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OK, I've posted on the Nosler site.

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Good riddence. I am not one to jump on the bandwagon just because something is popular. I believe that just because something is popular, doesn't necessarily make it the best. But when you have tens-of-thousands of discerning hunters who take as much care in picking their equipment as those of us on here, you can be pretty sure it has something going for it. And when something becomes the icon against which all others in its class are judged, and has the proven, time-tested reputation that the Nosler Partition does, you can be pretty sure you can rely on it. It'll get the job done, reliably. Even if something can do it better, but it'll never be a bad choice. That's how I feel about the M1911, and that's how I feel about the Nosler Partition.

If the Accubonds give me reason, I would have no qualms going with a 175 gr Partition in my 7mm Rem Mag. That's saying alot from me because I have pretty unrealistic expectations from my bullets. I basically demand perfection. In fact it was me who started the afermentioned threat about brush deflection in "Ask the Gunwriters." Because yes, I foolishly expected my bullet to make it through some three feet of brush.

please excuse my hiatus; I was accuracy testind my new partitions. couldent wait to test them on deer, so I was out gettitn one, (around here they call it hunting, not surfing).

But before I get into the partitions anylonger, I would like to address one more thing. I thought this place was where we got together like civil adults to discuss hunting. It seems that if someone has a differing opinion, you all seem to systematicly gang up and pummel them with PERSONAL attacks.

It seems rather reminiscent of the old Clinton war room. "if you cant beat em, destroy their character". Are my feelings hurt, no way. I could care less about any of you, but I do think you all set a poor example for the rest of the hunting community.

I also would like to note that I cant believe someone as revered and respected as an actual GUNWRITER would stoop to the level of making personal attacks. A person whom is thought of being, somehow, above all that. A person of whom i had looked up to and may have even reached the level of an actuall FAN. But not now mister mule deer, you have stooped down to the level of persons equal to the Michael Moors of this world.

I have a lot of friends in the shooting community who regard gun writers as nothing more than common WHORES, but I always defended them as a man with a real job to to. They have told me about how gunwriters will write anything for a buck, write it like your selling it! but I always held gunwriters in high esteem, considered them as people with CLASS. I cant believe a real life gun writer would attack someones character.

I dont care what you keyboard experts think, you cant win an arguement, so you trash-talk. gang up like wolves on a fawn. Jujing by the high number pf posts that most of you have, it's amazing any of you have ever found the time to go hunting.

now go ahead with the scathing commentary

Not jumping on the bandwagon just because something is popular?

That is exactly what you are doing with the mousegun bashing.

So tell me RemFan, do you still beat your wife?

Main Entry: trash talk
Function: noun
: disparaging, taunting, or boastful comments especially between opponents trying to intimidate each other

mousegun- to refrain from making this a personal attack I will let you decide if that passage pertains to your contributions to this thread. And for the third time I will ask you to back up your claims with some empirical evidence. Factual observations would help your cause much more than the sarcasm you've been oozing.

FYI, I'm not a Partition slut as I only use them in one rifle but the animals I've shot have died. With one shot. And I haven't recovered any so I don't know what they looked like. I've shot many more animals with Sierra, Hornady, and Barnes bullets than Noslers. No particular reason, just happened to be what I was shooting at the time. I don't think a bullet has to retain 100% of its weight to be a success. The coreless jackets of cup-and-core bullets that I've recovered from dead animals attest to that. The one bullet "failure" I have experienced, meaning the animal wouldn't have died without another shot, was an early model Barnes X. The petals barely opened and didn't do any damage. Every other animal I've shot with an X has expired right quick.

Every make and model of bullet has a certain percentage of "failure" associated with it. Is the Partition's rate any higher than others? I doubt it. A product doesn't keep its market share for as long as the Partition has if it rates [bleep]. There may be better mouse traps out there. But "better" is subjective based on our pre-conceived notions of how the bullet is supposed to behave and what the pictures show it's supposed to look like. To condemn a known quantity without backing up those claims with first-hand experience is asinine. And will get you jumped like a wolf pack on a fawn. Please enlighten us uncivil keyboard jockeys.

Dale

Mousegun--

Maybe I mised something here. I can't see where I impugned your character. I just said you were ignorant, which isn't a part of a person's character, but something they can fix--by learning.

I was a little blunt about it, but then all of your posts here have been blunt, in a way that a friend of mine calls "aggressively ignorant." Now maybe that is a character flaw. I don't know, since I don't know you.

But when you jump in and start slamming a product that's been widely respected for over half a century, meanwhile displaying your ignorance of said product, then you might just expect a few blunt responses.

Instead, if you'd written, for instance, that you had used Nosler Partitions quite a bit, and some had failed in one way or another, and provided evidence, then the folks here might have responded differently. Instead you called them cheap, and implied that you never used such cheap stuff. This left you wide open to people who know better.

If you'd care to back off and begin again in a more reasonable and prudent manner, then we'd like to welcome you to the fire. But don't come in throwing chairs, or you're likely to get one thrown back at you.

MD

MD,

I think we can apply the infamous "law of diminishing returns" in this situation.

I have sat back and read this thread, mostly LMAO at our new "bud" mousegun.

mousegun, I think you may be a tad off base here fella. In simple terms, you are fighting a battle with an empty weapon. In simpler terms, MD always presents his views and opinions that are based on many experiences and data collected. You on the other hand saw a picture and drew a conclusion. One event is not even statistcally valid to draw a conclusion from.

Here is some food for thought....A Six Sigma level of quality is considered the highest level of quality achievable. Very few products ever can attain this level. As a definition, Six Sigma equals six failures out of 1 million.

While I am not saying that MD has provided that level of data, he certainly has provided more of a valid case for the Nosler Partition, than some unknown poster with no posting history, who sees a picture and says, hey, these things are junk. BTW, by the definition of Six Sigma, one failure is allowed.

Here is some advice.............Come back and update us with some solid data and/or experiences, or expect some more abuse.

Tony

I don't even have a wife, and for your information, I don't even beat my dog.

Mousegun--differing opinions, I don't mind. Being an arrogant smartass, I do.

You people have the GALL to call me ignorant. I am the one who conceded, remember? For all you writers in montana, that means I admit defeat! That was, like, two days ago. But you selfrightous, arrogant, hypocrites decided to keep on bashing. Its like gut shooting a deer, and then hitting em in the ass just for good measure.

I even went as far to BUY some partitions, load and get some 200yd zeros with them, and then go shoot a deer with one. But even that isnt good enough for you contemptous pigs!

You guys had me down and out and decided to just keep on kicking. Is this the way you keep nay-sayers out of your inner-circle?

I listed a bunch of really good bullets, (which are now up for auction), and you all jumped in and said they are no good, only partitions. So who's ignorant?

I did not call you anything, but, I asked you a simple question which, in your umbrage, you neglected to reply to.

As far as arrogance is concerned, your comments about other participants on this thread and your nasty, unwarranted sneers at Mule Deer, a very highly respected, professional gunwriter, bespeak an attitude that will very likely be seriously adjusted by someone, when you are old enough to enter a tavern. It reminds me of a comment I heard in a bar in Eureka, MT. nearly 40 yrs. ago when a bartender told a young "tough guy" that, " son, if you're going to be stupid, you better be f_____g tough", !!!!!

Do they have many computers in bars?

I do believe that this thread should go to that great bit bucket in the sky............

And the moon isn't even full, WTF !!!

Later,

Tony

This is making it difficult for me to choose a hunting bullet. Who's opinion should be relied on?
On one hand I have testimony from one highly regarded writer, and quite a few board members whos opinions I value, plus comments from another source who has written and edited a number of reloading manuals, loaded and fired untold thousands or rounds, been a highly placed excutive with a major manufacture and states that he has never, ever, seen a partition fail. Then there is my own limited experience
On the other hand, I have to weigh the thoughts of a short term member with a small number of posts, who seems to be a bit reactive.
This is gonna be tough, but I have some time to decide <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

So if mousegun had a large number of posts and was a long term member, then the Nosler Partition would suck!

Maybe so. If anyone can make posts like that while providing so little evidence, and not get laughed out of here long enough to run up a good post number, I might have to pay attention to his ideas.
But, naaa I don't think so <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Yo Tracks!

Your ass bone is connected to my ........... dick bone!

One post and I get the impression you don't like me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Hang around, you can really learn to hate me with a little time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Are you MG's twin brother or are you just a s___tdisturber? In any case, why not tell us of the Nosler PTs. that YOU have seen fail?????

obmuter
"Your ass bone is connected to my ........... dick bone! "

Something tells me you really like that sort of thing and likely have practice... likely as an ingler (that is correctly spelled, look it one up in your OED)
art

I was just trying to have a little fun with TRACKS 'cause I like his attitude.

YOU I don't like, so STFU.

BTW, one of them I have seen fail has a picture at the top of the thread genius!