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As for the IWBA, contact Dr. Gary K. Roberts, he is more than glad to share what he and his peers have. many of their articles and studies can be found at firearmstactical.net. They seem to have ended the majority of their web presence, but Dr. Roberts is still very active in the field.

Training your mind is more important than training with your firearm, but training with your firearm is by no means unimportant.

Maybe I missed it, but don't think anyone has mentioned the great work of Masaad Ayoob on what actually works? Might be showing my age.

I haven't heard that one before, gmoats, but it's pretty apt!

Folks who disparage training are usually people who haven't been involved in a real world shooting scenario. I train with and provide training to LEOs as a sideline business. Many of the guys I train and train with, perhaps even the majority, have been in at least one officer-involved shooting. All have close personal knowledge of at least one OIS involving someone they know very well.

I commented to one class I was teaching about this interesting bit of trivia. One of the guys in the class responded thusly:

"I survived my shooting, but I realized immediately that it was as much due to luck as it was to my skill with my firearm. I realized that if I ever got into a shooting situation again, I wanted to reduce my reliance on luck as much as possible, and the best way to do that was to increase my skill with my firearms and my ability to fight effectively. That's why I train like I do."

That cop, and others like him, spend their own time and money to get better training because they've seen the elephant and they don't want to have to rely on luck to win next time around.

Doc,

After careful observation and consideration, I've come to the conclusion that you kinda know your chit!!

Too counter anecdotes with anecdotes, I have shot three dogs in my career. Two with a .45, one with a 9mm. The two .45 hits were with Gold Dot, one 230gr, and the other with 200gr +P.

One was a straight on chest cavity shot, and a follow up shoulder shot. I chased the dog nearly three miles before I lost it. There was more blood than I though possible.

The second, with the 200gr +P was a solid shoulder shot, from above, facing toward me. Entered high left shoulder, exited right armpit. Dog continued to try to bite me, and had to be kicked off of me. He ran several blocks before expiring.

The last was shot with a 9mm Winchester Ranger-T 124gr. Much the same shot as above, little lower on the shoulder. The dog continued toward me, then collpased about a foot from me, still trying to bite me. It was dead within 30 seconds.


You know what the moral of the story is?









I need to start shooting dogs in the head.

Chance favors the prepared mind....it a good quote and I dont know who the give the credit to

Under Siege II: Dark Territory.

Never really worked for me without Erica Elaniac...



This just reminded me of the pocket pistol thread...

For me, after reading this post with interest, I need a firearm that I can shoot and handle well, given the amount of shooting that I am able to do as a civilian, with a real job and real family and ammo that costs real money. So, for me, I have settled on 9mm for my CCW firearms. They are slightly different, but similar. I have a Kahr PM9 for warm weather or deeper concealment and a M&P 9mm for when I am dressed to conceal a weapon of that size. I prefer the S&W, as I am a better shot with it, but can do passably with the little Kahr as well. I have a J-frame with a bobbed hammer that I will rarely drop in a pocket holster for a quick trip out but I don't carry it on a regular basis. I rarely carry multiple magazines, especially with the M&P, occasionally with the Kahr. Just what works for me.

She was in the 1st Under Seige movie, not Under Seige II, not that it matters, she's still easy on the eyes.