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The stupid runs strong in this one.

Tucson was part of Mexico when Tucson was founded, so they weren't coming across the border - they were in Mexico. just like everything south of the Arkansas River was part of Mexico until the end if the Mexican American War and the signing of the Guadalupe Hidalgo Treaty in 1848.

And now, illegal alien children from many countries are streaming across the border in the tens of thousands every month because their parents and their home countries expect Obama to unilaterally give amnesty to alien children.

And yes, you are a fool. You can look it up if you don't believe me.



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Actually, New Spain, Mexico didn't try to proclaim independence until 1810, and wasn't recognized as independent by Spain until 1836.

I don't know about your numbers, but there are definitely a lot of kids showing up now at the border. Obama is going to have to deal with, or ignore, the un-inteneded consequences of his policies.

like every president.

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Actually, it doesn't trump anything. But it is a perfect piece of internet propaganda.

Review the picture, three components. A very sympathetic veteran, clearly disabled, an attractive woman, and a cute kid.

Now some text, which purports to be from the wife.

States a direct action cause and effect, which is unlikely, unless she is saying Bergdahl shot her husband. States Bergdahl is a traitor, which the wife, IF she said this, would have no way of knowing, (other than the unimpeachable internet).

She is purporting to blame Bergdahl, but not Osama Bin Laden, not Mullah Omar, not George Bush, Not Dick Cheney, all of whom had more influence on her husband being in Afghanistan in 2009 than Bergdahl.

There are 3 generations in this country raised on television. They are easy pickings for the internet.

You will be told what to think, and what to believe, and you will be made to believe that your true enemy is right next door, right down the street, in the next county, or school district, or state.

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You have a point even if I get my azz handed to me.

I never could figure out why a man would be a mercenary with a beautiful wife especially for peanuts. I can understand my friend doing it for hundreds of thousands but peanuts?


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Is that really how you see our armed forces. With your background I'll admit I'm surprised you'd use such a broad brush.


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Sycamore, this is harsh and a shame to say but you're a fool. You have Muslims coming across your own state border because your Muslim POTUS and his collegues wish it so. And they're not coming here to love and cuddle us. They along with the hispanic insurgents are illegally changing the demographics of the United States and you sympathise with Husseins mode of operation.


Shootem,

I doubt that he is a muslim.

He's probably in way over his head, and doesn't have a very talented group of advisers.

It's scarier to think he is a genius, bent on destroying the country from within, so that makes an easier sell, on the internet, on TV, and in the papers (for those who still read the papers)

He's no more my president than yours.

Muslims coming across the borders in my state are probably outnumbered by the muslims earning PhDs in your state universities.

The muslims coming across the border in my state probably want to start a liquor store in Phoenix.

Hispanics having been coming across the border here since before there was a border, in 1848. They founded Tucson in 1776, actually a double whammy , Hugo O'Connor, a Filthy Irishman and a Filthy Hispanic!

Lately, since World War II, they have been coming over with the full knowledge and support of the Arizona Republican Party in order to provide lower wages in agriculture, construction, gardening, and maid service.

You can look it up if you don't believe me.

I may be a fool, but not because of the points you raised.

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Yes, he is a Muslim.

Yes, he does have good advisors. Just not the advisors with the best interest of the United States in mind.

No, he is far from genius material but is content to contribute whatever he can toward the goals and objectives of the radical Muslim movement.

Well, if he isn't your president you hide the fact well.

Illegals and insurgents living freely in the United States belittle and insult the Constitution AND the Bill of Rights.

Yes, if the Muslims are coming across the Arizona border in order to open liquor stores in Phoenix, well I guess that's OK.

The couldn't POSSIBLY have smuggled themselves across a national border with evil intent in mind.

ANYONE, including hispanics, coming illegally across the U.S./Mexico border is a CRIMINAL. All else is irrelevant.

The Republicans, Democrats and Republicrats who support the illegal importation of pro-socialist agenda insurgents are violating their oath of office and should be dismissed.

I didn't need to look anything up. I knew it already. And if you support this illegal POTUS, then yes you are a fool.


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Is that really how you see our armed forces. With your background I'll admit I'm surprised you'd use such a broad brush.


I don't have the time or band width to give a complete history lesson but since the Spanish American War the US government has been trying to build a world empire for the capitalist profiteers. To build a world empire the government needs a world class military of professionals. Up to the Vietnam War to fill the ranks of the professional military a draft was used. After Vietnam the draft was ended although young men over the age of eighteen still have to sign up. Today, any person who signs up is a mercenary for the world class professional military necessary to maintain a world empire. Unfortunately, I listen to way too many people of both sexes say the reason for joining is for some monetary advantage that can't be gotten in the civilian world yet they try to say it's for patriotic reason. No doubt some do do it patriotic reasons but not many. At least my friend admitted he work for a military contractor for the money not some patriotic reason. And he was in combat as a military contractor.

If we followed the Constitution we would have a world class Army and Air Force to defend the sovereignty of the USA and it's territories and a world class Navy to keep the sea lanes open for our maritime commerce and that's it.

So yes I meant what I said.


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Derby,

I disagree. I believe that most volunteers truly believe in duty, honor, country. They, like me, were taught from the earliest age, that to put one's life on the line for your country, was the epitome of service, and what it means to be a man, and to take ones place among men.

By the same token, I hold all of our politicians to a very high standard, not to use our military in any foolish, wasteful, or un-necessary conflict.


Not that they give a schidt what I think.

this generation has seen so many deployments, and stayed in, its a warrior generation like we haven't seen in this country in a long time, maybe since the Marines were deployed every few years in the 20s and 30s.

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Originally Posted by Sycamore
Derby,

I disagree. I believe that most volunteers truly believe in duty, honor, country. They, like me, were taught from the earliest age, that to put one's life on the line for your country, was the epitome of service, and what it means to be a man, and to take ones place among men.

By the same token, I hold all of our politicians to a very high standard, not to use our military in any foolish, wasteful, or un-necessary conflict.


Not that they give a schidt what I think.

this generation has seen so many deployments, and stayed in, its a warrior generation like we haven't seen in this country in a long time, maybe since the Marines were deployed every few years in the 20s and 30s.

Sycamore


Maybe you are right. States can't exist without useful idiots.


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All I see is more passive aggressive liberal bullshiite.


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Now some text, which purports to be from the wife.

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........States a direct action cause and effect, which is unlikely, unless she is saying Bergdahl shot her husband. States Bergdahl is a traitor, which the wife, IF she said this, would have no way of knowing, (other than the unimpeachable internet).

She is purporting to blame Bergdahl, but not Osama Bin Laden, not Mullah Omar, not George Bush, Not Dick Cheney, all of whom had more influence on her husband being in Afghanistan in 2009 than Bergdahl.


Bergdahl left his weapon, gathered his gear and deserted. Noone mad him volunteer for the military. The draft ended long ago. Nobody made him go to Afghanistan. He agreed to assignment as part of his voluntary service. He left behind his commitment to duty. He was in agreement with his peers and combat brothers to bear his weight and yield the support to them that they yielded to him. He violated that commitment of his own free will. There are reputable testimonies this man went to the other side because of his personal beliefs. All this, and yet his companions in battle still went out facing death to try and rescue him who appears now to be a traitor. His companions did not choose desertion. Some chose permanent disability or death over desertion in misguided support of a traitor they considered to be one of them.
And it does not end with the soldier. His despicable father had the inhuman gall to praise the false god Allah while standing with your president at the White (but defiled) House. This soldier, his family, your president and even his family, all together are unfit to bear one hair of the head from even one loyal soldier that died or was injured because of these acts. This is a disgusting chapter in the history book of the United States of America and I pray the one true and living God take revenge on those responsible.


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I just can't believe anyone with more than two brain cells continues to give any cover to the Traitor. In case you are confused I am talking about the the traitor in chief. As for the deserter short trial long rope sounds about right.


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Sycamore, like all liberals, doesn't give two chits about bergdahl; he's trying to wipe the wet poop off his presidents face. Liberals hate the troops, regardless.



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Actually, it doesn't trump anything. But it is a perfect piece of internet propaganda.


I thought the cartoon was lame, featuring a bunch of straw men while ignoring the facts. IOW typical Liberal propaganda.

And if the photo portrays what it says, it trumps rather a lot.

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I think it's more of an IQ test than a Rorschach.



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Obama is, was, and always has been F'ed up. He never came down from his marijuana high - and it's obvious he DID inhale (unlike Billy-boy)
We will suffer the repercussions for decades.

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Originally Posted by watch4bear
Sycamore, like all liberals, doesn't give two chits about bergdahl; he's trying to wipe the wet poop off his presidents face. Liberals hate the troops, regardless.


In 2 sentences, you've crammed in a bunch of falsehoods, par for you.

I don't know Bergdahl, as he is an American, I am glad he is out of the grasp of the Enemy.

As for what he did, or didn't do, I want him to be investigated, prosecuted if warranted, and punished if convicted.

Nothing I could do or say, here, or from the highest mountain, would ( or should) excuse anything Obama has done, or not done. Like many a president before him he sought the office out of pride, and self-conceit , and was found wanting. I include him in with a bunch of them.

I doubt if liberals hate the troops. What would you call people who use the troops for short term political advantage? Supporters, or Haters?

I'm still glad bin Laden is dead, and I wish Mullah Omar was dead as well.



Somehow, I missed your sig photo when you posted, it showed up when I quoted you.

Is that supposed to be Fasl?

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Or just a photo-shop?





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We never tried these guys for anything, chances are they were enemy combatants, not terrorists. They were in the Army of their country, or the government. We invaded their country, kicked their asses and took them prisoner. That makes them POW not terrorists. (I'm assuming, I don't know their particulars)


That war is winding down, prisoners were going to be exchanged.

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A couple of them are wanted for war crimes. They all provided aid to Al Qaeda which makes them terrorists. Furthermore, the war isn't winding down. Your just repeating Tyrant Obama the Liar's propaganda. We are still fighting Al Qaeda and Afghanistan is still fighting the Taliban.



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This trumps your bullshite cartoon.




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A couple of them are wanted for war crimes. They all provided aid to Al Qaeda which makes them terrorists.


We had them in GTMO for 10 years and didn't charge them with schidt!

Half the cops and firemen in Boston and New York sent money to the IRA for 80 years.

Does that make them terrorists?

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