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There's reasons why people are leaving the church in droves, especially young people...and it ain't because they're all being pulled away by outside influences. In too many instances, it's because they are being driven away by some of those inside the church. Yep!
The first time I shot myself in the head...
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There's reasons why people are leaving the church in droves, especially young people...and it ain't because they're all being pulled away by outside influences. In too many instances, it's because they are being driven away by some of those inside the church. I sorta agree. I left the church within five years of becoming a Christian. That was thirty-five years ago. Most Christians are not serious about the Bible.
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Most Christians are not serious about the Bible. You flatter yourself... Kent
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Ehrman, again?
See this:
thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/lywaay/bart-
Ehrman is a media success and a scholarly failure. Read up on his work and you see virtually everything he says is easily refuted. He preys upon weak ill informed minds.
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But according to the Pope, Catholics are the only righteous one's and everyone else, including all others who consider themselves "Christian" are on a one way trip to Hell. Not true. Clearly not since Vatican II (1964)
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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Scott F, Sever have asked for your opinion and all you give is references. Not answering a simple question just ticks off people who ask and does nothing but harm your testimony. I am sorry God's Word bothers them. I get my opinion from God's Word. Whenever I get a Bible question I answer with the Bible. Ask my opinion about things that are not absolute and I will give the opinion I hold at the time. If you were to ask me a machining question, a subject I know a lot about I would not reference you to a page in the Machineries Handbook but rather do my best to answer your question in a straight up and adult way. The Machineries Handbook is not in the league of the Bible. A guy at wanted me to teach him some stuff about machining. I told him, "I am a self taught guy who would refer you to Keven up stairs. Keven is a professional machinist with schooling and years of experience. Ask him." My advice would be to answer their question or disengage from the subject. You attitude is more shooting yourself in the foot that furthering the message of Christ. Just my thoughts on the subject. My testimony is the Word of God. You really should listen to Scott. It was very good advise. It seems obvious to me that Ringman has revealed himself to be a Heavyweight on what the Bible SAYS, but a Lightweight on what it MEANS.
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He can copy and paste but not explain. He's wordy without saying anything. He judges from ignorance of past words rather than insight of present and future spirit.
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• Jesus did not speak English.
• None of His apostles spoke English.
• None of them wrote anything in English.
• No part of the Bible was originally written in English.
• There are many mistranslations in the Bible
(some intentional [political correctness],
some unavoidable [linguistic complexities]).
• The meanings of many English words in the Bible
have changed since those long-gone days of
King James's English.
• Many key English words in the Bible have several
meanings — not inevitably what a modern reader so easily
takes 'em to mean.
• What counts — today as much as then —is
what the original words meant
to their speakers, writers, hearers, and readers then.
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The first time I shot myself in the head...
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• Jesus did not speak English.
• None of His apostles spoke English.
• None of them wrote anything in English.
• No part of the Bible was originally written in English.
• There are many mistranslations in the Bible
(some intentional [political correctness],
some unavoidable [linguistic complexities]).
• The meanings of many English words in the Bible
have changed since those long-gone days of
King James's English.
• Many key English words in the Bible have several
meanings — not inevitably what a modern reader so easily
takes 'em to mean.
• What counts — today as much as then —is
what the original words meant
to their speakers, writers, hearers, and readers then. I think someone wrote a book on that called "Misquoting Jesus"??
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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It seems obvious to me that Ringman has revealed himself to be a Heavyweight on what the Bible SAYS, but a Lightweight on what it MEANS. Tell us what "He who has believed and has been baptized will be saved," means. I thoroughly enjoy Bible conversation.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
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• Jesus did not speak English.
• None of His apostles spoke English.
• None of them wrote anything in English.
• No part of the Bible was originally written in English.
• There are many mistranslations in the Bible
(some intentional [political correctness],
some unavoidable [linguistic complexities]).
• The meanings of many English words in the Bible
have changed since those long-gone days of
King James's English.
• Many key English words in the Bible have several
meanings — not inevitably what a modern reader so easily
takes 'em to mean.
• What counts — today as much as then —is
what the original words meant
to their speakers, writers, hearers, and readers then. I think someone wrote a book on that called "Misquoting Jesus"?? Yep, it is Ehrman that is doing most of the "miquoting" and pouring how own meaning into the words of others. He is nothing more than wannabe media sensation selling his books to atheists and other maligners. Ehrman, his "ax to grind" bias and his poor scholarship are exposed in Timothy Paul Jones book: "Misquoting Truth: A guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman's 'Misquoting Jesus." The truth is out there if one is looking for it. If not, you can go with whatever suits your itching ears. TF btw... one of the more interesting refuting of Ehrman is on his claim that only in the Book of John does Jesus claim to be divine. Look as how he chooses his words and how he imports his own interpretation to those words and then ignores all the references to the divinity of Jesus in Matthew, Mark and Luke. The guy is simply a salesman who has a pitch and found a gullible audience.
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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• Jesus did not speak English.
• None of His apostles spoke English.
• None of them wrote anything in English.
• No part of the Bible was originally written in English.
• There are many mistranslations in the Bible
(some intentional [political correctness],
some unavoidable [linguistic complexities]).
• The meanings of many English words in the Bible
have changed since those long-gone days of
King James's English.
• Many key English words in the Bible have several
meanings — not inevitably what a modern reader so easily
takes 'em to mean.
• What counts — today as much as then —is
what the original words meant
to their speakers, writers, hearers, and readers then. I think someone wrote a book on that called "Misquoting Jesus"?? Yep, it is Ehrman that is doing most of the "miquoting" and pouring how own meaning into the words of others. He is nothing more than wannabe media sensation selling his books to atheists and other maligners. Ehrman, his "ax to grind" bias and his poor scholarship are exposed in Timothy Paul Jones book: "Misquoting Truth: A guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman's 'Misquoting Jesus." The truth is out there if one is looking for it. If not, you can go with whatever suits your itching ears. TF btw... one of the more interesting refuting of Ehrman is on his claim that only in the Book of John does Jesus claim to be divine. Look as how he chooses his words and how he imports his own interpretation to those words and then ignores all the references to the divinity of Jesus in Matthew, Mark and Luke. The guy is simply a salesman who has a pitch and found a gullible audience. He's just the most accessible PHD on the subject. You may not like him because he show's the Bible is not what you think it is, but it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of his positions are consistent with the mainstream on textual criticism.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Wide is the way that leads to distruction.
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Wide is the way that leads to distruction. I guess it's non-sequitur hour again.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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It seems obvious to me that Ringman has revealed himself to be a Heavyweight on what the Bible SAYS, but a Lightweight on what it MEANS. Tell us what "He who has believed and has been baptized will be saved," means. I thoroughly enjoy Bible conversation. Did Christ ever baptize with water? Kent
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It seems obvious to me that Ringman has revealed himself to be a Heavyweight on what the Bible SAYS, but a Lightweight on what it MEANS. Tell us what "He who has believed and has been baptized will be saved," means. I thoroughly enjoy Bible conversation. It means that those who have believed and been baptized will be saved. Pretty simple, huh? But that one short sentence DOESN'T say anything about those who have believed but haven't been baptized.
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Wide is the way that leads to distruction. I guess it's non-sequitur hour again. I think in his mind, he just pronounced you as hellbound.
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Re: Ehrman
Here is a quote by an author who goes on to expose the inadequacies of Ehrman scholarship:
"Bart Ehrman’s Misquoting Jesus seeks to fill a market niche by being a book written for people who know nothing about textual criticism."
TF
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• Jesus did not speak English.
• None of His apostles spoke English.
• None of them wrote anything in English.
• No part of the Bible was originally written in English.
• There are many mistranslations in the Bible
(some intentional [political correctness],
some unavoidable [linguistic complexities]).
• The meanings of many English words in the Bible
have changed since those long-gone days of
King James's English.
• Many key English words in the Bible have several
meanings — not inevitably what a modern reader so easily
takes 'em to mean.
• What counts — today as much as then —is
what the original words meant
to their speakers, writers, hearers, and readers then. I think someone wrote a book on that called "Misquoting Jesus"?? Yep, it is Ehrman that is doing most of the "misquoting" and pouring how own meaning into the words of others. He is nothing more than wannabe media sensation selling his books to atheists and other maligners. Ehrman, his "ax to grind" bias and his poor scholarship are exposed in Timothy Paul Jones book: "Misquoting Truth: A guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman's 'Misquoting Jesus." The truth is out there if one is looking for it. If not, you can go with whatever suits your itching ears. TF btw... one of the more interesting refuting of Ehrman is on his claim that only in the Book of John does Jesus claim to be divine. Look as how he chooses his words and how he imports his own interpretation to those words and then ignores all the references to the divinity of Jesus in Matthew, Mark and Luke. The guy is simply a salesman who has a pitch and found a gullible audience. He's just the most accessible PHD on the subject. You may not like him because he shows the Bible is not what you think it is, but it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of his positions are consistent with the mainstream on textual criticism. If Ehrman is the only thing that my post brings to mind, you're missing or side-stepping the point and unaware of its significance. Horribly.
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