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That may be, but laser engraved stocks, cheesy "engraving", camo, blah, blah is more in line with what I was thinking of.
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I'm gonna get me one of these badboys and flatout hone chit! Daytona in 25 days!
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i own the new remington rt-15 custom which has the 24 in stainless triangular barrel and custom gas block... have not shot it yet..waiting on getting scope and ammo for it
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Several factors have kept my buddy from getting going with his VTR in 308, but a couple of weeks ago I bought one for myself. It's looking to be a real shooter and I haven't even fine tuned any loads to it, I've just shot some standards any good 308 ought to like.
Here's an example. I have a bunch of Lake City Match M852 ammunition that came from one lot number, and I've been sorting it for runout. After sorting I take the good ones and run them through one of my seating dies to make the lengths more uniform and to pop the neck sealant.
Yesterday I was shooting a batch that had been marked as having 0.004" runout measured on the bullet ogive a tenth of an inch forward of the case mouth. So they were pretty good but not the best. With this ammo it was easy to shoot 3/4" five shot groups at 100 yards. Toward the end of the day I had ten (yes, ten) rounds remaining that I fired into one 0.88" group.
In this same brass I'm going to duplicate the military match load using all my minimal sizing and concentricity tricks. I'd like to see if I can get ten into 3/4" or less.
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I seriously considered one of them in .223, because the twist was right and the cost was right... but one thing that threw me, is that my goal with the .223 is to shoot out the factory tube and re-barrel with a .223AI (probably) in the proper twist for really heavy bullets... and the stock on those VTR's looked to me like it would end up being a tosser if you went with a regular round barrel.
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FÜCK PUTIN!
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Yeah, that's a consideration. I picked mine up as a fun range plinking rifle to "run-in" new brass and keep the round count down for my hunting 308. With hearing protection the muzzle break isn't a bother. It seems to make less of a ruckus than an unbraked 300 mag as heard through the ear plugs. A little less pressure and 30 or 40 grains less powder go a long way in that regard. Besides I had already decided that if it was obnoxious I'd have it bobbed.
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i held one of the triangle models this past saturday. i didn't see anything i liked about the barrel or the stock. just my opinion but i think it will go the way of the electronic ignition in a couple years.
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If you sharpened the top edge, you'd have a last-ditch weapon if your gun jammed.
The church is near, but the roads are icy. The pub is far away, but I will walk carefully.
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I'm telling you guys, star shaped. that's where it's at.
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Northern Dave:
I wouldn't want anyone thinking I was a Dallas Cowboys fan.
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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true.
well maybe we could go with something like a 6 point star, or a square???
Or maybe something really out there like.... a triangle!!!
oop, my bad.
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Let's see, my choices are: Cowboy fan; or I'm a square; or I shoot a box-stock Remmy. I'll take the Star of David, please.
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How about a "scientific" test? Duplicate the Rem barrel, and then machine another barrel of the same length with the same contour (ie dia. at muzzle and dia at receiver end) then do a stress / bend test on each under closely controlled and supervised conditions. The triangular barrel will show superiority if I am correct. If not, I will gladly eat my words.
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Well, a friend of mine bought one in 308. I have to say that I am a "classic" style, wood, blue, kinda guy..But I have to admit that it looked "cool" in its own way. To me, it "felt" like a shooter..very solid, a little heft, and slightly muzzle heavy..I handed it back to him and said, "I bet it shoots"..He liked that! I might just break the mold and get one myself!
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...Hey if a triangle works wonders, wouldn't a star of David be twice as good?......As an added benefit we might get more Jewish folks involved in hunting.
Last edited by olhippie; 03/08/09.
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As usual, I read an article a while back about fluted vs non-fluted as regards to stiffness. The correspondent used a rifle with a nonfluted barrel, installed it in a fixture not touching the barrel and hung a weight on the end of the barrel and measured the bend or deflection in the barrel. He then had the barrel fluted the same as a production, or normally produced fluted barrel and reinstalled it in the same rifle. He hung the same weight on the end of the barrel and it had MORE deflection than when in the unfluted state. This proves that fluted barrels of the same outside diameter as nonfluted are not as stiff as nonfluted.
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...I've said earlier on a similar thread,You don't increase stiffness by removing metal, cooling yes, stiffness no. However a barrel of like MASS, in like steel, can be more resistant to deflection using profiles other than round.
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The stiffness of a barrel is a result of the "quantity" of steel used, not the finished shape. Not true. For a given amount of steel the moment of inertia of the cross section, which changes with shape, influences the resistance to bending. Note that I am not saying removing material from an already made barrel will make it stiffer. Furthermore, the elastic modulus for plain carbon steel is about the same as that of any barrel alloy. No appreciable "stiffness" difference between a given contour in CM versus stainless. This only true up until the yield point is reached, then the stronger barrel will be stiffer- not applicable here but as a blanket statement- not quite true.
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I think some people confuse fluting with corrugation. Culverts are corrugated (spiral grooves at right angles along its length)this makes them stiffer and stronger. Of course they are made of thinner material to start with.
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