here it is, playing the tune over and over again…

You don’t know HOW it works, but you know THAT it works ….because it is sitting RIGHT THERE in front of you playing that song. You don’t even know WHY it works.


Further….if you really think hard, you realize that someone made it and then even sent it to you. Hmm…. Someone made something, knew you and sent it to you.

You might even say “Remarkable.”


Why are you acting so arrogant? Why are you so defensive? Why are you unable to offer a rationale argument without resorting to insults and ad homs.

Perhaps you are incapable of rational debate? Perhaps you resort to insults because that is all you are capable of?

I go with latter. Your pockets are empty and you have nothing rational to offer. You just don't have the abilty to deal with the issues being raised..

Try it. For instance, try to rationally explain why the God of the bible is said to create evil. Are you able?

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
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Here’s my two cents worth. I was raised Catholic but since then nothing one way or the other.
Now about a month ago I had a thought so evil that I came to a realization. There has to be an evil spirit or devil to put such thoughts into an average fellow. Because of this I now know there must be a God.
You guys can argue all you want about stuff like heaven or hell but after this happened I know there is a greater power. The End! Edk
That is most understandable.

You suffer from the same delusion. What's a greater power? You two use the same definitions or like the warm and fuzzy that it gives you irrespective?

(BTW, you'll need to have a quiet chat with antlers about sentence structure - he provided one without a valid arguement and I had to edit it for him to strong man his arguement. Haven't heard from him since.)
Mauserand9 what a faker you are - the delusional hypocrite - constantly trying to invent some basis for your attacks. This is another fail.

To tell a person that what he says is understandable is a statement about analysis and comprehension - that the message makes some sense. That has nothing to do with definitions, a greater power, argument, support or denial of a position. How sick must you be to feel that your made up stuff can be a basis on which to attack others? That is bona fide delusion. Check your false spelling of argument and be careful about the sticky paper.


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Originally Posted by DBT
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Regardless of one's belief/disbelief here, there are very good examples of strong, honestly expressed intellect/knowledge/logic, versus the definite lack thereof, as antelope_sniper deftly draws out the picture of Riflehunter. Educative. Good work.

You should take that to heart and apply it to yourself, CCCC.
Accomplished - what other means would you assume I could use to arrive at that analysis and position? By the way, thanks for another demonstration of a baseless ad hom attack.


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Back to third grade reading comprehension for you….. Let me dumb it down for you…..try to follow closely….

Your doorbell rings and there is a package delivered….. you open it and find a small black sphere that some how plays Waltzing Matilda over and over again…. It won’t stop playing….you can’t turn it off….there are no switches, it just keeps on playing. You don’t know why or how does this….it just keeps on doing it.

You may conclude that this black sphere exists…..you do not know who sent it to you, but here it is, playing the tune over and over again…

You don’t know HOW it works, but you know THAT it works ….because it is sitting RIGHT THERE in front of you playing that song. You don’t even know WHY it works.

Further….if you really think hard, you realize that someone made it and then even sent it to you. Hmm…. Someone made something, knew you and sent it to you.

You might even say “Remarkable.”
Why are you acting so arrogant? Why are you so defensive? Why are you unable to offer a rationale argument without resorting to insults and ad homs.
Perhaps you are incapable of rational debate? Perhaps you resort to insults because that is all you are capable of?
I go with latter. Your pockets are empty and you have nothing rational to offer. You just don't have the abilty to deal with the issues being raised..
Try it. For instance, try to rationally explain why the God of the bible is said to create evil. Are you able?
You seem bent on revealing your hypocrisy regarding evidence and proof. There the person gave you a concrete example - clear and logical - about how a human can respond to a mysterious situation. It is not colored with assumptions or attacks.

That directness seems like an insult to you and your methods. You responded with a bunch of derogatory questions and statements to that poster. Most of what you said comes across as a deliberate ad hom slurring.
The above is analysis and comment based on hard evidence you have provided in that post - and you pretend to give advice about what another should explain?


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Originally Posted by Riflehunter
God: Just letting my flock know that I have appointed Riflehunter as my Deputy to help sort out the backlog of those waiting at The Gates for entry to Heaven.
Icing on the cake.


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I was raised as a cradle Catholic and continue to follow my faith and belief in God- but in my own fashion for reasons I won't go into here. I could list many times I have had the fortune of His intercessions when I was on the edge of disaster, or hubris, or despair but without personal history in my experiences it would be hard to relate. Also, unlike many religious , I tend to keep my relationship with God and Jesus personal and internal- seldom discussing it with anyone. There are many times I think that people think that evangelizing is the equivalent of faith and I strongly disagree. Some of the people I know who exhibit their faith the most loudly are some of the least trustworthy, least generous, and least Godly people I personally know. Hypocrisy is the term that comes to mind most often.

Another point that buoys my belief in God and his creation- I know a number of very good engineers who are of non religious backgrounds. Almost to a man, they all believe there has to be an intelligent being after studying their disciplines, the order of the universe, and life as we know it. The same sentence seems to come out when we discuss this- "the math of the universe is just too perfect to have been pure chance"... you don't have to believe in God to enjoy the beauty of the universe he has provided for us. But it should make you wonder at times where it all came from IMO.

I know several people who fancy themselves scientists, including my son in law- who I like a lot and respect. But when this subject comes up I have a simple question for anyone who questions the existence of God. If you believe in the Big Bang, or any other alternate version of the creation of the universe, where did all the matter come from for the Big Bang? or any other creative building blocks? In the beginning, how did it all start? Believing in God is a lot easier to explain than believing everything in the universe came from nothing.

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Not really.
I do think something else is out there. What it is I don't know. If every other religion is the right one, than non are right.
I've raised my kids with telling them both sides of the story. Evolution vs god.
If they choose to believe ln god than that's ok. I wanted them to make up their own mind as adults and not be influenced by me when it comes to that.
When you think about many wars, and senseless killing we as humans have done in name of someone's religion or god. That should make you question some things

I never really wanted mine to be left to make up his own mind about drugs, drinking and driving or playing in tha street.


Do you read what I wrote or did you not comprehend ?


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Originally Posted by CCCC
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God: Just letting my flock know that I have appointed Riflehunter as my Deputy to help sort out the backlog of those waiting at The Gates for entry to Heaven.
Icing on the cake.

Yea, that's an interesting comment...


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Originally Posted by Sheister
I was raised as a cradle Catholic and continue to follow my faith and belief in God- but in my own fashion for reasons I won't go into here. I could list many times I have had the fortune of His intercessions when I was on the edge of disaster, or hubris, or despair but without personal history in my experiences it would be hard to relate. Also, unlike many religious , I tend to keep my relationship with God and Jesus personal and internal- seldom discussing it with anyone. There are many times I think that people think that evangelizing is the equivalent of faith and I strongly disagree. Some of the people I know who exhibit their faith the most loudly are some of the least trustworthy, least generous, and least Godly people I personally know. Hypocrisy is the term that comes to mind most often.

Another point that buoys my belief in God and his creation- I know a number of very good engineers who are of non religious backgrounds. Almost to a man, they all believe there has to be an intelligent being after studying their disciplines, the order of the universe, and life as we know it. The same sentence seems to come out when we discuss this- "the math of the universe is just too perfect to have been pure chance"... you don't have to believe in God to enjoy the beauty of the universe he has provided for us. But it should make you wonder at times where it all came from IMO.

I know several people who fancy themselves scientists, including my son in law- who I like a lot and respect. But when this subject comes up I have a simple question for anyone who questions the existence of God. If you believe in the Big Bang, or any other alternate version of the creation of the universe, where did all the matter come from for the Big Bang? or any other creative building blocks? In the beginning, how did it all start? Believing in God is a lot easier to explain than believing everything in the universe came from nothing.

"the math of the universe is just too perfect to have been pure chance"

That's because the universe is all just a computer simulation. The language of the computer is math.

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"the math of the universe is just too perfect to have been pure chance". That's because the universe is all just a computer simulation. The language of the computer is math.
And computers are created, just as the universe is.


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He died on The Cross for my sins


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As someone here said, He would have done IT, for me alone. That is really smoothing to think about.


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Originally Posted by Dre
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Not really.
I do think something else is out there. What it is I don't know. If every other religion is the right one, than non are right.
I've raised my kids with telling them both sides of the story. Evolution vs god.
If they choose to believe ln god than that's ok. I wanted them to make up their own mind as adults and not be influenced by me when it comes to that.
When you think about many wars, and senseless killing we as humans have done in name of someone's religion or god. That should make you question some things

I never really wanted mine to be left to make up his own mind about drugs, drinking and driving or playing in tha street.


Do you read what I wrote or did you not comprehend ?


Dre- This is coming from somebody that believes Trump and God are either one of same or Trump is first in line to speak to God.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
He died on The Cross for my sins
God: And I'm still a little bit angry with you about that Wabigoon. Because of you, I had to go through a lot of suffering. Why couldn't you just be like Riflehunter and virtually not sin at all?

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Perhaps I should have said, "Our Sins,"


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Originally Posted by antlers
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"the math of the universe is just too perfect to have been pure chance". That's because the universe is all just a computer simulation. The language of the computer is math.
And computers are created, just as the universe is.

That computer and its operator where also created by a simulation, who was also created by another simulation... Turtles all the way down.

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Originally Posted by RHOD
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Originally Posted by RHOD
"the math of the universe is just too perfect to have been pure chance". That's because the universe is all just a computer simulation. The language of the computer is math.
And computers are created, just as the universe is.

That computer and its operator where also created by a simulation, who was also created by another simulation... Turtles all the way down.

So, answer the question- if it is a simulation where did the first simulation come from? Who made up all the components to create that simulation? And where did the simulation creators come from?

Hard to say if you're just being an ignorant troll, but the question doesn't change just because you don't believe in God...


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