Rocket scientists would just laff their azz off at ladders! Hell, they even set some world records in Registered matches with the National benchrest shooter's Ass'n with moving backers!
I played with the "ladder" in the late 70's, it was mental masturbation then, it is a total goat rop'en now.
Not exactly true as the late Harold Vaughn was, literally, a rocket scientist and he goes into great detail why the "ladder" type load development works to minimize vertical dispersion in his ground breaking book "Rifle Accuracy Facts".
Not only did he take pictures of the bullet during exit but also mounted accelerometers to track muzzle oscillation.
There really is no debate that vertical dispersion changes with the timing of the bullets exit and the oscillations of the barrel. Timing the bullet exit to an upswing in the barrel oscillation will produce a load with less vertical at distance than a load that exits on a downswing in the barrel oscillation.
Whether or not this slight improvement in vertical is important to a hunter or even if he can find it with his equipment or shooting ability is really the question.
Obviously Lil Fish is not going to find much to be gained. When Kimber MTs and wannabe Rem TIs being shot of a backpack are your holy grail then getting to technical with the load development is really a waste of time.
Ladder type load development would not have fixed ass shooting this buck at 500yds. Learning how to shoot and getting a decent rifle for the job would be a smarter answer.
Most of us with much hunting experience are loath to kiss hunting rounds. Sometimes it is the only play a guy has with a poorly designed or poorly executed chamber but that hardly makes it the technique of choice if one has a decent rifle.
Personally I don’t use a powder charge ladder type of load development because I can keep vertical dispersion within my needs by moving seating depths (seating ladders). Having chambers that allow jump gives a guy options.
If I ever got serious about match shooting again I would unquestionably run both powder and seating ladders and give up a few FPS for a slight gain in vertical.
As Ric posted earlier a fellow might already be shooting a load that exits on the upswing and nothing will be gained, but the only way to know is to shoot the ladders and see for yourself.
Lil Fish,
I do declare you shoot some of the biggest little bucks around. I just can't figure if you are bitching or bragging.
Love and Kisses John
Excellent post
Originally Posted by Bristoe
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
So this mean I should tell the wife to save a stamp and take you off my birthday party guest list ? And before you say yes....theres gonna pony rides and window flavored cake.
You have CLEARLY Posted that you are a [bleep] Idiot and that is not to be refuted. Congratulations?!?
Bless your heart.
Laffin'!
Dang Boxer you posted and forgot your "look at me photo"! Everyone is so disappointed. So I will post one for you.
Here is one for you of your Hornet with a 32 Amax AND the 338 "Super Hornet" with 295 Hornady, along with the 300 HSM (30-375 Ruger) and 208 Amax plus little pea shooters for 338 Super Hornet and HSM LR pistol.
I tried that ladder load stuff once... After all was said and done I walked 3-4 miles, shoot walk down mark target, shoot walk down mark target, shoot walk down mark target you see a theme here. Well I took that great worthless information I mean great information and ran home like a pimple faced high schooler who just scored shannon tweed porn. Loaded up some rounds based off my "results" few days later back to the range pretty proud of myself and start shooting hey WTF none these [bleep] things are grouping ah WTF I wasted all that powder good [bleep] bullets for this [bleep]! Now days I find my max overall length adjust and go from there. I'm fat realize I need excerise but walking back and forth 900 [bleep] times is for the birds! Anyhow here is a picture of my bou 400yds no ladder testing required
Oh my daughter bou shot a day later 320yds no ladder testign required either.
Last edited by 79S; 03/10/14.
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
No walking needed, unless you need it, and it sounds like you need it, so the Audette is perfect for not only your rifle/load combo, but also your fat ass.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
No walking needed, unless you need it, and it sounds like you need it, so the Audette is perfect for not only your rifle/load combo, but also your fat ass.
Ah thanks for the encouragement.
STEADFAST AND LOYAL
Last edited by 79S; 03/10/14.
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
I�ll be the first to admit I�m not a long range shooter. Prolly most of all ya�ll shoot better than I do. However with the right rifle, scope and zero,even as a short range meat hunter, I�m very comfortable out 300 yards and in certain circumstances, to 400 yds. I�ve only made one shot longer. A lazer ranged 590 yards on a white-tail doe. But I knew my ballistics and got lucky.
So having said that
79S,
No offense meant here,and not to take anything away from your accomplishments, but 300 to 400 yard shots on a Caribou sized animal is not really what one would consider long range game is it?
I would think 750 yds. out would be more of what I consider to be long range. Am I mistaken?
An example
I call this �the canopy�
It is one of the highest spots on our lease. From here you can see to infinity for about 240degrees of a circle. If you look closely at the opening in the foreground to the left of the rifle muzzle, there is a dead hoglet. Distance is +/-174 yds.
Here is a view looking in a westerly direction
Spincast feeder, 175 yds. +/- Left dot, 650 yds +/- Right dot, 900 yds. +/- Middle dot, 1,200 yds. +/-
Now a little different view of the same. The tom turkey under the dot is strutting about 1,200 yards away.
Now being able to put a bullet in that turkey at 1,200 yds. off a rest would be a worthy �long range� shot IMHO
I would never attempt to shoot at anything past 400 yds. If you want to shoot turkey, deer, elk, moose, out to 1200,1300,1400,1500, 2 miles out knock yourself out. But not me.
Last edited by 79S; 03/10/14.
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
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