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Makes for good conversation on forums I guess.
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I could go for "It kills just as well" Sounds fine to me, there aren't different degrees of dead, just dead. Concerning smashing bones, the 223 can do that just fine. The problem with the internet is a couple guys that are very experienced at putting a marginal cartridge in just the right spot, can make it appear that anyone or everyone will have the same results. Really, I thought the problem was those that can't/haven't done something assume that it shouldn't/can't be done.
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The problem with the internet is a couple guys that are very experienced at putting a marginal cartridge in just the right spot, can make it appear that anyone or everyone will have the same results. Really, I thought the problem was those that can't/haven't done something assume that it shouldn't/can't be done. As usual your reading comprehension skills trail your mouth. "Any cartridge can kill a deer and any cartridge in the right hands can consistently kill a deer. The question is, can any cartridge kill a deer consistently for everyone?"
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As usual you are still an idiot.
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As usual you're still a closet [bleep] that likes to post "look at me" pictures.
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That the obvious escapes you doesn't surprise me, nor does your [bleep] talk.
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I've asked you before to ignore my posts and I'd do likewise. The fact you have to stalk me all the time, like some high school girl, speaks volumes.
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I will concede that the 223 will kill deer under the right conditions but better than the 30-06 i dont think so
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For sure it looks like it kills just as well or better than a 30-06. Day in, day out, year in, year out... Nope.
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Depends a lot on where you hunt. Around here a 150 lb. deer is a BIG deer and most shots are under 100 yards. With the right ammo they seem to fall just as dead. I know a few people who use the 223 and 22-250 to kill a lot of deer.
I personally do not because most of my hunting is on North Georgia National Forest and WMA land that is public. I want no doubt about who made the shot. There is also a pretty fair chance that I could take a black bear or hog on most of the areas I hunt.
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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For sure it looks like it kills just as well or better than a 30-06. Day in, day out, year in, year out... Nope. +1. They work fine for hunting pets but I would not even consider taking one on a 'serious' deer hunt. Not with all the better choices available. 400 yards on a big, spooky deer and I'll take my .270 or .300WSM anyday over a .223. Not even a question.
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Shouldn't you be shopping?
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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Oh no, not when there's a football game on!
Macys/Rosauers and back home in the nick of time.
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laissez les bons temps rouler
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Steelhead and I butt heads on this every time the .223/deer subject comes up. I really do respect his opinion. In my deer camp, we had 3 deer hanging. Mine was the smallest, a nice long tined 8 point. No one shoots does or small bucks but ladies and children. No one uses a rifle smaller than .25 caliber other than ladies or children. We are locals and try for big deer. I am not saying this to provoke, only to explain where I'm coming from. The .270 Win is probably the most used rifle in our camp. I killed my buck at 313yds with a .308 Win. Bang, flop. I have several rifles .25 caliber and smaller, but I do not choose to take them deer hunting here in KS. Big boys roam here. Good luck.
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Don't matter none what folks use. Would I take my 223AI on a $6K guided mule deer hunt, probably not, but as I said before I'd not want to be a critter if that is what I had. I've seen plenty of deer drop to one and I'm also not a long distance shooter on deer, I like getting close, so I guess it suites me fine.
Still contend that dead is dead and the last two black bears I shot were with something your kids in KS wouldn't use on deer. Course if I only had a 10 day gun season I might just use a bazooka.
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What I am asking about is "under 100 yards" and assuming you used a good bullet.
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Have had deer go further when struck with a 35 Whelen than a 223AI. Big and slow seems to make a great impression on bigger critters.
I would trust the 223AI at 100 yards on any deer.
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They work fine for hunting pets but I would not even consider taking one on a 'serious' deer hunt. Not with all the better choices available.
400 yards on a big, spooky deer and I'll take my .270 or .300WSM anyday over a .223. Not even a question.
Especially since, at four hundred yards, a .223 is going about as fast as a .22 lr at point blank range.
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