it's not often you see a pro in the middle of a tournament pick up a ball like that, most everybody is sayng the first thing to do is call for a ruling
One of the sports betting sites refunded all bets anyone made on anyone other than Reed.
Reed never once said that the ball was embedded. He just said that he followed the rules. Rory on the other hand, said that the ball embedded.
Golf doesn’t work if everyone isn’t honest.
Is that what Reed really said?
Yeah, he never said it embedded. He just said that the volunteer told him that it didn’t bounce (it did, of course) and that he then decided to get a rules official over to see if it was embedded. In his interview he never said that he saw it was embedded. That’s the difference between him and Rory in this situation.
He was kicked off the golf team at UGA. About 5 years ago SI did a story on Reed, he is estranged from his parents .Does not want them at the golf course .The article said in one tournament he noticed his parents were in the gallery, he stopped and had security remove them from property. SI pretty much painted him as difficult to get along with, just my two cents.
It is obvious the broadcast crew of CBS despises him. Nance looked like he was gonna [bleep] when the rules guy said nothing was done wrong. Then a whole segment of their whole CBS golf team being interviewed while on air missing good golf to basically say that he's a POS?
THAT was not a good look, and I don't even like Reed and I do indeed think he's an idiot...
Edited to add- Is Reed a conservative? That may explain the hate from the CBS douches.....
it's not often you see a pro in the middle of a tournament pick up a ball like that, most everybody is sayng the first thing to do is call for a ruling
Rory McIlroy had a similar situation. Before he touched the ball, he called attention to the situation to his opponent/playing partner, who agreed he should lift the ball to see if it was imbedded. No need to call an official. On the other hand, Reed, moved his ball, and finger F%$#ed the ground, to create a hole, then called an official over to feel the hole and rule his ball had been embedded. Replay of Reed's ball hitting the ground, then bouncing up about 18 inches, then nestling into deep rough proves the ball could not have embedded itself. Rory's ball also bounced up about 18 inches, but replay shows it looks as if it fell back into the original hole created when the ball first hit the ground. In either case, Rory's reputation is impeccable and he called over his playing partner to confirm the ball was embedded in wet ground . . . Reed on the other hand, who already has a shading reputation, did nether. Plus he continued to push his fingers down into the spot where he had lifted his ball.
Losers always like to whine about "fairness" and "rules". If you want to win, outplay the other guys. If you gotta resort to "But he didn't get a ruling first!" you're a loser.
It is obvious the broadcast crew of CBS despises him. Nance looked like he was gonna [bleep] when the rules guy said nothing was done wrong. Then a whole segment of their whole CBS golf team being interviewed while on air missing good golf to basically say that he's a POS?
THAT was not a good look, and I don't even like Reed and I do indeed think he's an idiot...
Edited to add- Is Reed a conservative? That may explain the hate from the CBS douches.....
I heard rory did the same thing on the 18th hole and he didn't even bother asking a rules official.
As much as I hate Reed, he did nothing wrong here.
Rory also unequivocally said that his ball was embedded. Reed didn’t say that, moved the ball, hunched over the ball, fiddle phuqued around with his fingers in the ground, then asked the official his opinion.
I heard rory did the same thing on the 18th hole and he didn't even bother asking a rules official.
As much as I hate Reed, he did nothing wrong here.
Rory also unequivocally said that his ball was embedded. Reed didn’t say that, moved the ball, hunched over the ball, fiddle phuqued around with his fingers in the ground, then asked the official his opinion.
I heard rory did the same thing on the 18th hole and he didn't even bother asking a rules official.
As much as I hate Reed, he did nothing wrong here.
Rory also unequivocally said that his ball was embedded. Reed didn’t say that, moved the ball, hunched over the ball, fiddle phuqued around with his fingers in the ground, then asked the official his opinion.
What did the official say?
He didn’t ask one because he want trying to finagle a ruling. He just walked up and saw that his ball was embedded.
That’s what you clearly don’t understand about golf. Players are expected to police themselves and call penalties on themselves. It ain’t basketball, the officials don’t determine if there are fouls or if a player touched the inbounds line. The player is expected to call that on himself. Officials are there more for rules clarifications, they are not there to make calls as to situations like that. If there is enough of a question that Reed felt he needed an official to verify it, then he should have played it where it was.
That’s what you clearly don’t understand about golf. Players are expected to police themselves and call penalties on themselves. It ain’t basketball, the officials don’t determine if there are fouls or if a player touched the inbounds line. The player is expected to call that on himself. Officials are there more for rules clarifications, they are not there to make calls as to situations like that. If there is enough of a question that Reed felt he needed an official to verify it, then he should have played it where it was.
That’s what you clearly don’t understand about golf. Players are expected to police themselves and call penalties on themselves. It ain’t basketball, the officials don’t determine if there are fouls or if a player touched the inbounds line. The player is expected to call that on himself. Officials are there more for rules clarifications, they are not there to make calls as to situations like that. If there is enough of a question that Reed felt he needed an official to verify it, then he should have played it where it was.
LOL
You don’t have to like it. But that’s the standard that will see Reed get an actual real live beat down on the course one of these days. Koepka has already pretty much promised one.
You don’t have to like it. But that’s the standard that will see Reed get an actual real live beat down on the course one of these days. Koepka has already pretty much promised one.
That’s what you clearly don’t understand about golf. Players are expected to police themselves and call penalties on themselves. It ain’t basketball, the officials don’t determine if there are fouls or if a player touched the inbounds line. The player is expected to call that on himself. Officials are there more for rules clarifications, they are not there to make calls as to situations like that. If there is enough of a question that Reed felt he needed an official to verify it, then he should have played it where it was.
It's amusing the twists and turns guys make in an attempt to make their delusions match the facts. And then you ironically refer to people being expected to police themselves.
That’s what you clearly don’t understand about golf. Players are expected to police themselves and call penalties on themselves. It ain’t basketball, the officials don’t determine if there are fouls or if a player touched the inbounds line. The player is expected to call that on himself. Officials are there more for rules clarifications, they are not there to make calls as to situations like that. If there is enough of a question that Reed felt he needed an official to verify it, then he should have played it where it was.
It's amusing the twists and turns guys make in an attempt to make their delusions match the facts. And then you ironically refer to people being expected to police themselves.
In golf, you’re expected to call the penalty on yourself or to play the bad lie if there is question. It’s acceptable to ask your partners an opinion, but if you get to the point that your unsure enough about something like as to call an official, you should just play it as it lies.
Here is how a PGA golfer is expected handle a situation like that:
Darren Clarke’s act of sportsmanship at yesterday’s Nissan Irish Open earned him huge respect from players, officials and golf fans around the world. Even so, the big Irishman brushed it off as merely confirming golf’s great integrity and reputation for self-policing.
Leading the field by two strokes (when played was halted on Sunday because heavy had waterlogged the course), Clarke returned to the spot on the nine hole where his ball had landed in deep rough after a wayward drive.
Before abandonning his ball on Sunday – it’s place marked by officials – he had decided he would chip it back on to the fairway when play resumed.
However, when he got there hours later on Monday, he found the area, where he would have to make a replacement dropped into a poor lie, transformed into a reasonable one. Grass had been trampled and the ball was now exposed. If he chose to, he could just about reach the green.
Officials (and even chief referee Andy McFee) agreed that he was within his rights to play it as it lie and take advantage of some benevolent golf fans’ decision to improve the ball’s position in the newly flattened grass.
But Clarke said he could not afford for the game’s integrity to be compromised in such away, so stuck with his previous decision to chip out on to the fairway. The decision effectively cost him a bogey five and ultimately the title he longed to win.
That’s what you clearly don’t understand about golf. Players are expected to police themselves and call penalties on themselves. It ain’t basketball, the officials don’t determine if there are fouls or if a player touched the inbounds line. The player is expected to call that on himself. Officials are there more for rules clarifications, they are not there to make calls as to situations like that. If there is enough of a question that Reed felt he needed an official to verify it, then he should have played it where it was.
It's amusing the twists and turns guys make in an attempt to make their delusions match the facts. And then you ironically refer to people being expected to police themselves.
In golf, you’re expected to call the penalty on yourself or to play the bad lie if there is question. It’s acceptable to ask your partners an opinion, but if you get to the point that your unsure enough about something like as to call an official, you should just play it as it lies.
Here is how a PGA golfer is expected handle a situation like that:
Darren Clarke’s act of sportsmanship at yesterday’s Nissan Irish Open earned him huge respect from players, officials and golf fans around the world. Even so, the big Irishman brushed it off as merely confirming golf’s great integrity and reputation for self-policing.
Leading the field by two strokes (when played was halted on Sunday because heavy had waterlogged the course), Clarke returned to the spot on the nine hole where his ball had landed in deep rough after a wayward drive.
Before abandonning his ball on Sunday – it’s place marked by officials – he had decided he would chip it back on to the fairway when play resumed.
However, when he got there hours later on Monday, he found the area, where he would have to make a replacement dropped into a poor lie, transformed into a reasonable one. Grass had been trampled and the ball was now exposed. If he chose to, he could just about reach the green.
Officials (and even chief referee Andy McFee) agreed that he was within his rights to play it as it lie and take advantage of some benevolent golf fans’ decision to improve the ball’s position in the newly flattened grass.
But Clarke said he could not afford for the game’s integrity to be compromised in such away, so stuck with his previous decision to chip out on to the fairway. The decision effectively cost him a bogey five and ultimately the title he longed to win.
That’s what you clearly don’t understand about golf. Players are expected to police themselves and call penalties on themselves. It ain’t basketball, the officials don’t determine if there are fouls or if a player touched the inbounds line. The player is expected to call that on himself. Officials are there more for rules clarifications, they are not there to make calls as to situations like that. If there is enough of a question that Reed felt he needed an official to verify it, then he should have played it where it was.
It's amusing the twists and turns guys make in an attempt to make their delusions match the facts. And then you ironically refer to people being expected to police themselves.
In golf, you’re expected to call the penalty on yourself or to play the bad lie if there is question. It’s acceptable to ask your partners an opinion, but if you get to the point that your unsure enough about something like as to call an official, you should just play it as it lies.
Here is how a PGA golfer is expected handle a situation like that:
Darren Clarke’s act of sportsmanship at yesterday’s Nissan Irish Open earned him huge respect from players, officials and golf fans around the world. Even so, the big Irishman brushed it off as merely confirming golf’s great integrity and reputation for self-policing.
Leading the field by two strokes (when played was halted on Sunday because heavy had waterlogged the course), Clarke returned to the spot on the nine hole where his ball had landed in deep rough after a wayward drive.
Before abandonning his ball on Sunday – it’s place marked by officials – he had decided he would chip it back on to the fairway when play resumed.
However, when he got there hours later on Monday, he found the area, where he would have to make a replacement dropped into a poor lie, transformed into a reasonable one. Grass had been trampled and the ball was now exposed. If he chose to, he could just about reach the green.
Officials (and even chief referee Andy McFee) agreed that he was within his rights to play it as it lie and take advantage of some benevolent golf fans’ decision to improve the ball’s position in the newly flattened grass.
But Clarke said he could not afford for the game’s integrity to be compromised in such away, so stuck with his previous decision to chip out on to the fairway. The decision effectively cost him a bogey five and ultimately the title he longed to win.
And exactly which steps did Reed take, exactly? Which of those do you have a problem with? Which of those did the officials have a problem with?
You are whining like a bitch. Because you're a bitch. Who likely never won anything that required skill ever.
Ok.
What should he have done? Walked up and looked at his ball. Made the determination himself if it was plugged or not. If he had a slight question, ask his playing partners. If they thought it might be but couldn’t tell, maybe call an official in to look BEFORE the ball was moved.
He didn’t need the official to make that call. He could have made it himself. But he moved the ball, then basically asked the official back up his decision. If the official had disagreed, Reed had already committed a penalty by palming the ball when he picked it up. That put the official in the position of calling a penalty on a guy who was leading the tournament.
I know who Reed is, haven't watched golf in a long time, but he obviously didn't break any rules on that hole. Wet condition rules were in play and he used them.
That’s what you clearly don’t understand about golf. Players are expected to police themselves and call penalties on themselves. It ain’t basketball, the officials don’t determine if there are fouls or if a player touched the inbounds line. The player is expected to call that on himself. Officials are there more for rules clarifications, they are not there to make calls as to situations like that. If there is enough of a question that Reed felt he needed an official to verify it, then he should have played it where it was.
It's amusing the twists and turns guys make in an attempt to make their delusions match the facts. And then you ironically refer to people being expected to police themselves.
In golf, you’re expected to call the penalty on yourself or to play the bad lie if there is question. It’s acceptable to ask your partners an opinion, but if you get to the point that your unsure enough about something like as to call an official, you should just play it as it lies.
Here is how a PGA golfer is expected handle a situation like that:
Darren Clarke’s act of sportsmanship at yesterday’s Nissan Irish Open earned him huge respect from players, officials and golf fans around the world. Even so, the big Irishman brushed it off as merely confirming golf’s great integrity and reputation for self-policing.
Leading the field by two strokes (when played was halted on Sunday because heavy had waterlogged the course), Clarke returned to the spot on the nine hole where his ball had landed in deep rough after a wayward drive.
Before abandonning his ball on Sunday – it’s place marked by officials – he had decided he would chip it back on to the fairway when play resumed.
However, when he got there hours later on Monday, he found the area, where he would have to make a replacement dropped into a poor lie, transformed into a reasonable one. Grass had been trampled and the ball was now exposed. If he chose to, he could just about reach the green.
Officials (and even chief referee Andy McFee) agreed that he was within his rights to play it as it lie and take advantage of some benevolent golf fans’ decision to improve the ball’s position in the newly flattened grass.
But Clarke said he could not afford for the game’s integrity to be compromised in such away, so stuck with his previous decision to chip out on to the fairway. The decision effectively cost him a bogey five and ultimately the title he longed to win.
And exactly which steps did Reed take, exactly? Which of those do you have a problem with? Which of those did the officials have a problem with?
You are whining like a bitch. Because you're a bitch. Who likely never won anything that required skill ever.
Ok.
What should he have done? Walked up and looked at his ball. Made the determination himself if it was plugged or not. If he had a slight question, ask his playing partners. If they thought it might be but couldn’t tell, maybe call an official in to look BEFORE the ball was moved.
He didn’t need the official to make that call. He could have made it himself. But he moved the ball, then basically asked the official back up his decision. If the official had disagreed, Reed had already committed a penalty by palming the ball when he picked it up. That put the official in the position of calling a penalty on a guy who was leading the tournament.
So he did consult an official. He just didn't do what YOU thought he should have done, sort of. Because he DID do what you claim he should have done. He looked at the ball, made the call that it was plugged, and gave himself a club-length drop. Just as you say he should have, as golf is a game of honor, and every player is personally responsible for following the rules. And then he brought the official over and explained what he did. The official concurred.
From what you've typed, Reed was wrong because he exists, at least in your mind.
Fuucking funny that you imagine you are the arbiter of ethics for pro golf. How long have you had your pro card? How many years have you officiated? How many Majors have you officiated?
Would Reed blowing you a kiss have changed your opinion?
Actually, Reed never said that the ball was plugged. Search away.
Oh, and I’m pretty sure we found another one of Justine Reed’s alters.
Did he have to state it for it to be true? He acted on a plugged ball. According to your own words, who did he have to answer to but himself? You keep calling his ethics into question, but you have ground to stand on, just arbitrary judgements about what he should have done. Just another whining basement-dweller who never did anything.
I know who Reed is, haven't watched golf in a long time, but he obviously didn't break any rules on that hole. Wet condition rules were in play and he used them.
Kent
Not true. Lift, clean and replace was not in force for the tournament. Reed pushed the boundaries on a 2019 rules change.
You should NEVER lift your ball without notifying your fellow competitor, and then a rules official in a tournament. He lifted the ball before notification of a rules official. And he messed around with the "ball mark" using his fingers.
And, yes, Rory should have notified a rules official as well after he notified his fellow competitor prior to moving his ball.
Ball in hand AT ANY TIME is very serious in a money tournament.
I agree with your assessment. No one knows if Reed cheated or didn't cheat besides him. Picking the ball up and playing with the grass isn't something that a golfer normally does.
Actually, Reed never said that the ball was plugged. Search away.
Oh, and I’m pretty sure we found another one of Justine Reed’s alters.
Did he have to state it for it to be true? He acted on a plugged ball. According to your own words, who did he have to answer to but himself? You keep calling his ethics into question, but you have ground to stand on, just arbitrary judgements about what he should have done. Just another whining basement-dweller who never did anything.
Yes, Justine, that’s the point. In golf he has to say it for it to be true. It’s HIS decision and HIS call. And he is answerable to at least every other player in that field.
I know who Reed is, haven't watched golf in a long time, but he obviously didn't break any rules on that hole. Wet condition rules were in play and he used them.
Kent
Not true. Lift, clean and replace was not in force for the tournament. Reed pushed the boundaries on a 2019 rules change.
You should NEVER lift your ball without notifying your fellow competitor, and then a rules official in a tournament. He lifted the ball before notification of a rules official. And he messed around with the "ball mark" using his fingers.
And, yes, Rory should have notified a rules official as well after he notified his fellow competitor prior to moving his ball.
Ball in hand AT ANY TIME is very serious in a money tournament.
I agree with your assessment. No one knows if Reed cheated or didn't cheat besides him. Picking the ball up and playing with the grass isn't something that a golfer normally does.
Well WTM45 removed his post... only reason I see it is you quoted it. I never said clean lift replace was in force, but it also was clearly written that because of rain thursday a plugged ball could be lift cleaned replaced, so a wet condition rule... Rory did it also on the 18th no problem.
Or dropped instead of replaced may be better stated.
I deleted my post, as I am not in a position to speak for any tournament committee. What local rules the playing professionals were playing under I have not been officially made aware, and I have no business speaking of those rules without such knowledge.
I can only speak my simple opinion of the existing applicable rule, according to the rules of golf. I was in the process of editing my previous post.
Actually, Reed never said that the ball was plugged. Search away.
Oh, and I’m pretty sure we found another one of Justine Reed’s alters.
Did he have to state it for it to be true? He acted on a plugged ball. According to your own words, who did he have to answer to but himself? You keep calling his ethics into question, but you have ground to stand on, just arbitrary judgements about what he should have done. Just another whining basement-dweller who never did anything.
Yes, Justine, that’s the point. In golf he has to say it for it to be true. It’s HIS decision and HIS call. And he is answerable to at least every other player in that field.
But keep on arguing, Justine.
Nothing to argue, moron. I have no dog in this fight. I have never heard of Reed before this thread. It's hilarious to me that you care. You don't know the guy, and he is playing a game. And he won whether you think he should have or not. It's hilarious to me that you make up these fantasies in your head where your opinion about things matters even a little in the course of real world events.
Actually, Reed never said that the ball was plugged. Search away.
Oh, and I’m pretty sure we found another one of Justine Reed’s alters.
Did he have to state it for it to be true? He acted on a plugged ball. According to your own words, who did he have to answer to but himself? You keep calling his ethics into question, but you have ground to stand on, just arbitrary judgements about what he should have done. Just another whining basement-dweller who never did anything.
Yes, Justine, that’s the point. In golf he has to say it for it to be true. It’s HIS decision and HIS call. And he is answerable to at least every other player in that field.
But keep on arguing, Justine.
Nothing to argue, moron. I have no dog in this fight. I have never heard of Reed before this thread. It's hilarious to me that you care. You don't know the guy, and he is playing a game. And he won whether you think he should have or not. It's hilarious to me that you make up these fantasies in your head where your opinion about things matters even a little in the course of real world events.
I deleted my post, as I am not in a position to speak for any tournament committee. What local rules the playing professionals were playing under I have not been officially made aware, and I have no business speaking of those rules without such knowledge.
I can only speak my simple opinion of the existing applicable rule, according to the rules of golf. I was in the process of editing my previous post.
I understand, it was stated that they were under a plugged ball rule because of previous wet conditions... lift clean and drop.
There's rules for different conditions, that rule was in place and Reed used it same as Rory.
I'm not a Reed fan but the rule that day didn't require notifying anyone. Again Rory didn't notify, used the rule and kept playing. Calling Reed a liar or rule breaker just cause I don't like him is wrong.
Pay attention though. Not once has Reed said that it was plugged or embedded. I personally would have much problem if he had done what Rory did, but he didn’t. That, and the fact we know it wasn’t plugged because it bounced.
Pay attention though. Not once has Reed said that it was plugged or embedded. I personally would have much problem if he had done what Rory did, but he didn’t. That, and the fact we know it wasn’t plugged because it bounced.
I should do the Christian thing, and get you a mirror. But I am not a Christian, and from my experience, you are doing the typical Christian thing, because you have decided a thing is wrong, but haven't come up with the Divine principle that would make it so. You just want to persecute someone who you dislike because they are better than you, and you know it.
Pay attention though. Not once has Reed said that it was plugged or embedded. I personally would have much problem if he had done what Rory did, but he didn’t. That, and the fact we know it wasn’t plugged because it bounced.
I understand, it was stated that they were under a plugged ball rule because of previous wet conditions... lift clean and drop.
There's rules for different conditions, that rule was in place and Reed used it same as Rory.
I'm not a Reed fan but the rule that day didn't require notifying anyone. Again Rory didn't notify, used the rule and kept playing. Calling Reed a liar or rule breaker just cause I don't like him is wrong.
Kent
As far as I know, and I would have to be informed by a tournament official otherwise, there was not a local rule in effect Saturday. I do not know for a fact ANY allowance was being given to competitors for conditions other than the Rules of Golf.
The rule that applies is found under the general Rules of Golf. Most likely 16.4 or 16.3 as amended in 2019.
I do hope you are not trying to say I am calling someone a "liar" or a "rule breaker."
I will be clear here. ANYTIME a ball is picked up "through the green" or in a "general area" while competing in a tournament it is an important move which is subject to the rules of golf and local rules of the tournament.
Pay attention though. Not once has Reed said that it was plugged or embedded. I personally would have much problem if he had done what Rory did, but he didn’t. That, and the fact we know it wasn’t plugged because it bounced.
I should do the Christian thing, and get you a mirror. But I am not a Christian, and from my experience, you are doing the typical Christian thing, because you have decided a thing is wrong, but haven't come up with the Divine principle that would make it so. You just want to persecute someone who you dislike because they are better than you, and you know it.
I’m open to the point that Rory lied or that he was mistaken. However, unlike Reed he unequivocally said it was plugged. Plus, Rory gets the benefit of the doubt. Reed doesn’t.
I’m open to the point that Rory lied or that he was mistaken. However, unlike Reed he unequivocally said it was plugged. Plus, Rory gets the benefit of the doubt. Reed doesn’t.
Pay attention though. Not once has Reed said that it was plugged or embedded. I personally would have much problem if he had done what Rory did, but he didn’t. That, and the fact we know it wasn’t plugged because it bounced.
State the rule he broke.
Kent
If it hadn’t been ruled to be embedded, the way he handled the ball probably would have resulted in a penalty for cleaning the ball.
I’m open to the point that Rory lied or that he was mistaken. However, unlike Reed he unequivocally said it was plugged. Plus, Rory gets the benefit of the doubt. Reed doesn’t.
WWJD?
Smack it in the hole from 500 yards with a one iron on the way to a score of 18 for the day.
I understand, it was stated that they were under a plugged ball rule because of previous wet conditions... lift clean and drop.
There's rules for different conditions, that rule was in place and Reed used it same as Rory.
I'm not a Reed fan but the rule that day didn't require notifying anyone. Again Rory didn't notify, used the rule and kept playing. Calling Reed a liar or rule breaker just cause I don't like him is wrong.
Kent
As far as I know, and I would have to be informed by a tournament official otherwise, there was not a local rule in effect Sunday. I do not know for a fact ANY allowance was being given to competitors for conditions other than the Rules of Golf.
The rule that applies is found under the general Rules of Golf. Most likely 16.3 as amended in 2019.
I do hope you are not trying to say I am calling someone a "liar" or a "rule breaker."
I will be clear here. ANYTIME a ball is picked up "through the green" or in a "general area" while competing in a tournament it is an important move which is subject to the rules of golf and local rules of the tournament.
I wasn't arguing with you since you deleted your post but when you say NEVER and obviously the rules on Saturday were understood by the players and officials are different than NEVER... well.
Usually when I write that I as in 'I', I mean I, and not projecting beyond myself.
Pay attention though. Not once has Reed said that it was plugged or embedded. I personally would have much problem if he had done what Rory did, but he didn’t. That, and the fact we know it wasn’t plugged because it bounced.
State the rule he broke.
Kent
If it hadn’t been ruled to be embedded, the way he handled the ball probably would have resulted in a penalty for cleaning the ball.
Probably isn't a rule... nor did you answer the question.
And yet the officials at this tournament accessed the courses condition for that day and implemented whatever rule the players were to play by, understood by the officials and players.
And yet the officials at this tournament accessed the courses condition for that day and implemented whatever rule the players were to play by, understood by the officials and players.
Kent
That could explain why they allowed Rory and Patrick to do what they did without assessing any penalty. I am unaware if it was a local rule that applied in either case outside of the Rules of Golf.
Pay attention though. Not once has Reed said that it was plugged or embedded. I personally would have much problem if he had done what Rory did, but he didn’t. That, and the fact we know it wasn’t plugged because it bounced.
I should do the Christian thing, and get you a mirror. But I am not a Christian, and from my experience, you are doing the typical Christian thing, because you have decided a thing is wrong, but haven't come up with the Divine principle that would make it so. You just want to persecute someone who you dislike because they are better than you, and you know it.
Lots of projection there, Justine.
Tee hee hee, douche bag. Your Jesus liked to call people derogatory names when he was called out for spouting nonsense? Makes sense, I suppose.
I can see you from well over a thousand miles away. That's how obvious your Inner Bitch is.
Actually, Reed never said that the ball was plugged. Search away.
Oh, and I’m pretty sure we found another one of Justine Reed’s alters.
JoeBob, in the recordings, when the official ask him what he wanted, he told the official it was an "embedded ball" and he thought it had "broke ground" and wanted the official to make a decision. The rules do not require him to get an "official decision." If he claims it is embedded he gets a free drop. The problem was he never declared to his playing partners that he was declaring an embedded ball, because he knows it was NOT embedded, since it was physically impossible for the ball to embed itself dropping from a height of 18 inches, on the bounce. He also had 30 seconds or more time to finger puck the hole and create a depression. When the official stuck his finger into the grass, and said he felt the depression in the ground and ruled him a free drop, he was feeling a hole dug by Reed with his fingers. Reed did not want his playing partners to come over and observe his ball buried deep in the rough, but not embedded. When he decided to cheat, knowing he was on camera, he dug the hole by plunging his fingers into the soft ground, then called over the official to give him cover for his antic/cheating. Though he is a talented striker of the ball, the guy has no business being on tour.
Pay attention though. Not once has Reed said that it was plugged or embedded. I personally would have much problem if he had done what Rory did, but he didn’t. That, and the fact we know it wasn’t plugged because it bounced.
I should do the Christian thing, and get you a mirror. But I am not a Christian, and from my experience, you are doing the typical Christian thing, because you have decided a thing is wrong, but haven't come up with the Divine principle that would make it so. You just want to persecute someone who you dislike because they are better than you, and you know it.
Lots of projection there, Justine.
Tee hee hee, douche bag. Your Jesus liked to call people derogatory names when he was called out for spouting nonsense? Makes sense, I suppose.
I can see you from well over a thousand miles away. That's how obvious your Inner Bitch is.
He's not a tight assed pretty boy and probably is a Trump guy.
That's why they hate him.
Phil Mickelson was doing all sorts of crap through his career but everyone loves him.
The tour, players and majority of the media has been up his for Quite a while. He doesn’t fit into the cookie cutter model most of the other players fall. He is a strong player , which pisses them off even more. Any other player would not had constant talk 24 hrs later and A one hour diatribe by Brandall Chamblee. Hell anyone remember the Ton rock moved to help everyone’s darling back in the day?
Ok, looking at the USGA rules, any embedded ball can be moved at any time, one club length, no penalty. You can also mark it with a tee to check it, if not embedded it goes back uncleaned, no penalty. You can pick it up unmarked and drop it as long as it really was embedded, no penalty. If it wasn't embedded then you put it back with a penalty. I saw nothing where you need to inform anyone else or get an opinion.
There are rules for moving from abnormal course conditions, ground under repair, immovable objects, animal holes... with no penalty.
Ok, looking at the USGA rules, any embedded ball can be moved at any time, one club length, no penalty. You can also mark it with a tee to check it, if not embedded it goes back uncleaned, no penalty. You can pick it up unmarked and drop it as long as it really was embedded, no penalty. If it wasn't embedded then you put it back with a penalty. I saw nothing where you need to inform anyone else or get an opinion.
There are rules for moving from abnormal course conditions, ground under repair, immovable objects, animal holes... with no penalty.
Ok, looking at the USGA rules, any embedded ball can be moved at any time, one club length, no penalty. You can also mark it with a tee to check it, if not embedded it goes back uncleaned, no penalty. You can pick it up unmarked and drop it as long as it really was embedded, no penalty. If it wasn't embedded then you put it back with a penalty. I saw nothing where you need to inform anyone else or get an opinion.
There are rules for moving from abnormal course conditions, ground under repair, immovable objects, animal holes... with no penalty.
Ok, looking at the USGA rules, any embedded ball can be moved at any time, one club length, no penalty. You can also mark it with a tee to check it, if not embedded it goes back uncleaned, no penalty. You can pick it up unmarked and drop it as long as it really was embedded, no penalty. If it wasn't embedded then you put it back with a penalty. I saw nothing where you need to inform anyone else or get an opinion.
There are rules for moving from abnormal course conditions, ground under repair, immovable objects, animal holes... with no penalty.
Kent
Exactly. So why did he?
Exactly. It was cover for all his finger pucking the hole in the ground. All the other players always call over a competing playing partner anytime they are going to pick up their ball. Though not required by the rules, if you have a reputation for cheating, (See this video at 2:20 mark) it behooves you to call over another player before you lift your ball. He did not do that. He picked it up, set it aside and went back to finger puck a hole in the ground then called an official over to give him a favorable ruling. Game, set, match.
Ok, looking at the USGA rules, any embedded ball can be moved at any time, one club length, no penalty. You can also mark it with a tee to check it, if not embedded it goes back uncleaned, no penalty. You can pick it up unmarked and drop it as long as it really was embedded, no penalty. If it wasn't embedded then you put it back with a penalty. I saw nothing where you need to inform anyone else or get an opinion.
There are rules for moving from abnormal course conditions, ground under repair, immovable objects, animal holes... with no penalty.
Kent
Exactly. So why did he?
Did what?
Kent
Get an opinion? “I think it maybe was embedded, but I’m going to let you make the call.”
Ok, looking at the USGA rules, any embedded ball can be moved at any time, one club length, no penalty. You can also mark it with a tee to check it, if not embedded it goes back uncleaned, no penalty. You can pick it up unmarked and drop it as long as it really was embedded, no penalty. If it wasn't embedded then you put it back with a penalty. I saw nothing where you need to inform anyone else or get an opinion.
There are rules for moving from abnormal course conditions, ground under repair, immovable objects, animal holes... with no penalty.
Kent
Exactly. So why did he?
Did what?
Kent
Get an opinion? “I think it maybe was embedded, but I’m going to let you make the call.”
Hell if I know why he called the official over, maybe he thought he knew what the rule was, since it changed in 2019, he might have just wanted to make sure as an after thought. Rory was sure and didn't ask anyone's opinion. I doubt these guys sit and study every rule every week.
I deleted my post, as I am not in a position to speak for any tournament committee. What local rules the playing professionals were playing under I have not been officially made aware, and I have no business speaking of those rules without such knowledge.
I can only speak my simple opinion of the existing applicable rule, according to the rules of golf. I was in the process of editing my previous post.
I deleted my post, as I am not in a position to speak for any tournament committee. What local rules the playing professionals were playing under I have not been officially made aware, and I have no business speaking of those rules without such knowledge.
I can only speak my simple opinion of the existing applicable rule, according to the rules of golf. I was in the process of editing my previous post.
if yer gonna be remonving stuff then STHU
I maintain the right to edit or delete anything I post, as long as the board itself allows me to.
Rule 16.3 only applies to embedded balls. It was physically impossible for his ball to be embedded. There is video evidence of that fact. He created a false narrative that he honestly thought his ball was embedded.
LINK "Perhaps a man develops bulletproof confidence in the face of firing squads when he knows others are paid to throw themselves in front of the fusillade. How else to explain the scale of self-assurance that permits a professional golfer to palm his own ball, poke around in the ball mark, declare it was embedded, after it bounced, in 3-inch rough, with only cursory input from playing partners and none from rules officials, on live television, while leading a PGA Tour event.
"The incident on the 10th hole at Torrey Pines during Saturday’s CBS broadcast lacked the clarity of Reed’s brazen bunker misadventure in the Bahamas in 2019. The video is inconclusive: viewers couldn’t see if Reed’s ball was in fact embedded, and the rules official wasn’t presented a fair opportunity to make that determination since Reed had already moved it. Less ambiguous is the growing sentiment that Patrick Reed’s relationship to the rules of golf mirrors that of a courtesan to her clothes—as something to occasionally be cloaked in for respectability, but otherwise an impediment to the conduct of business."
LINK "After his second shot on the par-4 10th hole bounded off to the left side of the hole in the thick rough, Reed walked toward it, bent over and picked it up. He claimed that it was embedded even though video evidence shows that it took a bounce after it first landed and jumped no more than 3 feet back up in the air. For it to be embedded, the ground would have had to been insanely wet.
"Reed said after his round that nobody in his group nor the volunteer standing near the ball saw it bounce so he was checking to see if it had "broken the plane" of the ground.
"After moving it, Reed called a rules official over and had him stick his fingers in the pitch mark. The official, clearly surprised Reed had already moved the ball, confirmed that there was indeed a lip where Reed's ball first came to rest and deemed that Reed was correct to remove the embedded ball. From there, Reed went on to get a drop and got up and down for par.
"Reed (acted as if he) was shocked that the post-round video showed that the ball had bounced and confirmed that it's "almost impossible" for a ball to plug (or embed) if it bounces at all. That begs a lot of questions, not the least of which is what lip he and the rules official were feeling if it's "almost impossible" for the ball to plug when it bounces."
I would bet that, like all the other players, he probably broke some that he was totally unaware of breaking. Just by setting foot on a golf course, a person probably has already broken at least three.
I deleted my post, as I am not in a position to speak for any tournament committee. What local rules the playing professionals were playing under I have not been officially made aware, and I have no business speaking of those rules without such knowledge.
I can only speak my simple opinion of the existing applicable rule, according to the rules of golf. I was in the process of editing my previous post.
if yer gonna be removing stuff that's OK with me
I maintain the right to edit or delete anything I post, as long as the board itself allows me to.
Well it's speculation his ball wasn't embedded, if he wanted to cheat he could put the tee in then while retrieving the ball press it into the ground causing a hole, wouldn't need to press his fingers in later. Embedment is not plugged, just has to sit below ground level in the pitch mark. He could also just put the ball back and play it with no penalty, how much could he improve his lie dropping it in the same rough?
Anyway he saw it as embedded and dropped within the rules, we weren't there to dispute it.
Ya it was just sitting there all T'ed up on grass.. he would have hit it.
Kent
Well, it certainly was after he dropped it in the shorter grass. Where, of course, it miraculously didn’t plug after dropping from about the same height it did on the bounce.
It’s not speculation that a ball that bounced in four inch rough wasn’t embedded. It 100% wasn’t embedded.
Same for Rory.
Slow motion video of Rory's ball (see video) shows it could have bounced up and come to rest in the same hole. Bottom line is Rory did not pick up his ball until he advised his playing partner that he believes his ball is embedded, then he picked it up and confirmed it was. Marked his ball with a tee, declared rule 16.3 and had his caddy clean the ball then he dropped it within a club length of where he marked it. Nobody doubts Rory because he has never been caught, on camera, blatantly cheating, as has Reed. BTW, Reed claims the girl observer said "no it did not bounce," when he ask her "did it bounce?" (see this video at :18 second mark He has repeated that error over and over. The girl observer actually was recorded saying, "No, I did not see it bounce." So of all the people he claims he asked if they saw it bounce, not one person said "No, it did not bounce." They all said they did not see it bounce. He could not conclude, logically, that he had an eye witness who said they were certain it did not bounce.
I would also add about Rory look at where he dropped his ball. He didn’t even take a full club length and it disappeared again right back into the rough. Reed managed to get into shorter grass and gain an advantage after somehow his ball didn’t plug when it was dropped from knee height.
It’s not speculation that a ball that bounced in four inch rough wasn’t embedded. It 100% wasn’t embedded.
Same for Rory.
Slow motion video of Rory's ball shows it could have bounced up and come to rest in the same hole. Bottom line is Rory did not pick up his ball until he advised his playing partner that he believes his ball is embedded, then he picked it up and confirmed it was. Marked his ball with a tee, declared rule 16.3 and had his caddy clean the ball then he dropped it within a club length of where he marked it. Nobody doubts Rory because he has never been caught, on camera, blatantly cheating, as has Reed.
I would also add about Rory look at where he dropped his ball. He didn’t even take a full club length and it disappeared again right back into the rough. Reed managed to get into shorter grass and gain an advantage after somehow his ball didn’t plug when it was dropped from knee height.
I think he was 14 under and won by 5 strokes. No one but Reed knows if his ball was embedded. For all we know his ball could have bounced into a plug created by a previous golfer or the spotter could of accidentally stepped on his ball. Sure looks suspicious and possible but I see zero proof that Reed cheated.
I would bet that, like all the other players, he probably broke some that he was totally unaware of breaking. Just by setting foot on a golf course, a person probably has already broken at least three.
Wrong kind and color of socks?
Tied shoes starting with the left hand shoelace instead of the right hand shoelace?
Sharpening the scorecard pencil with a jackknife instead of the official pencil sharpener?
I would bet that, like all the other players, he probably broke some that he was totally unaware of breaking. Just by setting foot on a golf course, a person probably has already broken at least three.
Wrong kind and color of socks?
Tied shoes starting with the left hand shoelace instead of the right hand shoelace?
Sharpening the scorecard pencil with a jackknife instead of the official pencil sharpener?
I would bet that, like all the other players, he probably broke some that he was totally unaware of breaking. Just by setting foot on a golf course, a person probably has already broken at least three.
Wrong kind and color of socks?
Tied shoes starting with the left hand shoelace instead of the right hand shoelace?
Sharpening the scorecard pencil with a jackknife instead of the official pencil sharpener?
Dropping a ball is much different than a shot coming in even on a one bounce. Reed hit from a bunker, a regular shot has tremendous spin a sand shot creates even more, that second landing would still have been a live ball digging in, if it was spongy at all it would have been embedded, grass wouldn't stop it. Finally watched the video and it hit close to the cart path where's its harder than where it landed.
There's a chit load of physics going on in a golf shot, saying that that ball wasn't embedded 100%... is 100% bullchit.
F'n hackers judging what they can't do or even understand.
Dropping a ball is much different than a shot coming in even on a one bounce. Reed hit from a bunker, a regular shot has tremendous spin a sand shot creates even more, that second landing would still have been a live ball digging in, if it was spongy at all it would have been embedded, grass wouldn't stop it. Finally watched the video and it hit close to the cart path where's its harder than where it landed.
There's a chit load of physics going on in a golf shot, saying that that ball wasn't embedded 100%... is 100% bullchit.
F'n hackers judging what they can't do or even understand.
Dropping a ball is much different than a shot coming in even on a one bounce. Reed hit from a bunker, a regular shot has tremendous spin a sand shot creates even more, that second landing would still have been a live ball digging in, if it was spongy at all it would have been embedded, grass wouldn't stop it. Finally watched the video and it hit close to the cart path where's its harder than where it landed.
There's a chit load of physics going on in a golf shot, saying that that ball wasn't embedded 100%... is 100% bullchit.
F'n hackers judging what they can't do or even understand.
Kent
Hackers judging what they can do or even understand? You mean like Nick Faldo. Or, maybe even good old Patrick Reed himself:
Reed was shocked that the post-round video showed that the ball had bounced and confirmed that it's "almost impossible" for a ball to plug (or embed) if it bounces at all. That begs a lot of questions, not the least of which is what lip he and the rules official were feeling if it's "almost impossible" for the ball to plug when it bounces.
You should probably tell Reed he is hacker and has no understanding of the many ways a ball can embed itself after a soft bounce since he thinks it is “almost impossible”.
I honestly don’t know. Rory’s bounce was low enough it could have fallen back in the same hole. I’ve seen that happen. Reed’s clearly did not. Further, Reed’s behavior was much more suspicious than Rory’s.
Behavior? He marked the ball and took it out to check... by rule... he took the ball gingerly over to the side and put it down to not disturb it... he then checked for a divot and determined there was one. If there wasn't one he could have replaced the ball uncleaned back and played it... by rule... but since he found a divot he called the official over to judge for himself, once he confirmed and where to drop from he told the caddy he could now clean the ball... if the official didn't confirm he could have replaced the ball uncleaned and played no penalty... he took the drop and played on.
Reed actually took it a step farther calling the official than Rory... probably because he knew he'd be under the microscope.
He did everything right and could have replaced the ball with no penalty at any time if the official deemed to so.
I honestly don’t know. Rory’s bounce was low enough it could have fallen back in the same hole. I’ve seen that happen. Reed’s clearly did not. Further, Reed’s behavior was much more suspicious than Rory’s.
Behavior? He marked the ball and took it out to check... by rule... he took the ball gingerly over to the side and put it down to not disturb it... he then checked for a divot and determined there was one. If there wasn't one he could have replaced the ball uncleaned back and played it... by rule... but since he found a divot he called the official over to judge for himself, once he confirmed and where to drop from he told the caddy he could now clean the ball... if the official didn't confirm he could have replaced the ball uncleaned and played no penalty... he took the drop and played on.
Reed actually took it a step farther calling the official than Rory... probably because he knew he'd be under the microscope.
He did everything right and could have replaced the ball with no penalty at any time if the official deemed to so.
Kent
Your facts are not going to extinguish JoeBob’s emotion.
Behavior? He marked the ball and took it out to check... by rule... he took the ball gingerly over to the side and put it down to not disturb it... he then checked for a divot and determined there was one. If there wasn't one he could have replaced the ball uncleaned back and played it... by rule... but since he found a divot he called the official over to judge for himself, once he confirmed and where to drop from he told the caddy he could now clean the ball... if the official didn't confirm he could have replaced the ball uncleaned and played no penalty... he took the drop and played on.
Reed actually took it a step farther calling the official than Rory... probably because he knew he'd be under the microscope.
He did everything right and could have replaced the ball with no penalty at any time if the official deemed to so.
Kent
Is that the long way of saying he fiddle phuqed around trying to create a dent with his fingers before getting the official over to cover for it?
Behavior? He marked the ball and took it out to check... by rule... he took the ball gingerly over to the side and put it down to not disturb it... he then checked for a divot and determined there was one. If there wasn't one he could have replaced the ball uncleaned back and played it... by rule... but since he found a divot he called the official over to judge for himself, once he confirmed and where to drop from he told the caddy he could now clean the ball... if the official didn't confirm he could have replaced the ball uncleaned and played no penalty... he took the drop and played on.
Reed actually took it a step farther calling the official than Rory... probably because he knew he'd be under the microscope.
He did everything right and could have replaced the ball with no penalty at any time if the official deemed to so.
Kent
Is that the long way of saying he fiddle phuqed around trying to create a dent with his fingers before getting the official over to cover for it?
Behavior? He marked the ball and took it out to check... by rule... he took the ball gingerly over to the side and put it down to not disturb it... he then checked for a divot and determined there was one. If there wasn't one he could have replaced the ball uncleaned back and played it... by rule... but since he found a divot he called the official over to judge for himself, once he confirmed and where to drop from he told the caddy he could now clean the ball... if the official didn't confirm he could have replaced the ball uncleaned and played no penalty... he took the drop and played on.
Reed actually took it a step farther calling the official than Rory... probably because he knew he'd be under the microscope.
He did everything right and could have replaced the ball with no penalty at any time if the official deemed to so.
Kent
Is that the long way of saying he fiddle phuqed around trying to create a dent with his fingers before getting the official over to cover for it?
Well he absolutely said to whoever at the green, hey guys I'm going to check the ball, and point to it before doing anything.
Some on here earlier said he didn't do that.
Now it's down to he jabbed his fingers around... when all he would have needed to do was press the ball into the ground, no one could have told with the rough.
But what likely happened was the back spin dug in and the grass caught it dropping it back in the divot.
Well he absolutely said to whoever at the green, hey guys I'm going to check the ball, and point to it before doing anything.
Some on here earlier said he didn't do that.
Now it's down to he jabbed his fingers around... when all he would have needed to do was press the ball into the ground, no one could have told with the rough.
But what likely happened was the back spin dug in and the grass caught it dropping it back in the divot.
Behavior? He marked the ball and took it out to check... by rule... he took the ball gingerly over to the side and put it down to not disturb it... he then checked for a divot and determined there was one. If there wasn't one he could have replaced the ball uncleaned back and played it... by rule... but since he found a divot he called the official over to judge for himself, once he confirmed and where to drop from he told the caddy he could now clean the ball... if the official didn't confirm he could have replaced the ball uncleaned and played no penalty... he took the drop and played on.
Reed actually took it a step farther calling the official than Rory... probably because he knew he'd be under the microscope.
He did everything right and could have replaced the ball with no penalty at any time if the official deemed to so.
Kent
Your facts are not going to extinguish JoeBob’s emotion.
Facts?
In a Hunter's Campfire thread?
Surely you jest. We all know those are frowned upon.
Well, well, well...it seems that McIlroy’s ball was stepped on by a volunteer before he got to it last weekend. So, unlike Reed’s ball, McIlroy’s ball actually was embedded.
Well, well, well...it seems that McIlroy’s ball was stepped on by a volunteer before he got to it last weekend. So, unlike Reed’s ball, McIlroy’s ball actually was embedded.
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