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I remember a theory put forth many years ago (a theory that may have been debunked by now) that a small charge of powder that lays below the primer can "detonate" all at once, instead of burning end to end. Could that be what your builder is alluding to? This is not a theory that I ascribe to necessarily, just trying to figure out where your builder is coming from.
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Glad your ok MB and hope the gun is salvagable.
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I was cooking something last night and put in a bunch of Black Pepper instead of Cinnamon that was in a similar container. Had to pour it all out and start over. I screwed up, just saying.
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I'm not ruling out the strong possibility that I might have screwed up, but in my mind I will never know for sure.
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If you were using a powder measure to dump the loads, that is where your "mistake" lay. It bridged slightly and double-charged.
Always use a dipper for Blue Dot fun.
Always weigh every loaded case after you are finished and before firing it.
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I wonder if the case could have been defective, maybe a small crack in or around the neck? Perhaps the case ruptured under normal pressure. How many times had those brass been resized and reloaded?
I'm not sure about the density of that load. Would a double charge even be possible if the bullet were seated properly?
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If you were using a powder measure to dump the loads, that is where your "mistake" lay. It bridged slightly and double-charged.
Always use a dipper for Blue Dot fun.
Always weigh every loaded case after you are finished and before firing it. Guy already SAID he was weighing every charge. Glad your OK, hope you can salvage the beast. GTC
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Yes a double load will fit in the case.
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I have to ask...why Blue Dot in a rifle cartridge? I've been asking the same thing for 30+ years. . Do a search on this site, and you will find a whole bunch of info on the subject. Oh,,, I'm well aware of that. Lots of guys have been doing it since well before the internet, let alone the Fire, and most have (or know of) someone who's had "mysterious mishaps" like the OP. I just don't see the point in it when there are so many sub-sonic options these days but hey,,, rock on,,, it's your guns, eyes, and fingers.
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blue dot done right and I tend to use kapok filler to keep it at the primer, has never been an issue over the years.
But I'm also anal, I won't weigh a charge and then seat the bullet, I LOOK visually at each case after charging with a flashlight. Just to make sure it looks right. Even though an actual WEIGHED charge should be just fine. But the OP did say it COULD have been double... that means there is some doubt. IIRC.
Glad all turned out allright though. Guns are cheap compared....
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Mathematical translation
BLUE DOT X 2= BROWN SPOT +(-1K$).
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You do know why Trail Boss and SR-4579 were invented?.
P.S - glad you're okay. And I've played with Blue Dot to some degree, but luckily (I suppose) it never gave me any sort of accuracy.
I have read that SR4759 is discontinued Sycamore Local store had a few powders last week. They had about twenty cans of SR4759. It makes absolutely great reduced loads in most large rifle cartridges. But I was looking for SR 4756, and they had none of that.
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10-4:) Had the same thought, but would be interesting what this "builders" thought process's were. Not that it really matters in the end.
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How many text or calls did you receive while reloading??
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Well,I do not believe that BD is a useful RIFLE powder.I still ask WHY? Somebody will always try something,that will run on the the edge of dangerous, this make no sense to me.
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I have never like Blue Dot period , but used to use Green Dot and Unique for my Shot Shell Loading for Dove Hunting . I always wonder why people want to use Shotgun Powder for loading a rifle case when rifle powder is available. If i was making a guess for you mishap it was to much air space in the case and powder position against the primer
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If everything anyone ever did was ONLY waht the label showed it worked for we'd still be shooting muskets..... and who printed the load data for muskets?
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You do know why Trail Boss and SR-4579 were invented?.
P.S - glad you're okay. And I've played with Blue Dot to some degree, but luckily (I suppose) it never gave me any sort of accuracy.
I have read that SR4759 is discontinued Sycamore It has been, but there's still some in the supply pipeline. And who knows? They may bring it back like last time it was discontinued. Trail Boss and 5744 make pretty good subs for SR 4759. I bought a couple pounds of it for experimenting in .45 Colt, but since Brian Pearce published "Redhawk Only" data for the .45 Colt in the October issue of Handloader, I'll likely stick with one of those powders for my thermo-nuclear loads and Unique or 5744 for lighter stuff.
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There you go, Trail Boss for lead only.
5744 for lead and a few jacketed loads. Both good for large volume/low charge. Can work with fillers if you care to go that route.
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