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In the latest Nosler Guide, #6, the 708 is using a 26" barrel and the 260 is shot with a 24" barrel. Also to get a real and true comparison between the two rounds you need to look at the comparing Sectional Density of each bullet. The 260 130 AB has a .266 SD The 708 150 BT has a .266 SD The 260 will shoot a 130 at 2,900 fps, max from my own use. The 708 will shoot a 150 at 2,800 fps, max from my own use. I think these speeds show a good and fair average for each weight. According to Biggame, The 708 with a 150 BT drops 38.9" at 500 with a 250 zero. The 260 with a 130 AB drops 35.4" at 500 with a 250 zero. The 708 with a 150 BT has a recoil of 13.2/18.9 The 260 with a 130 AB has a recoil of 12.3/16.5 Impact velocity at 300 yards; 708 is 2,275 260 is 2,375 Impact velocity at 500 yards; 708 is 1,959 fps 260 is 2,032 fps So for picking nits here, the 260 will accomplish the same as the 708 with less recoil, more velocity down range. More thought should go into a gun that fits you and you can shoot well. Yes, I totally agree.
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Hey, I've got two dinosaurs now, that are my near my favorite deer rifles, a 6.5 X 55 Husky, and a Rem Model 7 in 260. I truly like the 6.5. However this caliber may end up like the 257 Roberts (a great round, just not very popular).
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Also to get a real and true comparison between the two rounds you need to look at the comparing Sectional Density of each bullet.
LOL!!!! And why is this? Just gotta hear...
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The ratio of a bullet's weight in pounds to the square of it's diameter in inches.
Apple to apple, SD to SD.
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Dont forget that Savage did chamber the .260 for a while. I have one of the first ones they made( It is marked "Prototype"... had a family member working at Savage at the time). They dropped the chambering due to lack of support from Remington ( as in factory loaded ammo).
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I know what SD is, I am asking why that is THE way to get a real and true comparison between the two rounds?
So out of all of the variables why is it you pick SD to make the comparison?
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FWIW a recent poll of ALL hunters rated the 260 as the #1 preferred deer round in the entire four wall area.
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The 700 ADL matte synthetic rifles chambered in 260 were made at the same time as those in 222, 6mm, and 257 Roberts, but none of the 4 were ever cataloged. They were from a limited run for Grice (and maybe other wholesalers) and were never offered at any volume outlet. Even at that, the 6mm and 257 Roberts flew off the shelf, but the 222s and 260s hung around for quite awhile.
Jeff At my local gunstore, the 260 was gone before it made it to the shelf, the 222 not long after, but the 6mm and 257 sat for a couple years. All depends where you live. The proprietor also told me a couple years ago that he sells about four rifles in 260 for every one in 7-08. Of course, I own two of them, so he might have just told me what he thought I wanted to hear. As far as the round dying off, who cares? Most others will also be "dead" in 20 years too, except for a few old standbys. My local Mart doesn't even sell cheap 308 ammo anymore. Getting brass will be easy, just as it is for any other headstamp that hasn't been "alive" in decades (6.5 mag, 284, 350 mag, etc). The round works and works well, easily the equal of the 7-08, but definitely overlap. It simply needed both corporate and journalistic pimping to get it going. It garnered neither, which makes it the perfect "loony" caliber. I love it when "knowledgable" local hunters look at me like I'm from Mars when the 260 comes out.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I have wanted a .260 Rem for several years now. I remember reading about them in 1998 when I lived in TX. I thought it would be the perfect whitetail cartridge. I have tried on 2 seperate occassions to buy a .260. Both times, the dealers checked and their suppliers said they could not get them. This was from 1999, and then 2002, in 99 I settled for the .257 Robers, and then in 02, when with the 7mm08, each of which I have long departed with. I have since given up, and if I happen to run across one when I have extra money, I'll pick it up. That being said, I have only handled two in my life time. One a Remington 700 SS, and the other the 18 1/2" Model Seven, both times I was visiting the areas, and couldn't buy.
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Oh dear ! I ve got a 7-08, a 260 and a 6.5x55 on the way , all good IMHO. I use the 260 for lighter stuff and foxes as I came to think the 260 is what the .243 should have been, and the 7-08 for everything else. The 260 is based in a Tikka 595 action, and the 7-08 on a Sako 75.
I guess the 243 users will tell me I am mistaken but....
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I have a model 7 in 260 and a Brown 1885 low wall. Never had a problem buying bullets and now handload. Look forward to trying a berger. Have used nosler partitions mostly. They kill deer very effectively.
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Where can I find a 700 ADL synthetic in .257 Roberts?
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Well, if it does, then there will be a perfect spot for the 257-308!
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I have 1 and an extra, new, take-off barrel.
If you're looking to buy, they show up on GA and AA on occasion, but be prepared to pay a premium price since they are a limited, non-cataloged configuration.
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Where can I find a 700 ADL synthetic in .257 Roberts? Probably the Internet is about the only place now that they are available. Gunbroker might have one.
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I have read that the .260 is popular with target shooters. Perhaps that will ensure a supply of brass and bullets? My Kimber .260 shoots 95 grain v-maxes and 120 grain speers to the same point of impact, making it a versatile gun/cartridge indeed.
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I couldnt afford a NULA 257Roberts, picked up a M84 Kimber in 260. Havent looked back. It is the 'Better Bob' in a 6 Lb 3 Oz package for $1500 less than the NULA. I can shoot bullets heavier than my old 257 and have the same light bullet capability. Remington is even putting out a nice fluted barrel special run this year. So, 260 fans have something to look forward to. Oh, the Kimber is still available as are others.
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I can't believe people complain and whine when a gun company comes out with a new cartridge! It totally baffles me. Thank goodness they give us dozens of niche choices. Let's see- the .260, the 6.5, the 5mm Rem Mag, the SAUMs, the .280/7mm Express (now trying to rise from the dead), and some others I'm forgetting- How many more duds can Big Green come up with? More like, why do dud questions like this come up. None of those cartridges are duds by any means. I agree, I also commend all the mfg's for trying new concepts or what not. But if they don't make money, not much much they can. I feel Remington was ahead of the times with 5mm, 6.5RM, and even the .350RM. It was once written, and as the writer put it, one can't help but think what would be if the .280 came out prior to the .270. I for one in that instance don't think it would have made much difference. Even though they are almost identical performance given 10 grs. difference in bullet weight, with one being a "7mm" bore, the other a "7mm" groove The .270 was at that time, and still is uniquely American. And it filled the bill for those that wanted slightly less recoil, with slighty more range capabilities than the 30-06. Then also, the 7mm cal. hasn't really been all that popular here in the USA. But the 7x57 was and still used with great success in other parts of the world. But the 7mm RM has done well. We are still primarily country of .30 cal shooter/hunters. If one looks at the 30-30, .308, .30-06, and .300WM sales. The 8mmRM is another example,,,awesome Elk round, just didn't bring in the $$$$. I'm suprised that Winchester themselves didn't persue the .308 beyond the .243 and .358, but evidently their market anylist, didn't see merrit in the 7-08 or others. But all Mfg's have had their share of disappointments. The 6.5's never have had much influence with American market. But it still has a lot of potential. I for one never gave the 6.5's much thought until recently. It will be unfortunate if there are no longer any production guns being made for .260. But it's all a money game. It's our buying dollars that influence mfg's decissions. I still praise all for at least trying. Dave
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The .270 was at that time, and still is uniquely American. And it filled the bill for those that wanted slightly less recoil, with slighty more range capabilities than the 30-06. Sir, please show us some evidence that the 270 has more range capability than the 30-06. Thank you. -
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