Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Custom Rifles & Wildcats Pierce Actions...another REM 700 clone

Nope, there was no refund on shipping. I am pretty sure I paid shipping both ways plus the fluting of the bolt, I will check my old e-mails, I could be mistaken. I'll send you the bolt next week. Hopefully this will fix the problem and it could quite possibly eject loaded rounds with the port modification my gunsmith did. If not, I never miss on the first shot anyways (obviously joking). If you could send the old extractor back with it just in case it doesn't fix it or makes it worse? I really hope this works, I like everything else about he action and the way the rifle turned out. Was the issue only with WSM cartridges?

The wsm were much more of a pain in the ass.

Phoenix Machine makes a hell of a nice action too - just was checking them out.

They made the "TEMPLAR" action for GA Precision (GAP)

I'm not convinced that the Phoenix has their bolt timing issue solved.
Butch

I like Chevrolet trucks over Ford.....Oooo wait this is about custom Remington 700 clone actions...Same difference

Got an e-mail back from Pierce Actions, will make left and right hand actions and left and right hand ports in any combination. FWIW.

wlfpack,
I don't see it that way. This is a discussion about receivers and what people perceive about them. I know that there will be a little of what you say, but mostly it is discussing the good and other things about the receivers.
Butch

Have read that there were some timing issues,I'm sure they will get it fixed!

Yah I was just injecting a little bit of fun into this discussion. I see some Ford Chevy in here that is why I said it.

I however do have one question for you, how can the phoenix action have timing issues if GAP is using them. I am not being a smart ass I am just curious how they are dealing with the issue.

That is a good question. I just talked to a very respected gunsmith and he has been having a fit making the one he has extract smoothly. Do you blame Glenn or do you blame Dave Kiff?
I don't know, but it is usually the receiver manufacturer that should be responsible if he says to use Dave's bolts.
Butch

Dave just supplies a product to replace a Remington. If it doesnt work with your product, I surely dont see how it can be Daves fault. Dave is very good at making parts per print and selling replacements. It seems to me it is up to Glen to make sure you can get a bolt assembly that works if you are only going to sell half of the action. Last I heard Dave specifically asked Glen to not advertise that he had bolts to complete his actions and the resulting issues.

All of the parts Dave makes us are to our tolerances and design, which is somewhat different than the Rem parts he does. All of our parts are spot on to the drawings we supply him.

Here's some more reading for your edification:

http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55855&highlight=phoenix

By the way, GAP isn't the only rodeo in town.

Yes I have read that forum very interesting. I know that GAP isn't the only game in town, they are just the only outfit that I knew of that was using these actions.

I have a Stiller predator on order right now so this thread has alot of interest to me, I will be going with a 7 SAUM instead of a 7 WSM.

I'll be interested to look at the Pierce. I've been using Nesikas for a while, and have a Surgeon waiting for a barrel.

Butch,

How did your Predator turn out? I recall corresponsing with you shortly after having my rifle completed, and you had a 300SAUM built if I recall? Did you have the same issues with ejecting as I did? How does the SAUM differ in feeding/ejecting from the WSM? I have to say that if ejecting reliably wasn't a problem, I would not hesitate to use a Predator again. I am of the belief though that for a hunting rifle I would rather have a larger loading port and sacrifice the extra stiffness of the action.

Another question about all these Remington clones, why hasn't somebody produced one in Titanium? If one could be produced for under $1500, I could see a market for them in lightweight rifles. Of course I have no idea what it would cost to produce one.

Poor Butch just keeps putting both feet in his mouth on this one!!

Blackbird, don't you have anything constructive to add to this, in my opinion, very interesting topic? Or, do you just like to bash someone who does?

Blackbird, What is your agenda? Blackfootkenai and I have discussed this by PM. I gave him my opinion and he gave me his. We are satisfied that we both know where each other stands. And by the way, boss hogg, slowpoke garcia, and whatever, your post are the same on every board.
Butch

I have a Phoenix action on order, but I wanted it WITH a one piece bolt. I didn't want to have to hope that one of Dave's bolts would work.

Is making a bolt that much different than the whole action? Why don't the action makers manufacture their own bolts instead of sourcing it out to Dave Kiff?? Seems like this would alleviate some of the problems. At least Stiller supplies the action with the bolt so any problems are 100% their own.

I have been waiting for mine for a while!

The reason that many manufacturers have Dave do it is that Dave makes a good product for a good cost. I build our own benchrest bolts. I mainly do it because there are so many configurations and with the sliding plate extractor it is just easier to do it myself then define all of them for dave. I would almost guess that if Dave didnt build bolts, most of the action builders would quit. I would have to add another mill, lathe and grinder. Its not a huge deal for us, but probably a $200k investment. We weigh out the build versus buy every 6 months and so far decide to buy. I have plenty of work right now and Dave does a good job so why not spread the work a little bit. IF times slow down, that may change, but I dont see it happening any time soon.

The interesting quote about is that if the action builders built their own it would allevate some of the problems. My question is: Who out there has problems with their actions that supply the bolts?? I understand the Phoenix deal may have issues as a non mfr must put a bolt in it. Problem from day one till the end of time. But, from any of us that supply the complete action, what is the problem?? Every action I send has a properly fit bolt, handle etc whether I built it or not.