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Makes for good conversation on forums I guess.

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Originally Posted by TC1
I could go for "It kills just as well"


Sounds fine to me, there aren't different degrees of dead, just dead.

Concerning smashing bones, the 223 can do that just fine.

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The problem with the internet is a couple guys that are very experienced at putting a marginal cartridge in just the right spot, can make it appear that anyone or everyone will have the same results.


Really, I thought the problem was those that can't/haven't done something assume that it shouldn't/can't be done.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead


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The problem with the internet is a couple guys that are very experienced at putting a marginal cartridge in just the right spot, can make it appear that anyone or everyone will have the same results.


Really, I thought the problem was those that can't/haven't done something assume that it shouldn't/can't be done.


As usual your reading comprehension skills trail your mouth.

"Any cartridge can kill a deer and any cartridge in the right hands can consistently kill a deer. The question is, can any cartridge kill a deer consistently for everyone?"



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As usual you are still an idiot.


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As usual you're still a closet [bleep] that likes to post "look at me" pictures.


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That the obvious escapes you doesn't surprise me, nor does your [bleep] talk.


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I've asked you before to ignore my posts and I'd do likewise. The fact you have to stalk me all the time, like some high school girl, speaks volumes.


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I will concede that the 223 will kill deer under the right conditions but better than the 30-06 i dont think so



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Originally Posted by jimmyp
For sure it looks like it kills just as well or better than a 30-06.


Day in, day out, year in, year out... Nope.


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Depends a lot on where you hunt. Around here a 150 lb. deer is a BIG deer and most shots are under 100 yards. With the right ammo they seem to fall just as dead. I know a few people who use the 223 and 22-250 to kill a lot of deer.

I personally do not because most of my hunting is on North Georgia National Forest and WMA land that is public. I want no doubt about who made the shot. There is also a pretty fair chance that I could take a black bear or hog on most of the areas I hunt.


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Originally Posted by Brad
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For sure it looks like it kills just as well or better than a 30-06.


Day in, day out, year in, year out... Nope.




+1.


They work fine for hunting pets but I would not even consider taking one on a 'serious' deer hunt. Not with all the better choices available.

400 yards on a big, spooky deer and I'll take my .270 or .300WSM anyday over a .223. Not even a question.


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Oh no, not when there's a football game on!

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Steelhead and I butt heads on this every time the .223/deer subject comes up. I really do respect his opinion. In my deer camp, we had 3 deer hanging. Mine was the smallest, a nice long tined 8 point. No one shoots does or small bucks but ladies and children. No one uses a rifle smaller than .25 caliber other than ladies or children. We are locals and try for big deer. I am not saying this to provoke, only to explain where I'm coming from. The .270 Win is probably the most used rifle in our camp. I killed my buck at 313yds with a .308 Win. Bang, flop. I have several rifles .25 caliber and smaller, but I do not choose to take them deer hunting here in KS. Big boys roam here. Good luck.

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Don't matter none what folks use. Would I take my 223AI on a $6K guided mule deer hunt, probably not, but as I said before I'd not want to be a critter if that is what I had. I've seen plenty of deer drop to one and I'm also not a long distance shooter on deer, I like getting close, so I guess it suites me fine.

Still contend that dead is dead and the last two black bears I shot were with something your kids in KS wouldn't use on deer. Course if I only had a 10 day gun season I might just use a bazooka.


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What I am asking about is "under 100 yards" and assuming you used a good bullet.


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Have had deer go further when struck with a 35 Whelen than a 223AI. Big and slow seems to make a great impression on bigger critters.

I would trust the 223AI at 100 yards on any deer.


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Originally Posted by SamOlson
They work fine for hunting pets but I would not even consider taking one on a 'serious' deer hunt. Not with all the better choices available.

400 yards on a big, spooky deer and I'll take my .270 or .300WSM anyday over a .223. Not even a question.

Especially since, at four hundred yards, a .223 is going about as fast as a .22 lr at point blank range.

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