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so extending unemployment is going to be $6b?
how much are we giving in foreign aid to the middle east?
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Who would want to live on unemployment wages anyway?
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Just to put some of this in perspective, We the USA spend 50 billion every year on foreign aid, that's cash, not all the military and humanitarian aid. yet you snivel whine and name call me because I feel we should help our friends and neighbors first. And we could still bank 20 billion dollars. CBO looked at four extension options and estimated the cost of each. --Fully extending both federal programs for a year, which carries a price tag of $30 billion You can thank me later or, GFY 
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What you don't "get" is that if you want to help people, you stop enabling them.
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We have a spare Billion we give to Egypt each and every year, are you "non socialist" sniveling about those "resources"? Damn right I am. Along with the other TRILLION in deficit spending we are doing.
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You just drop them right? That way theyll fend for themselves right? Theyll take that Walmart job when they run out of food, right? Sure, and end up in another trap provided by welfare, housing, and food stamps. Some bright ideas in here, none of which gets them back to work making living wages the rest of us dont have to subsidize.
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What you don't "get" is that if you want to help people, you stop enabling them.
That makes as much sense as saying cops, cause bank robbers or fireman cause arsonist or that peanut butter and jelly causes famine. I'm on a roll here huh? Hell forest fires prevent bears so think what they would do for for the unemployed!
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Jimy, where would you draw the line?
Would you not agree that there has to be a limit?
There are fun jobs out there - I was once paid to be a squirt bottle operator/judge at a wet tee shirt contest. That's livin large!
I went from managing an engineering department to being a shift worker dealing with instrumentation and controls in a refinery when my job disappeared. I have worked the last 6 Christmas and New Years. Right thru the teen years of my last son at home.
Had to find a job 40 miles away from my last one, but I did it.
26 weeks is a generous period to allow a serious job hunter to scope out the local area. Do that for the 1st 6 weeks or so and then pack your bags and have the remaining 20 as a cushion.
Have a good day man. In honor of personal freedom and the open squirrel season, I think I'll go put a hole through dinner's head.
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You just drop them right? That way theyll fend for themselves right? Theyll take that Walmart job when they run out of food, right? Sure, and end up in another trap provided by welfare, housing, and food stamps. Some bright ideas in here, none of which gets them back to work making living wages the rest of us dont have to subsidize. If a person is willing to go that route, then a very very good chance exists that they weren't that valuable in the workforce to begin with.
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Just to put some of this in perspective, We the USA spend 50 billion every year on foreign aid, that's cash, not all the military and humanitarian aid. yet you snivel whine and name call me because I feel we should help our friends and neighbors first. And we could still bank 20 billion dollars. CBO looked at four extension options and estimated the cost of each. --Fully extending both federal programs for a year, which carries a price tag of $30 billion You can thank me later or, GFY You act like the people who are against your proposed infinite unemployment benefits are for giving aid to countries like Egypt. I would guess that most are not. I know I am not. As for the logical fallacy of the false equivalence that you are trying to use, well, two wrongs don't make a right, which is why it's a logical fallacy......
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Of course there has to be a time for it to end, but never has this or any other country seen the kind of job looses we have experienced over the last ten years.
There are fewer jobs now than when Obama took office, we are simply not creating jobs at a rate to absorb the new college gradates and the unemployed , neither of which have the experience that many of todays jobs require.
There is no easy way out of this dilemma, things that worked in the past have failed miserably, I don't have the answers but I do know what a desperate man is capable of, we do not need to create more criminals or destroy more families.
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We have a spare Billion we give to Egypt each and every year, are you "non socialist" sniveling about those "resources"? And another $5,500,000,000 ($5.5 billion) to Israel. Pretty soon it adds up to big bucks! see: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html
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Of course there has to be a time for it to end, but never has this or any other country seen the kind of job looses we have experienced over the last ten years. I'm not sure if you're joking or an idiot. Sincerely, The Great Depression
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another $5,500,000,000 ($5.5 billion) to Israel and 5 billion to solyndra
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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I really do feel many of you just don't understand the economics and the benefits of this program.
The total cost is not or can not be figured on a zero sum basis, this money benefits many as it spent and re spent in your community, as an example the local grocer, the gas station and any other of the hundreds of places we all spend money.
Some one mentioned letting them loose their home, brilliant idea, then the rest of you make up the property tax revenue and the crack heads have a place to crash, inturn costing the rest of you more cash in the form of added police protection and medical costs.
These are good people that can with some help once again contribute to the betterment of the community or can become a life time burden on all involved. I'm sorry your commie logic just don't understand work ethic or having to bear the responsibility for things that take place in your life.
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Jimy, let this non native speaker give you an English lesson.
When someone tells you to man-up, that's not sniveling, nor whining.
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Of course there has to be a time for it to end, but never has this or any other country seen the kind of job looses we have experienced over the last ten years. I'm not sure if you're joking or an idiot. Sincerely, The Great Depression Huge difference between then and now. The majority, of any of us, wont be hired on our word. The whole HR process didnt exist as it does today. Are there jobs out there? Yes, not many but yes. Landing that job, totally different story. 4 out of 6 vendors at a local job fair, hiring upwards up 300 people, turned away every former employee from our company due to over qualification. 300 jobs that were basically worthless.
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I do know what a desperate man is capable of, we do not need to create more criminals or destroy more families. It might change the way they vote and how they look at life but if they have been on the dole that long, I doubt it. miles
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Jimy, let this non native speaker give you an English lesson.
When someone tells you to man-up, that's not sniveling, nor whining. Dutch, no need for lessons here, I quit working (for myself}when I was 50,semi retired, I just see men as more than taxable dividends, I helped my men get jobs before I quit, my men were my friends, neighbors and partners in business. I lent them money, bought them cars and paid their doctor bills when they couldn't, and when I need to get work out the door they busted azz for me, that's just how it works. Some will never get it, and they don't deserve to.
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The hatred is deep in many of you, but the names are great, you guys are creative. Simple but creative.
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