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krp, Does Christ personally baptize? If you apply the Words of the New Testament to us today, you find your answer here. Matthew 3:11"He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." And if we receive the Holy Spirit before water baptism? Kent
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krp, And if we receive the Holy Spirit before water baptism? I don't understand the question. What are you asking?
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Re: Ehrman
Here is a quote by an author who goes on to expose the inadequacies of Ehrman scholarship:
"Bart Ehrman’s Misquoting Jesus seeks to fill a market niche by being a book written for people who know nothing about textual criticism."
TF Your quoted author also said: "There is much that is true and correct in this book and which should cause constructive reflection amongst those who believe in the verbal inspiration of Scripture." A couple of comments: Ehrman begins to get lost when he shifts from a critical examination of the texts (he is a textual expert) to interpretation of what the textual variations mean and their impact on theology. It is here that Ehrman breaks down. His unusual and biased conclusions regarding true textual difficulties is where critics of Ehrman have a heyday. While an expert in the technique, he goes astray when he derives philosophical conclusions that are not supported. From a critic: “It's natural to assume that an expert in a very specialized field is also an expert in general. That's a mistaken assumption, however. Dr. Ehrman's work has been invaluable to me as a check to my particular prejudices, but I would not take any of it without critical examination. His style of writing in his popular books allows him to move very subtly from his considered opinions on the history of the text to his less reliable opinions on the consequences of that history. This unfortunate tactic prevents me from wholeheartedly recommending Bart Ehrman's books.” ` TF Note that there is no question of Ehrman's critical examination of the text. His examinations raised the unavoidable questions to the claim that the Bible is the invariant word of a perfect God. At the most basic level, inconsistencies in the text (identified for anyone to see for themselves) are inconsistent with a perfect God.
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krp, And if we receive the Holy Spirit before water baptism? I don't understand the question. What are you asking? Of course you don't... Kent
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krp, Originally Posted By Ringman
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And if we receive the Holy Spirit before water baptism?
I don't understand the question. What are you asking?
Of course you don't... So then the question was not seriously asked. Of course.
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Now you really flatter yourself...
If you don't understand the question it wasn't serious.
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krp, Now you really flatter yourself...
If you don't understand the question it wasn't serious. That's not it. If you were seriously asking a question you would clarify what you were after. What I see is a poster stuck in Luke 11:53-54.
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So, you liken yourself to Jesus and I'm a pharisee.
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krp, So, you liken yourself to Jesus and I'm a pharisee. If you say so. Once at work one of my co-workers was doing what you are doing. There was another worker, a lady, who rolled her eyes at the continued badgering. Finally I asked him if he was trying to trap me in something I might say. He sheepishly said, "Yes." He apologized and we became good friends.
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We won't be friends... I don't care a chit about you... I just show you for what you are... And leave a counterpoint for those thinking you represent Christ's life message...
And reject him for it.
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krp, We won't be friends... I don't care a chit about you... I just show you for what you are... And leave a counterpoint for those thinking you represent Christ's life message...
And reject him for it. You are tell me and those reading this conversation you represent Christ's life message? I don't understand "And reject him for it." What are you trying to say?
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Your obtuseness is faked or epic...
You're been put on ignore by ScottF...
You can't be marginalized more than that...
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TRUMP- GABBARD 2024
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Two things to consider here: "Above all thing, love one another."
"All fall short....", meaning all are wrong in some things.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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… "All fall short …", meaning all are wrong in some things. "All fall short" — "sin" (as inborn human nature) literally (in the original NT Greek) means being less than God
and unable to equal God.
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krp, Your obtuseness is faked or epic... Between those two, it is epic. But there is at least one other option. You really aren't interested in communicating a clear message. You're been put on ignore by ScottF... Here's the problem with you statement. Even Scott F couldn't just put me on "ignore". He had to brag about it and try to gouge me like I am important or something.  
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Let us consider
…28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29"Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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And then there is this
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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As we see, PTL, there is power in the word. The Word is Jesus, but also, being made in His image there is also this: Our words have the power to destroy and the power to build up (Proverbs 12:6). The writer of Proverb tells us, “The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit” (Proverbs 18:21). Are we using words to build up people or destroy them? Are they filled with hate or love, bitterness or blessing, complaining or compliments, lust or love, victory or defeat? Like tools they can be used to help us reach our goals or to send us spiraling into a deep depression. Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/power-of-words.html#ixzz3V8TbEnJF
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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