|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,294 Likes: 2
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,294 Likes: 2 |
John, I've been a climber, backpacker and mountain hunter my whole life. It's no secret I love Kimber MT rifles. But there's an end to where "light" makes sense and begins to become a Quixotic Pursuit.
To me, the Kimber Mtn Ascent is in the "Quixotic" category.
At the end of the day, a rifle has to settle down for the shot, and since I find a stock Kimber 308 MT to be at the ragged edge of light, I suspect a lot of folks are like me and will pass on the Mtn Ascent as just too much of a good thing.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 18,508
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 18,508 |
Agreed Brad, Like I mentioned in another post about large objectives, Americans are guilty of thinking if a little of something is good, A lot must be better.
There's always a trade off.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 262
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 262 |
I've not been able to find one in other than .308 or .270 win. I'm holding out for the 30.06 version but now it's no longer listed on Kimber's website.
Kimber's website shows the 84L chambered in 270, 280AI, and 30-06. Curious where you heard they discontinued the 30-06. The 84L, yes. But the Mountain Ascent only shows the .308. (and I like .308's...I just wanted it in the 30.06 instead)
"Don't let so much reality into your life that there's no room left for dreaming"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 743
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 743 |
The 84L, yes. But the Mountain Ascent only shows the .308. (and I like .308's...I just wanted it in the 30.06 instead)
http://www.kimberamerica.com/rifles/model-84lScroll down to find what you seek. They make an 84L Ascent.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 262
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 262 |
Thanks. What was lost is now found.
"Don't let so much reality into your life that there's no room left for dreaming"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,748
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,748 |
I agree that 'light' can go too far. However, if I could move weight from the action area to the end of the barrel where it would contribute to stability I believe you could go lighter than the Montana. A little anyway. Other factors there such as the cartridge and recoil would come into play though. An example would be going to a carbon fiber mag box, Ti bolt to shave a few ounces, then adding iron sights. Might be a smidge lighter overall, yet as stable, or more.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 374
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 374 |
I would like to try out one of those 84L Montanas. Had a 'regular' 84L in '06 for a while. Always looking for my 'perfect' hunting rifle even though if I did find one, it'd be a sad day. Too much fun trying to find 'the one'.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,294 Likes: 2
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,294 Likes: 2 |
I agree that 'light' can go too far. However, if I could move weight from the action area to the end of the barrel where it would contribute to stability I believe you could go lighter than the Montana. A little anyway. Other factors there such as the cartridge and recoil would come into play though. An example would be going to a carbon fiber mag box, Ti bolt to shave a few ounces, then adding iron sights. Might be a smidge lighter overall, yet as stable, or more. Don't disagree, but we're dealing with "what is" not "what could be."
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,874
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,874 |
Brad,
Have you owned an 84M Montana and 84L Montana at the same time?
Would appreciate your thoughts on handling between the two if you done both. I know the 8400 feels awkward to me but its been awhile since I've seen an 84L around.
Jason
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,101
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,101 |
[quote=GreatWaputi]Ask the dumbass TAK how that rifle shoots now it's in competent hands? The biggest flaw the kimber he owned had was the idiot pulling the trigger. [/quote
Careful. He will tell you that some celebrity shooter wont allow kimbers( input any item he has heard bad things about). On their range. Then call you clueless for politely telling him to piss in the wind]
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,920 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,920 Likes: 2 |
At the end of the day, a rifle has to settle down for the shot, and since I find a stock Kimber 308 MT to be at the ragged edge of light, I suspect a lot of folks are like me and will pass on the Mtn Ascent as just too much of a good thing.
I agree. The 84M Montana, especially in larger calibers, is almost too light to shoot really well from field positions. My only experience with the Mountain Ascent is holding one in a gun store, but it seemed to be too much of a good thing, and I strongly suspect it would be really difficult to shoot well.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,274
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,274 |
I'm another one with a 7mm-08 Montana that wasn't worth the price of admission. S/N KM195XX. For a while I assumed it was my bench technique. To summarize, the barrel was rough inside, with not-so-well formed rifling, according to the borescope. No bedding compound either, just dropped in the stock. Three 120 Ballistic tips went into about 4" from a cold, fouled barrel, fired very slowly. Let the barrel warm up, and heck, it would put 3 into one hole. Carrying a barrel warmer would seem to add excessive weight, however I fire lapped it and bedded it with Brownells steel bed (which FWIW is almost a perfect color math to the stock). So now it's doing 2" from a cold fouled barrel. It seems to like 140's a little better than 120's. I still think my bench technique needs work; getting more horizontal stringing now. I'll keep fiddling with it I guess, for this season. Next year, unless I suddenly have some epiphany, it will get a better barrel - which is what it should have had, for $1000. Kimber designs really cool, interesting, attractive guns, then cuts corners building them, IMO.
"...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,500 Likes: 3
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,500 Likes: 3 |
Tex n cal,
I've seen horizontal stringing occur often with shooters that aren't getting the rifle butt in the shoulder pocket...often it's short armed guys or women that are trying to get into the scope better and let the butt rest on outer shoulder or upper arm....recoil slides the butt down the arm etc....I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say.....
My Montana 338 Federal has to really be tucked into the shoulder pocket against a good cheek weld.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 22,737
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 22,737 |
Tex n cal,
I've seen horizontal stringing occur often with shooters that aren't getting the rifle butt in the shoulder pocket...often it's short armed guys or women that are trying to get into the scope better and let the butt rest on outer shoulder or upper arm....recoil slides the butt down the arm etc....I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say.....
My Montana 338 Federal has to really be tucked into the shoulder pocket against a good cheek weld. Yes, 84M Montana's will make more than a few spruce up their form and technique.
My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,776
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,776 |
Ever heard of Kimber Roulette, this is the 2K version of the game. Laffin
The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment. � WARREN G. BENNIS
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,274
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,274 |
Tex n cal,
I've seen horizontal stringing occur often with shooters that aren't getting the rifle butt in the shoulder pocket...often it's short armed guys or women that are trying to get into the scope better and let the butt rest on outer shoulder or upper arm....recoil slides the butt down the arm etc....I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say.....
My Montana 338 Federal has to really be tucked into the shoulder pocket against a good cheek weld. Who me? short armed? Good tip, I will watch for it next trip - though like I say, when the barrel warms up it starts stacking them.
"...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,443
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,443 |
I would say the 84L balanced better for me. It felt like there was more weight forward in it.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,020 Likes: 5
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,020 Likes: 5 |
How about the 84M Classic Select? I'm about to get one in 7-08 and wonder if they are the same barreled action as the montana or if it has a heavier barrel.
Don't just be a survivor, be a competitor.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,318
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,318 |
I have a Kimber Mtn. Ascent in 280 Ackley. Had to play around with some loads to get it right. 62 grains H4831SC and a 140 grain Barnes Triple Shock works in that rifle. 3 shots under an inch with a cold bore. Shot an animalope with it so far. Maybe a muley next. Also have an 8400 Montana 300 WSM and a Classic 270 WSM that I have killed many elk, deer, and antelope with. I've never had a problem. Guess I've been lucky. I really like my Mountain Ascent. Never had a rifle with a weed burner before and I actually like the recoil reduction it's just really loud so you have to wear good ear protection. Just my experience.
Last edited by sheephunter2; 10/21/13.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 13,401
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 13,401 |
How about the 84M Classic Select? I'm about to get one in 7-08 and wonder if they are the same barreled action as the montana or if it has a heavier barrel. Same barrel and action as the Montana, just CM instead of SS.
“There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot.” ALDO LEOPOLD
|
|
|
|
175 members (66Block, 1OntarioJim, 30incher, AceBall, 257_X_50, 19 invisible),
1,098
guests, and
967
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,979
Posts18,519,934
Members74,020
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|