Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
Quite possibly the dumbest crap I have ever read.
It's like some azzhat socialist dreamt it up in 1932.... Prole and bourgeois aren't words of 2021, unless someone is reading 1880's manifestos and trying to appear "educated"....
Gee.......every time I hear these type descriptions, "American bourgeoisie", it always comes from a bitter, misfit, Marxist puke. I guess this is no different.
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
Quite possibly the dumbest crap I have ever read.
It's like some azzhat socialist dreamt it up in 1932.... Prole and bourgeois aren't words of 2021, unless someone is reading 1880's manifestos and trying to appear "educated"....
I guarantee that moron just learned of the word "bourgeois". Probably today. It sounded like a really, really smart thing to say and well... that's how we ended up with this chit stain of a post.
Gee.......every time I hear these type descriptions, "American bourgeoisie", it always comes from a bitter, misfit, Marxist puke. I guess this is no different.
Liberal arts degree and can’t pay the student loan payments on the min wage they’re earning at Starbucks while living with their same sex “parents” And think their diploma makes them somehow superior. LMAO.
I'm not surprised at the hostility in this thread since I brought up "class" -- a touchy subject. But I do think where I'm coming from is mistaken, though I'm willing to correct myself which is why I brought this up.
My brother was in corporate sales, made a couple million and quit to teach in a government school. His wife he met at university works for an investment bank. They're totally middle class, vote Democrat, and admit they're liberals.
Part of my family (prior generation) grew up ranching/farming in the midwest and voted Democrat when it was good for farmers, then worked a career for big defense contractors (voting Reagan/Bush/Republican when it was good for defense). Lived in a suburb with lot of neighbors that were "executive" vice presidents and chief financial officers (successful accountants) or commercial airline pilots. The neighbor kids vacationed at Club Med. Most of them had a few million bucks or more but it was strictly middle class. Now that they're elderly, probably voted for whoever's good for retirees or will give the grandkids free tuition (Bernie).
Other part of my family escaped economic catastrophe in Saigon from Vietnamese communism (they also survived the war), and ethnic persecution because they aren't ethnically Vietnamese. Here in the states they own small businesses and commercial real estate. I've never heard them talk politics. They're mostly busy doing their business and making sure all their kids go through university. None of them own guns but not because of any ideological opposition. They're in California. Whenever they come here, I take them shooting and they enjoy it. Their next generation coming up have gone thorough university into corporate California, a bunch of "finance" and "business" degrees and they're not going to carry.
American Redneck -- I suppose this could be a perjorative but I went to a Aggy university and all my housemates were proud to be red necks which by my interpretation is just an all American boy that enjoys liberty, country-living, pickup trucks, and fun women. Among the social strata, they became working class. They're definitely not middle-class corporate drones. They liked guns.
I used to live in the ghetto, Sal Si Puedes, mostly among Mexican Americans, but there was Vietnamese there too. I'd been to jail many times and was familiar with the criminal class and the streets. If anyone I ever met there was carrying, it wasn't legally.
That's where I'm from.
I do myself carry concealed every day, everywhere and have daily for 5 years now. I also train with the handgun regularly and have attended schools like Gunsite, ITTS, Thunder Ranch, Rogers etc. I realize those schools tend to attract more affluent working-class clientele (small business owners, well-to-do contractors, retired military, etc.), but I'm also familiar with the habits of people in the local churches. I attend a nondenominational Christian church and have friends in several others. A good portion of them carry. Socially, they're mostly working class, smll business owners and retired people.
I'm doubtful that carry is a practice that spans the social strata equally. I'm sure some people will be pissed off that I even suggest there is social strata, and others will be upset that I've suggested a narrowing of the relevance of concealed carry to any kind of minority. Can you convince me that actual practice of concealed carry is really diverse as a rule and not just the exception or ideologically?
The left uses "class" as a manipulating tool. Your post reeks of marxist rhetoric. I'm glad you're not surprised at the vitriol directed at you because it's deserved. I don't care where you're from, your post says all I need to know.
Across the states more and more are allowing permitless carry, sans training or cost. Criminals do not take training or care to abide by rules at all, hence the moniker.
Anyone who thinks police are going to overcheck law abiding citizens when there is such a target rich environment of miscreants, it dreaming, except in those enclaves that lean heavily liberal and offer crime with no arrest and if so, no bail to reenter the fray...
I'm not surprised at the hostility in this thread since I brought up "class" -- a touchy subject. But I do think where I'm coming from is mistaken, though I'm willing to correct myself which is why I brought this up.
My brother was in corporate sales, made a couple million and quit to teach in a government school. His wife he met at university works for an investment bank. They're totally middle class, vote Democrat, and admit they're liberals.
Part of my family (prior generation) grew up ranching/farming in the midwest and voted Democrat when it was good for farmers, then worked a career for big defense contractors (voting Reagan/Bush/Republican when it was good for defense). Lived in a suburb with lot of neighbors that were "executive" vice presidents and chief financial officers (successful accountants) or commercial airline pilots. The neighbor kids vacationed at Club Med. Most of them had a few million bucks or more but it was strictly middle class. Now that they're elderly, probably voted for whoever's good for retirees or will give the grandkids free tuition (Bernie).
Other part of my family escaped economic catastrophe in Saigon from Vietnamese communism (they also survived the war), and ethnic persecution because they aren't ethnically Vietnamese. Here in the states they own small businesses and commercial real estate. I've never heard them talk politics. They're mostly busy doing their business and making sure all their kids go through university. None of them own guns but not because of any ideological opposition. They're in California. Whenever they come here, I take them shooting and they enjoy it. Their next generation coming up have gone thorough university into corporate California, a bunch of "finance" and "business" degrees and they're not going to carry.
American Redneck -- I suppose this could be a perjorative but I went to a Aggy university and all my housemates were proud to be red necks which by my interpretation is just an all American boy that enjoys liberty, country-living, pickup trucks, and fun women. Among the social strata, they became working class. They're definitely not middle-class corporate drones. They liked guns.
I used to live in the ghetto, Sal Si Puedes, mostly among Mexican Americans, but there was Vietnamese there too. I'd been to jail many times and was familiar with the criminal class and the streets. If anyone I ever met there was carrying, it wasn't legally.
That's where I'm from.
I do myself carry concealed every day, everywhere and have daily for 5 years now. I also train with the handgun regularly and have attended schools like Gunsite, ITTS, Thunder Ranch, Rogers etc. I realize those schools tend to attract more affluent working-class clientele (small business owners, well-to-do contractors, retired military, etc.), but I'm also familiar with the habits of people in the local churches. I attend a nondenominational Christian church and have friends in several others. A good portion of them carry. Socially, they're mostly working class, smll business owners and retired people.
I'm doubtful that carry is a practice that spans the social strata equally. I'm sure some people will be pissed off that I even suggest there is social strata, and others will be upset that I've suggested a narrowing of the relevance of concealed carry to any kind of minority. Can you convince me that actual practice of concealed carry is really diverse as a rule and not just the exception or ideologically?
Definitely doesn’t talk like the Americans I know. For example he uses university instead of the university. Seems more of a European phraseology to me than American. I could be off base and if I am I don’t care anyway.
Well, yes. Does that mean class doesn't actually exist?
Originally Posted by Nollij
Your post reeks of marxist rhetoric.
It is their terms because they defined them in our culture, but they didn't create the social stratification itself. The rich and poor, gentry and peasants were with us long before Marx. I could use more archaic terms like "patricians" and "plebians" but those aren't as well defined in the context of our current culture. So should we try to understand our circumstances by ideologically ignoring these differences among people? How does that help?
Originally Posted by Nollij
I'm glad you're not surprised at the vitriol directed at you because it's deserved.
I overlook it. I've never had a liberal, socialist, or communist sentiment in my life and I never wished a Democrat in office. Most people who know me would identify me as a right-wing, conservative Christian. There's nothing I favor about the liberal ideology and I do appreciate that it has a Marxist underpinning which is evidently satanic. That being said, I'm not going to join the vitriol against everyone who holds that ideology. Like I wrote, my own brother, my only brother, considers himself a liberal (though not explicitly a Marxist) and votes Democrat. He also rejects Christ. I hate that, but I can't hate him. That's what happened in Korea and then in Vietnam. I see it happening here.
Pics or it didn’t happen. Hunting pics. Shooting pics. Any pics of you doing something outside the house. I think you’re full of shît and just here to stir the pot. Won’t take long to figure out who owns this sockpuppet
Across the states more and more are allowing permitless carry, sans training or cost. Criminals do not take training or care to abide by rules at all, hence the moniker.
Anyone who thinks police are going to overcheck law abiding citizens when there is such a target rich environment of miscreants, it dreaming, except in those enclaves that lean heavily liberal and offer crime with no arrest and if so, no bail to reenter the fray...
Yes. I've been there many times. Those places are real and the overpolicing is real too. The police (there) are just like another gang, but they are the gang with the most power. Don't take this as a liberal anti-police rant. I'm not characterizing all police. But there are those little hell holes and if I honestly evaluate the way they're policed, it's not in an upright way. The corruption in those places is very corrupting.
If you really came from where you state that you did, then why bother even posting the question(s) that you did? This has turned into a waste of time with a lefty, which was likely its intent to begin with. I'm a sucker for having played along.
If you really came from where you state that you did, then why bother even posting the question(s) that you did? This has turned into a waste of time with a lefty, which was likely its intent to begin with. I'm a sucker for having played along.
I asked if concealed carry is a high-prole thing because I want to know the answer, or more specifically, I want to know how people here think about it. Why the people here? Because I thought they would be interested enough to consider the answer. I want to know the answer because I want to understand the conflict around the issue whether it's also a conflict of classes.
Do you consider me a lefty? Is it just because I brought up the subject of social class at all or is there something else?
If you really came from where you state that you did, then why bother even posting the question(s) that you did? This has turned into a waste of time with a lefty, which was likely its intent to begin with. I'm a sucker for having played along.
I asked if concealed carry is a high-prole thing because I want to know the answer, or more specifically, I want to know how people here think about it. Why the people here? Because I thought they would be interested enough to consider the answer. I want to know the answer because I want to understand the conflict around the issue whether it's also a conflict of classes.
Do you consider me a lefty? Is it just because I brought up the subject of social class at all or is there something else?
Pics or it didn’t happen. Hunting pics. Shooting pics. Any pics of you doing something outside the house. I think you’re full of shît and just here to stir the pot. Won’t take long to figure out who owns this sockpuppet
Pics or it never happened..... 😄😄😄😄😄
Just another garden variety 24 hr sockpuppet. They come in rotations.
If Bin would ban one or two of em and their IP address. It would probably shut down 15 or 20 of em total. All multiscreening from the same couple of dipschit losers.
Handle of "Western Juniper", a specific juniper (Juniperus occidentalis ) , not just "Juniper".
Went to an "Ag school" .........perhaps a "Forestry" student? Range & Grassland Ecology student? Mmmmnn??
Seemingly has a tendency to bring up social subjects, not Ag subjects? Comments that bring up tension and conflict on the forum.
And not surprised by the tendency of many here to disagree with his points and his methods.
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Originally Posted by Nollij I'm glad you're not surprised at the vitriol directed at you because it's deserved.
Says he overlooks it:
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I overlook it.
Yet continues to reply to posts about it.
Interesting stuff, eh folks?
Perhaps one of those Ag students that was more interested in the societal implications of "Ag" (Forestry included due to the handle of a specific type of juniper?) and therefor has knowledge of class structure and terminology?
Then again, maybe just a well rounded individual that happens to like Juniper occidentalis? And enjoys a good online confrontation?
Oh well, seems to me many here overlook class and concentrate on deeds. Which is the way I prefer it. Fortunately, as ORACLE, I now have a pretty good idea who's who around here.
Handle of "Western Juniper", a specific juniper (Juniperus occidentalis ) , not just "Juniper".
Went to an "Ag school" .........perhaps a "Forestry" student? Range & Grassland Ecology student? Mmmmnn??
Seemingly has a tendency to bring up social subjects, not Ag subjects? Comments that bring up tension and conflict on the forum.
And not surprised by the tendency of many here to disagree with his points and his methods.
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Originally Posted by Nollij I'm glad you're not surprised at the vitriol directed at you because it's deserved.
Says he overlooks it:
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I overlook it.
Yet continues to reply to posts about it.
Interesting stuff, eh folks?
Perhaps one of those Ag students that was more interested in the societal implications of "Ag" (Forestry included due to the handle of a specific type of juniper?) and therefor has knowledge of class structure and terminology?
Then again, maybe just a well rounded individual that happens to like Juniper occidentalis? And enjoys a good online confrontation?
Oh well, seems to me many here overlook class and concentrate on deeds. Which is the way I prefer it. Fortunately, as ORACLE, I now have a pretty good idea who's who around here.
Sure, Every red blooded American throws out social classes of proletariat and bourgeoisie in regular weekend conversation; just like I had for two years in higher education in a classroom with liberation theology phoucks.
Hey azzwhole (Juniperus occidentalis), that jargon might be definitions in the sedimentary halls of higher learning, but they aren't mainstream yet and they sure as hell are not how regular folk talk among each other, race and class included. Unless of course one is surrounded by liberals trying to finger phouck each other on how "empirical" they think they are.
I carry big f u c king pistols. Always have... With extra mags.
Nothing like sticking a big F u c king pistol in a mooks face if ya need too. Have done it several times. Unca suga let me.... But I have never cared for M9,s much..... Dont like a exposed barrel design.....
The look is priceless on a dumbazz,s face when they got a big f u c king pistol shoved in their face.
And if you run outta ammo for your big f u c king pistol.... ( slim chance) You can always club a fugga with a big f u c k ing empty pistol.
Tip of the day... Exploit Liberal Socialist Democrats fear and inexperience when and if the time comes...
Oh.... And a pistol is a secondary wpn when and if the time comes....
Pics or it didn’t happen. Hunting pics. Shooting pics. Any pics of you doing something outside the house. I think you’re full of shît and just here to stir the pot. Won’t take long to figure out who owns this sockpuppet
Pics or it never happened..... 😄😄😄😄😄
Just another garden variety 24 hr sockpuppet. They come in rotations.
If Bin would ban one or two of em and their IP address. It would probably shut down 15 or 20 of em total. All multiscreening from the same couple of dipschit losers.
If you really came from where you state that you did, then why bother even posting the question(s) that you did? This has turned into a waste of time with a lefty, which was likely its intent to begin with. I'm a sucker for having played along.
I asked if concealed carry is a high-prole thing because I want to know the answer, or more specifically, I want to know how people here think about it. Why the people here? Because I thought they would be interested enough to consider the answer. I want to know the answer because I want to understand the conflict around the issue whether it's also a conflict of classes.
Do you consider me a lefty? Is it just because I brought up the subject of social class at all or is there something else?
You are the only person, in over 60 years of life, that I have met that ever used the term "high-prole".
If said term is something we as a Nation have to look forward to, then I'm glad I won't likely be around another 60 or so.
And even a small pistol can be used effectively when necessary. Both when full and empty. So can a roll of coins, a bumbershoot, a newsmagazine, thumbs, rocks, branches, etc.
And even a small pistol can be used effectively when necessary. Both when full and empty. So can a roll of coins, a bumbershoot, a newsmagazine, thumbs, rocks, branches, etc.
But, un pistola grande works too.
Pistola grande????
Is that Bantu or Hungarian for Big F u c k ing Pistol ???
The United States is a “Developed” country, ie. wealthy.
Some people might think they’re poor here but that’s mostly on account of they haven’t’ been to an actual poor country.
A reliable, compact handgun can be had in the US for $600 or less, several different ones in fact. Ain’t very many here in any income bracket can’t afford that if they want one. For example, I’ll bet you can easily find $600 flat screen TV’s in houses across the board. If they want it they can buy it.
Every family here has some family members who are inclined to arm themselves and some who ain’t, regardless of income. Just like most families have family members who fit into a number of your arbitrary “class” categories.
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
WTF is this? I can't even make it past the second sentence. You are deranged..
I believe in constitutional carry with ZERO permits or checks for all USA non felons. That is my FIRM stance, and one I actually try to perpetuate and advance, actively..
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
WTF is this? I can't even make it past the second sentence. You are deranged..
It is probably you . But who knows.. Op dissapears ( common modus operandi) Then someone like you shows up...
Similar to your posting style.......
Wait for it.
Wait for it......
Name of double ace you golfed with and what era or era,s he achieved 10 kills but not more than 14........
I believe in constitutional carry with ZERO permits or checks for all USA non felons. That is my FIRM stance, and one I actually try to perpetuate and advance, actively..
I believe in constitutional carry with ZERO permits or checks for all USA non felons. That is my FIRM stance, and one I actually try to perpetuate and advance, actively..
Mofo would go into Toxic shock syndrome if he drank a cup of my coffee in the morning. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The United States is a “Developed” country, ie. wealthy.
Some people might think they’re poor here but that’s mostly on account of they haven’t’ been to an actual poor country.
A reliable, compact handgun can be had in the US for $600 or less, several different ones in fact. Ain’t very many here in any income bracket can’t afford that if they want one. For example, I’ll bet you can easily find $600 flat screen TV’s in houses across the board. If they want it they can buy it.
Every family here has some family members who are inclined to arm themselves and some who ain’t, regardless of income. Just like most families have family members who fit into a number of your arbitrary “class” categories.
You are the only person, in over 60 years of life, that I have met that ever used the term "high-prole".
If said term is something we as a Nation have to look forward to, then I'm glad I won't likely be around another 60 or so.
High-prole................
Sheesh, hold into the hyperbole.
Most people aren't getting over the fact that I used that term. I don't think they have any idea what I actually said about them. They're still having a coniption that I used it.
You are the only person, in over 60 years of life, that I have met that ever used the term "high-prole".
If said term is something we as a Nation have to look forward to, then I'm glad I won't likely be around another 60 or so.
High-prole................
Sheesh, hold into the hyperbole.
Most people aren't getting over the fact that I used that term. I don't think they have any idea what I actually said about them. They're still having a coniption that I used it.
You are the only person, in over 60 years of life, that I have met that ever used the term "high-prole".
If said term is something we as a Nation have to look forward to, then I'm glad I won't likely be around another 60 or so.
High-prole................
Sheesh, hold into the hyperbole.
Most people aren't getting over the fact that I used that term. I don't think they have any idea what I actually said about them. They're still having a coniption that I used it.
Are you a lot brighter than the rest of us here.....or do you just think you are?
You are the only person, in over 60 years of life, that I have met that ever used the term "high-prole".
If said term is something we as a Nation have to look forward to, then I'm glad I won't likely be around another 60 or so.
High-prole................
Sheesh, hold into the hyperbole.
Most people aren't getting over the fact that I used that term. I don't think they have any idea what I actually said about them. They're still having a coniption that I used it.
And even a small pistol can be used effectively when necessary. Both when full and empty. So can a roll of coins, a bumbershoot, a newsmagazine, thumbs, rocks, branches, etc.
But, un pistola grande works too.
Pistola grande????
Is that Bantu or Hungarian for Big F u c k ing Pistol ???
You are the only person, in over 60 years of life, that I have met that ever used the term "high-prole".
If said term is something we as a Nation have to look forward to, then I'm glad I won't likely be around another 60 or so.
High-prole................
Sheesh, hold into the hyperbole.
Most people aren't getting over the fact that I used that term. I don't think they have any idea what I actually said about them. They're still having a coniption that I used it.
How's this for conflicted? Think of your white collar employee in corporate America. They went on from high school to get a college degree in finance, engineering, some kind of science, business etc. so they could presumably make a better salary. If they don't still have student debt, they've probably got a mortgage, car payments, maybe some credit cards, life insurance, and they need health insurance because they've got kids now and they have to be responsible and everything and eventually want to help their kids pay for college too. So they've got a job working for corporate America, the S&P 500, Fortune 100 -- take your pick. Which of these isn't liberal-minded especially when it comes to the 2nd Amendment? Amazon, Apple, IBM, Deloitte, Salesforce, PWC, Bank of America, JP Morgan, AT&T, Facebook, Exxon, Google... If Republican (legislators) are supposed to be pro-Corporate America (as opposed to progressive dems), their affection certainly isn't reciprocated on this issue.
The conflict that the corporate man has stems from his huge investment in appealing to the corporations. His education, career, his family, his home, his healthcare, even where he lives, most all his life is leveraged on pleasing the company or another one just like it. Can he afford to be controversially pro-gun, pro-carry? I don't just mean will they survive career-wise. Do they have any friends that possess this unconventional thinking? What will their family think, the family that directed and supported their ascent through college into this career? The wife's friends? Sure, it's concealed and it doesn't have to be anybody else's business. I wouldn't even suggest that anyone should know. But how many people in this situation are going to that way without some support or guidance from anyone? They never saw their parents do it. They didn't learn it in college. They don't see it visible at the office. Where would they even get the notion, and if they did, what are the chances they'd have the courage to do it?
How's this for conflicted? Think of your white collar employee in corporate America. They went on from high school to get a college degree in finance, engineering, some kind of science, business etc. so they could presumably make a better salary. If they don't still have student debt, they've probably got a mortgage, car payments, maybe some credit cards, life insurance, and they need health insurance because they've got kids now and they have to be responsible and everything and eventually want to help their kids pay for college too. So they've got a job working for corporate America, the S&P 500, Fortune 100 -- take your pick. Which of these isn't liberal-minded especially when it comes to the 2nd Amendment? Amazon, Apple, IBM, Deloitte, Salesforce, PWC, Bank of America, JP Morgan, AT&T, Facebook, Exxon, Google... If Republican (legislators) are supposed to be pro-Corporate America (as opposed to progressive dems), their affection certainly isn't reciprocated on this issue.
The conflict that the corporate man has stems from his huge investment in appealing to the corporations. His education, career, his family, his home, his healthcare, even where he lives, most all his life is leveraged on pleasing the company or another one just like it. Can he afford to be controversially pro-gun, pro-carry? I don't just mean will they survive career-wise. Do they have any friends that possess this unconventional thinking? What will their family think, the family that directed and supported their ascent through college into this career? The wife's friends? Sure, it's concealed and it doesn't have to be anybody else's business. I wouldn't even suggest that anyone should know. But how many people in this situation are going to that way without some support or guidance from anyone? They never saw their parents do it. They didn't learn it in college. They don't see it visible at the office. Where would they even get the notion, and if they did, what are the chances they'd have the courage to do it?
How's this for conflicted? Think of your white collar employee in corporate America. They went on from high school to get a college degree in finance, engineering, some kind of science, business etc. so they could presumably make a better salary. If they don't still have student debt, they've probably got a mortgage, car payments, maybe some credit cards, life insurance, and they need health insurance because they've got kids now and they have to be responsible and everything and eventually want to help their kids pay for college too. So they've got a job working for corporate America, the S&P 500, Fortune 100 -- take your pick. Which of these isn't liberal-minded especially when it comes to the 2nd Amendment? Amazon, Apple, IBM, Deloitte, Salesforce, PWC, Bank of America, JP Morgan, AT&T, Facebook, Exxon, Google... If Republican (legislators) are supposed to be pro-Corporate America (as opposed to progressive dems), their affection certainly isn't reciprocated on this issue.
The conflict that the corporate man has stems from his huge investment in appealing to the corporations. His education, career, his family, his home, his healthcare, even where he lives, most all his life is leveraged on pleasing the company or another one just like it. Can he afford to be controversially pro-gun, pro-carry? I don't just mean will they survive career-wise. Do they have any friends that possess this unconventional thinking? What will their family think, the family that directed and supported their ascent through college into this career? The wife's friends? Sure, it's concealed and it doesn't have to be anybody else's business. I wouldn't even suggest that anyone should know. But how many people in this situation are going to that way without some support or guidance from anyone? They never saw their parents do it. They didn't learn it in college. They don't see it visible at the office. Where would they even get the notion, and if they did, what are the chances they'd have the courage to do it?
Are you conflicted, working in Corporate America?
Why the interest?
Are you going to run for office to fix it?
"His education, career, his family, his home, his healthcare, even where he lives, most all his life is leveraged on pleasing the company or another one just like it." FFS, if someone is that "leveraged" they really aren't freedom loving and haven't done what was needed to do all their lives.
"Can he afford to be controversially pro-gun, pro-carry?"............... Why be controversial about it? Just do it if it's within the realm of possibility where they live and work.
" Do they have any friends that possess this unconventional thinking?".................Jeebus, join a gun club or something. And "friends" are sometimes worth as far as one can throw them, underhanded, with one arm.
"What will their family think, the family that directed and supported their ascent through college into this career? The wife's friends?"............ When I reached the age of maturity, probably well before that, I quit worrying about what my family would think. I'm sure they wondered why I wandered away from where I grew up, the type of career I picked, the woman I married, the fact we don't have kids, the places we picked to live and work. I/we didn't worry too much about it, I/we did what needed done.
"Where would they even get the notion, and if they did, what are the chances they'd have the courage to do it?"..........Where did the millions of new gun owners get the notion? And from the reports I've seen, it wasn't just "high-prole" folks (whatever the fugg those are) that were in the class of new firearms owners. Rich, poor, black, white, Asian, etc etc etc were lining up buying whatever was available. Pics in the news or lines going around the block at local gun stores. They "got the notion" somewhere.
You worry about this too much Comrade.
Or, you've too much time on your hands and a snootfull.
"Where would they even get the notion, and if they did, what are the chances they'd have the courage to do it?"..........Where did the millions of new gun owners get the notion? And from the reports I've seen, it wasn't just "high-prole" folks (whatever the fugg those are) that were in the class of new firearms owners. Rich, poor, black, white, Asian, etc etc etc were lining up buying whatever was available. Pics in the news or lines going around the block at local gun stores. They "got the notion" somewhere.
You worry about this too much Comrade.
Or, you've too much time on your hands and a snootfull.
Difference between buyers and those that carry. Someone who buys a gun is just a consumer of a product. Same thing with buying a permit (I don't know of any that are free). Someone who regularly carries a handgun concealed is doing more than just purchasing something. It involves a great deal more commitment to the idea. How many of those new buyers even bought a holster? I'm not knocking them. I'm glad more people got the notion to be gun owners. I'm not convinced they will contribute to the normalization of carry for a greater portion of the population.
"Where would they even get the notion, and if they did, what are the chances they'd have the courage to do it?"..........Where did the millions of new gun owners get the notion? And from the reports I've seen, it wasn't just "high-prole" folks (whatever the fugg those are) that were in the class of new firearms owners. Rich, poor, black, white, Asian, etc etc etc were lining up buying whatever was available. Pics in the news or lines going around the block at local gun stores. They "got the notion" somewhere.
You worry about this too much Comrade.
Or, you've too much time on your hands and a snootfull.
Difference between buyers and those that carry. Someone who buys a gun is just a consumer of a product. Same thing with buying a permit (I don't know of any that are free). Someone who regularly carries a handgun concealed is doing more than just purchasing something. It involves a great deal more commitment to the idea. How many of those new buyers even bought a holster? I'm not knocking them. I'm glad more people got the notion to be gun owners. I'm not convinced they will contribute to the normalization of carry for a greater portion of the population.
New rules here in this "liberal" state required I take a refresher course for my Unconstitutional but required permit to carry in order to renew it. Of the 20 or so folks there, I'd say nearly half had to stay for the second half of the training (next 4 hrs) as they had never had a permit. The instructor told me the 3 instructors in their company were booked many weeks in advance, all over NorCal due to the new gunowners.
I would think that in States that are not so strict, many new owners either applied for permits or in some cases just carry Constitutionally. Unfortunately, many probably got permits, carried a little, then decided to only carry when they think they "need to".
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
Dag-nabbit!
Its 1:09 AM here and I've gotta get up early.
Now add in Maslow's heirarchy of needs, Maybe a little Charles Murray, a cursory reading of "The Storm before the Calm" and we be sportin', but then again Opinions are like noses!
The generalizations notwithstanding, interesting post!
BTW, Sacred Cows make the best hamburger
May not apply on all levels, but as Kris K sings.......
Here's hoping you got thick skin and hang around for a bit!
See them tumbling down Pledging their love to the ground Lonely but free I'll be found Drifting along with the tumblin' tumbleweeds...
Cream of Tartar tablets to the rescue, Growing up my dad stuffed me so full of that stuff that 60 years later ticks don't like the way I taste!
If you’re up against a bruiser and you’re getting knocked about — Grin. If you’re feeling pretty groggy, and you’re licked beyond a doubt — Grin. Don’t let him see you’re funking, let him know with every clout, Though your face is battered to a pulp, your blooming heart is stout; Just stand upon your pins until the beggar knocks you out — And grin. This life’s a bally battle, and the same advice holds true Of grin. If you’re up against it badly, then it’s only one on you, So grin. If the future’s black as thunder, don’t let people see you’re blue; Just cultivate a cast-iron smile of joy the whole day through; If they call you “Little Sunshine”, wish that THEY’D no troubles, too — You may — grin. Rise up in the morning with the will that, smooth or rough, You’ll grin. Sink to sleep at midnight, and although you’re feeling tough, Yet grin. There’s nothing gained by whining, and you’re not that kind of stuff; You’re a fighter from away back, and you WON’T take a rebuff; Your trouble is that you don’t know when you have had enough — Don’t give in. If Fate should down you, just get up and take another cuff; You may bank on it that there is no philosophy like bluff, And grin........ RW Service!
What category does a retired, fixed income, working stiff, living on a 7Acre RANCH!, in the remotest region of California fall into?
I'd like to know so I don't cross social lines here on the 24Hour Campfire.
Committing faux pas is not in my genes, but it's a definite possibility if one goes around uninformed.
In the olden days, I heard it was possible to be banished or some scheidt for daring to cross social lines.
Not only that, it was frowned upon by all classes.
Methinks Western Juniper has attempted to redefine the caste system.
Brother Geno,
As you apply pointed out, these categories "they" try to put us in leave a bunch of us out. Luckily. But that is the essence of America... no? I think W juniper is trying to make a larger point. The point being, they are succeeding in corralling most into categories and using that to control the people. "They" hate independent thought and actions... they hate free people exercising freedom and firearms represent freedom, and also make it harder for them to take that freedom from us. This forum is comprised of many of what I would call "glorious bastards" and that is a good thing...... So your choices in life put you in a category of your own! And Beav is at Safeway looking for Bourgeois sauce..... he too is a glorious bastard.... see how that works? Anyhow me thinks you fella's are being a little hard on W juniper.... or maybe not, time will tell...
Brother, I’m still at Safeway holding a sack of clams, trying to decide if I need whole milk or heavy whipping cream for the Bourgeois sauce base ?
🦫
PS
W-J does type a nice post...As you said, time should show his intentions.
Good grief Brother Beav.....I figured you to be the type that would be out at zero dark thirty on the mud flats hunting clams..... you must not be in the "Bourgeois" class ....
Poster shows such horrid offensiveness and naivety as rich people don't own mere Webley's, we own Webley-Fosbury's. How gauche of this cretin for suggesting we have ownership of such plebian armament.
I believe in constitutional carry with ZERO permits or checks for all USA non felons. That is my FIRM stance, and one I actually try to perpetuate and advance, actively..
Duck'O'death found the Bourgeois sauce at the Safeway.....
I believe in constitutional carry with ZERO permits or checks for all USA non felons. That is my FIRM stance, and one I actually try to perpetuate and advance, actively..
Duck'O'death found the Bourgeois sauce at the Safeway.....
I believe in constitutional carry with ZERO permits or checks for all USA non felons. That is my FIRM stance, and one I actually try to perpetuate and advance, actively..
Duck'O'death found the Bourgeois sauce at the Safeway.....
LOL
It was next to the dessert coffee..... now Duck is one of us.
What category does a retired, fixed income, working stiff, living on a 7Acre RANCH!, in the remotest region of California fall into?
I'd like to know so I don't cross social lines here on the 24Hour Campfire.
Committing faux pas is not in my genes, but it's a definite possibility if one goes around uninformed.
In the olden days, I heard it was possible to be banished or some scheidt for daring to cross social lines.
Not only that, it was frowned upon by all classes.
Methinks Western Juniper has attempted to redefine the caste system.
Brother Geno,
As you apply pointed out, these categories "they" try to put us in leave a bunch of us out. Luckily. But that is the essence of America... no? I think W juniper is trying to make a larger point. The point being, they are succeeding in corralling most into categories and using that to control the people. "They" hate independent thought and actions... they hate free people exercising freedom and firearms represent freedom, and also make it harder for them to take that freedom from us. This forum is comprised of many of what I would call "glorious bastards" and that is a good thing...... So your choices in life put you in a category of your own! And Beav is at Safeway looking for Bourgeois sauce..... he too is a glorious bastard.... see how that works?
Anyhow me thinks you fella's are being a little hard on W juniper.... or maybe not, time will tell...
It's been a while, but IIRC Charles Murray in "Coming Apart" postulates that if you know anybody that knows anybody who owns a pick-up, you're not a member of the elite!
PS: Overview
Charles Murray describes what he sees as the economic divide and moral bifurcation of white Americans that has occurred since 1960. Murray describes diverging trends between poor and upper middle class white Americans in the half century after the death of John F. Kennedy. He focuses on white Americans to argue that economic decline in that period was not experienced solely by minorities, whom he brings into his argument in the last few chapters of the book. He argues that class strain has cleaved white Americans into two distinct, highly segregated strata: "an upper class, defined by educational attainment, and a new lower class, characterized by the lack of it. Murray also posits that the new [white] 'lower class' is less industrious, less likely to marry and raise children in a two-parent household, and more politically and socially disengaged."[2]
Additionally, Murray writes of several differences he sees forming between and causing two emerging classes—the New Upper Class and the New Lower class—among which are differences in or lack thereof in regards to religiosity, work ethic, industriousness, family, etc. Murray goes on to provide evidence that religiosity, work ethic, industriousness, family, etc., have either remained strong or have weakened minimally in the New Upper Class, whereas these same attributes have either weakened substantially or have become almost nonexistent in the New Lower Class. Much of his argument is centered on a notion of self-selective sorting that began in the 1960s and 1970s, when he argues that cognitive ability became the essential predictor of professional and financial success, and people overwhelmingly began marrying others in the same cognitive stratum and living in areas surrounded largely by others in that same stratum, leading to not only an exacerbation of existing economic divides, but an unprecedented socio-cultural divide that had not existed before in America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_Apart_(book)
another tome that I devoured recently.........
The Storm before the Calm
The master geopolitical forecaster and New York Times bestselling author of The Next 100 Years focuses on the United States, predicting how the 2020s will bring dramatic upheaval and reshaping of American government, foreign policy, economics, and culture.
In his riveting new book, noted forecaster and bestselling author George Friedman turns to the future of the United States. Examining the clear cycles through which the United States has developed, upheaved, matured, and solidified, Friedman breaks down the coming years and decades in thrilling detail. American history must be viewed in cycles—particularly, an eighty-year “institutional cycle” that has defined us (there are three such examples—the Revolutionary War/founding, the Civil War, and World War II), and a fifty-year “socio-economic cycle” that has seen the formation of the industrial classes, baby boomers, and the middle classes. These two major cycles are both converging on the late 2020s—a time in which many of these foundations will change. The United States will have to endure upheaval and possible conflict, but also, ultimately, increased strength, stability, and power in the world. Friedman’s analysis is detailed and fascinating, and covers issues such as the size and scope of the federal government, the future of marriage and the social contract, shifts in corporate structures, and new cultural trends that will react to longer life expectancies. This new book is both provocative and entertaining.
I believe in constitutional carry with ZERO permits or checks for all USA non felons. That is my FIRM stance, and one I actually try to perpetuate and advance, actively..
Duck'O'death found the Bourgeois sauce at the Safeway.....
Well, Shît !
What isle ?
I’m not proud at this moment.
Digging clams on mud flats ain’t Beave’s thang...Razor clams, in the surf. I’m there.
Poster shows such horrid offensiveness and naivety as rich people don't own mere Webley's, we own Webley-Fosbury's. How gauche of this cretin for suggesting we have ownership of such plebian armament.
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
The thug class that your political party of choice has created over the last 70 years,You know (LBJ Great Society) doesn't concern themselves with legal gunshots, form 4473 and concealed handgun classes and permits. GFY.
Difference between buyers and those that carry. Someone who buys a gun is just a consumer of a product. Same thing with buying a permit (I don't know of any that are free). Someone who regularly carries a handgun concealed is doing more than just purchasing something. It involves a great deal more commitment to the idea. How many of those new buyers even bought a holster? I'm not knocking them. I'm glad more people got the notion to be gun owners. I'm not convinced they will contribute to the normalization of carry for a greater portion of the population.
Apparently you are unaware of vast portions of America where no permit is required to carry a gun, open or concealed.
Most traditional or conservative Americans have little use for socio-economic class distinctions. The belief is prevalent that your ancestry has little or nothing to do with who or what one is today. Hell, we recently had a poor black bastard grow up to be elected President.
From prior comments on this thread it seems many are as unaware of the meaning of your socio-economic terms as I am. So I will let you define my station in life.
At the culmination of my 45 year career, I now earn $25/hour. $52,000 per year for 2080 hours/year. Before taxes.
In 1985, I purchased 20 acres of ground for $8000. In 1994, I purchased a 1200 sq ft 3 bed, 2 bath home to put on that ground for $32,000.
Today the contents of the gunsafe is worth more than the cost of the home and land.
No one in my family had handguns. They had hunting rifles. It is a termination offense if caught on employers property with a weapon.
Yet at 50 years of age, I purchased my first handgun. Fifteen years later I own four 41 magnum revolvers, one of which is Titanium for carry.
I presently own four 327 revolvers, one of which is well suited for carrying in a belt holster, and another which is suited to pocket carry.
And a bolt action handgun, a 22lr revolver, and a new (to me) 1911 with three barrels for three different cartridges.
And all of my kids own and carry handguns today.
So you tell me where the fugg I fit on your spectrum of socio-economic classes.
And Travis, those are some beautiful revolvers. Mine are much more utilitarian.
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
The thug class that your political party of choice has created over the last 70 years,You know (LBJ Great Society) doesn't concern themselves with legal gunshots, form 4473 and concealed handgun classes and permits. GFY.
There are plenty of people out there that don't see the need for govt administrivia. They look to their Constitution. Euro phagg has obviously never been out of his schithole and into flyover country.
Difference between buyers and those that carry. Someone who buys a gun is just a consumer of a product. Same thing with buying a permit (I don't know of any that are free). Someone who regularly carries a handgun concealed is doing more than just purchasing something. It involves a great deal more commitment to the idea. How many of those new buyers even bought a holster? I'm not knocking them. I'm glad more people got the notion to be gun owners. I'm not convinced they will contribute to the normalization of carry for a greater portion of the population.
Apparently you are unaware of vast portions of America where no permit is required to carry a gun, open or concealed.
Most traditional or conservative Americans have little use for socio-economic class distinctions. The belief is prevalent that your ancestry has little or nothing to do with who or what one is today. Hell, we recently had a poor black bastard grow up to be elected President.
From prior comments on this thread it seems many are as unaware of the meaning of your socio-economic terms as I am. So I will let you define my station in life.
At the culmination of my 45 year career, I now earn $25/hour. $52,000 per year for 2080 hours/year. Before taxes.
In 1985, I purchased 20 acres of ground for $8000. In 1994, I purchased a 1200 sq ft 3 bed, 2 bath home to put on that ground for $32,000.
Today the contents of the gunsafe is worth more than the cost of the home and land.
No one in my family had handguns. They had hunting rifles. It is a termination offense if caught on employers property with a weapon.
Yet at 50 years of age, I purchased my first handgun. Fifteen years later I own four 41 magnum revolvers, one of which is Titanium for carry.
I presently own four 327 revolvers, one of which is well suited for carrying in a belt holster, and another which is suited to pocket carry.
And a bolt action handgun, a 22lr revolver, and a new (to me) 1911 with three barrels for three different cartridges.
And all of my kids own and carry handguns today.
So you tell me where the fugg I fit on your spectrum of socio-economic classes.
And Travis, those are some beautiful revolvers. Mine are much more utilitarian.
Absolute horrors of horrors... As a 16 yr old I carried a .357 Blackhawk as a dispatch pistol deer hunting. My 1st big f u c king handgun. Never did use it on a deer. Fall of 82 before I joined the Army in 83 I coup de grace ( sp?)a good sized 275 pd black bear with it after I put 3 ot6 rounds thru it's chest. 2 in the noggin. Didn't know how a bear was scored, didnt care. I was pumped the fugg up on adrenaline at the time. It was awesome using that revolver to gak that bear though!!! Deer and bear season overlapped back then. Dont know if they still do. I know .. I know... Over kill right... Thing was down for the count anyways....
18 1/4th inch skull... With 2 157gr rattles in it . At my moms house to this day.
Just to stir the schidt, does everyone here carry all the time? I have heard a lot of rationalizations for not carrying in the past, hopefully that has changed. I doubt it.
The OP remains a moron, who really likes to type. Bourgeois, proletariat, satanist all in one post defines a phony of camper like dimension.
A couple of you have asked about what "class" you're in. If you haven't asked, don't let me presume to tell you.
In America, class has very little to do with heredity or whether you come from a noble family, the way it does in Britian or Europe. It has some but not just because. The cause is incidental. Social class also has less to do with how much money you have. It has a lot more to do with what you do to have the money.
The upper class in America do nothing to get their money. So while one doesn't inherit "nobility" in America, they can inherit money which goes a way to establishing social status not because of the wealth but because of the leisure by which it is attained. Ironically, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk will never be upper class because they did something to attain their wealth, something as vulgar as having an idea for some new thing. They're tasteless nouveau riche, along with Justin Bieber. They're strictly middle class simply with a perverse amount of money.
Middle class people work for their money, but if you're wondering if you're middle or working class, you can find the answer most easily by stating your alma matter. Again, Americans don't have a system of nobility, so they invented this substitute for heraldry. Just having a college degree doesn't equal status. Which university it's from makes all the difference. If that doesn't make it clear enough, you can answer how many suits you own. The suit has been the uniform of the middle class. While it's fallen from fashion, unless you're in your twenties, you'd still have a fair collection of them. You could also consider the number of flights on commercial airlines you typically take in a year. The airlines are overwhelmingly for the middle class. Uppers and lowers wouldn't tolerate the humiliation. Middles do it for their corporate masters. Besides the corporations, middles work as professionals: physicians, lawyers, dentists.
The working class might start to think of themselves as landed gentry once they've got more than an acre. An easy distinction between them and the middle is whether they ever risked injury in their work. How many physicians, finance managers, senior directors of marketing or executive vice presidents with a degree from the University of Iowa ever risked a work-related injury, ever?
Within the prole section, the distinction is drawn based mostly on how much supervision you're under in your work and how much money it produces for you. A builder that starts his own general contracting business is on his way to high prole status with a ski boat in his straight driveway, but he'll still drink beer from a can and his alma matter, if he has one, isn't worthy of reverencing it with a sticker on his truck. A huge tv screen is almost certain to be the centerpiece of his living room.
There are lower classes. Immediately, the blue collar worker under stricter supervision, and proceeding all the way down to destitutes and the institutionalized.
WJ is a sock puppet. That’s why he ignored my request for pics. Just here to stir things up. Hard to hide your identity when it’s out in the open. I’d love to get a clinical assessment on what drives a person to create a sockpuppet.....besides just being a sorry [bleep]ùcker
Methinks Western Juniper has attempted to redefine the caste system.
Brother Geno,
As you apply pointed out, these categories "they" try to put us in leave a bunch of us out. Luckily. But that is the essence of America... no? I think W juniper is trying to make a larger point. The point being, they are succeeding in corralling most into categories and using that to control the people. "They" hate independent thought and actions... they hate free people exercising freedom and firearms represent freedom, and also make it harder for them to take that freedom from us. This forum is comprised of many of what I would call "glorious bastards" and that is a good thing...... So your choices in life put you in a category of your own! And Beav is at Safeway looking for Bourgeois sauce..... he too is a glorious bastard.... see how that works? Anyhow me thinks you fella's are being a little hard on W juniper.... or maybe not, time will tell...
Good,
Leave me the F out. I'm uncategorical anyway. Or some such.
It would seem WJ has read or taken classes in this stuff, because the terminology is rather arcane to those of us in the proletariat (and perhaps the petit bourgeoisie)
A little search for the term "high-prole" brought me to a few sites like these. (Seemingly sociologist related. The OTHER side of the campus from where us real scientists studied. You know, over there with the Liberal Arts folks )
See, even an old fugger like me can learn something new, with stimulus from such a made up term as "high-prole".
The Miessler guy is maybe Western Juniper?
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I spend my time reading 3-6 books a month on security, technology, and society—and thinking about what might be coming next.
I don't seem to fit in with any of the classes he lists, which is part of a classification in itself, because it seems one of the classes likes to deny class.
All I know is, I'm sure glad I studied biological sciences and not sociology.
Keep your eye out for Brother Beav. I worry about him trying to find new sauces. He should stick with the sauces he grew up with. He's in that class you know.
Just to stir the schidt, does everyone here carry all the time? I have heard a lot of rationalizations for not carrying in the past, hopefully that has changed. I doubt it
mike r
I've been shooting all my life.
In high school I drove a '67 El Co. Kept my model 94 and a baseball bat in the gun rack. Parked next to the classrooms. Windows down and doors unlocked.
In the sixties, early 70's I would break down a model 94 and grab my 30 cal Luger, stow em' in a pack and hitch-hike up to our Farm near Cut n' Shoot Tx., stay a few days and catch a ride back home.
Over the next years, I typically had a firearm in reasonable proximity until one day in 1991.
At that time I was a licensed commercial real estate appraiser, and was in Kileen Tx. to perform an appraisal on two Apartment complexes. I went to lunch with the Manger and Maintenance Super at a local cafe that was a block or two down the street. It was called Luby's. I finished my appraisl the next day and headed back to the sububurb of Houston where I lived. On Wednesday, October 16, 1991, George Hennard, drove his pickup truck through the front window of the restaurant(Luby's). He quickly shot and killed 23 people, and wounded 27 others. He had a brief shootout with police, refused their orders to surrender, and fatally shot himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_shooting
The two folk that I had had lunch with on Monday were back there eating lunch when Mr. Hennnard carried out his attack. One was killed the other shot twice, in the face and knee IIRC.
Since that day I have not entered a Stop-N-Rob nor a restaurant, or any place where I cannot make an immediate and unimpeded exit without being strapped.
I have a Texas State issued LTC, and if I can't carry, about 99% of the time I don't go. What has helped is the 30-07 law that requires an business owner to post a State approved notice in regards to carrying a firearm, and only if you refuse to leave when requested have you commited an infraction.
Of course, being a Law Abiding Citizen, I never............
I do shoot weekly, sometimes multiple times.
Fortunately, in 30 years of carrying, I've only had to display a weapon 4 times to diffuse a situation.
Zero'ing a P365XL with Romeo Zero (my current daily carry) @10 yds.
A couple of you have asked about what "class" you're in. If you haven't asked, don't let me presume to tell you.
In America, class has very little to do with heredity or whether you come from a noble family, the way it does in Britian or Europe. It has some but not just because. The cause is incidental. Social class also has less to do with how much money you have. It has a lot more to do with what you do to have the money.
The upper class in America do nothing to get their money. So while one doesn't inherit "nobility" in America, they can inherit money which goes a way to establishing social status not because of the wealth but because of the leisure by which it is attained. Ironically, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk will never be upper class because they did something to attain their wealth, something as vulgar as having an idea for some new thing. They're tasteless nouveau riche, along with Justin Bieber. They're strictly middle class simply with a perverse amount of money.
Middle class people work for their money, but if you're wondering if you're middle or working class, you can find the answer most easily by stating your alma matter. Again, Americans don't have a system of nobility, so they invented this substitute for heraldry. Just having a college degree doesn't equal status. Which university it's from makes all the difference. If that doesn't make it clear enough, you can answer how many suits you own. The suit has been the uniform of the middle class. While it's fallen from fashion, unless you're in your twenties, you'd still have a fair collection of them. You could also consider the number of flights on commercial airlines you typically take in a year. The airlines are overwhelmingly for the middle class. Uppers and lowers wouldn't tolerate the humiliation. Middles do it for their corporate masters. Besides the corporations, middles work as professionals: physicians, lawyers, dentists.
The working class might start to think of themselves as landed gentry once they've got more than an acre. An easy distinction between them and the middle is whether they ever risked injury in their work. How many physicians, finance managers, senior directors of marketing or executive vice presidents with a degree from the University of Iowa ever risked a work-related injury, ever?
Within the prole section, the distinction is drawn based mostly on how much supervision you're under in your work and how much money it produces for you. A builder that starts his own general contracting business is on his way to high prole status with a ski boat in his straight driveway, but he'll still drink beer from a can and his alma matter, if he has one, isn't worthy of reverencing it with a sticker on his truck. A huge tv screen is almost certain to be the centerpiece of his living room.
There are lower classes. Immediately, the blue collar worker under stricter supervision, and proceeding all the way down to destitutes and the institutionalized.
Do you really believe all that? Did you just paraphrase some of what the authors I linked to wrote? Take some classes in "Class Structure" at a university ? (The title of which makes no difference to me) .
Are you worried because you don't fit into the class you would like to be a part of?
Are you worried because of the coming "storm" mentioned in the book GWB linked to?
What class, in your estimation, does a person who grew up performing work in which they risked injury, but they "progressed" past that by obtaining a degree and working, while wearing a suit, for their Corporate Masters, and who now owns and exhibits all the accoutrements of Middle Class belong to? Does it really matter to you? Does it really matter to them? What if they still like to perform work which has some danger inherent in it, like cleaning their own gutters?
That Ag school you mentioned? Upper tier school? High-prole producing school? Again, does it matter to YOU?
Are you fearful of a possible coming economic rearrangement? Do you believe you will drop down a class or two on the economic class scale? Do you live in fear of it?
Do you have a "huge tv screen"?
Do not worry son, as I learned in the early 70's because:
I usually hate arrogance.... but for some reason W juniper has me intrigued. I think he has an interesting point I had never considered.
Perhaps its the buzzwords......
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
I have been surprised by the vitriol and ad hominem attacks in regard to a fellow poster that has expressed views that are not de rigueur!
Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend...Proverbs 27:17, KJV
Buzzwords are not welcome in some circles, that's for sure.
Especially those sociological related ones around here.
And by the way, nice shooting.
As to Luby's, never having experienced same, but having a lifestyle when younger that has led me to "be prepared" I feel the same as you. I hate having to go into the Post Office, because you know, they really don't guarantee my safety there any more than at the local grocery..........or eatery.
Buzzwords are not welcome in some circles, that's for sure.
Especially those sociological related ones around here.
And by the way, nice shooting.
As to Luby's, never having experienced same, but having a lifestyle when younger that has led me to "be prepared" I feel the same as you. I hate having to go into the Post Office, because you know, they really don't guarantee my safety there any more than at the local grocery..........or eatery.
I go to my P.O. Box most every day. Not at the same time, but consciously at varying times. Let's just say that one is in violation if he carries in the USPO as a civilian. I've asked a couple of LEO's, if they saw an old white guy, dressed appropriately other than having hs shirt not tucked in.(BTW, my kids tell me that if you see an old white guy, over 50, with his shirt-tail out, he's carryin' concealed.) and his weapon "printed, in the USPO, what would they do. All have said, they personally would ignore it. I then ask what they think brother local LEO's would do. Each has said, at most they would ask you to leave.
I always carry an assisted opening, or auto lock blade knife that is readily accessible and have as of late started carrying pepper spay as an alternative,( in addition to my weapon) and keep a can of wasp spray under the arm-rest in my vehicle. The kind of wasp spray that shoots a 20' spray, Both the pepper spray and wasp spray are non-leathal and the economics of shooting someone can cause financial embarrassment rather quickly!
I practice situational awareness and take reasonable precautions. When I was younger I could take an azz-whuppin' and bounce right back, but these days.........
ya!
GWB
PS: Full disclosure, I'm not a pistolero, so those 5 shot groups were fired from a rest and were supported, not free-hand.
How's this for conflicted? Think of your white collar employee in corporate America. They went on from high school to get a college degree in finance, engineering, some kind of science, business etc. so they could presumably make a better salary. Did all that with no help from anyone. If they don't still have student debt, they've probably got a mortgage, car payments, maybe some credit cards, life insurance, and they need health insurance because they've got kids now and they have to be responsible and everything and eventually want to help their kids pay for college too. Don't owe a dime to anyone for anything. So they've got a job working for corporate America, the S&P 500, Fortune 100 -- take your pick. Large Design build Company, bigger than most. Which of these isn't liberal-minded especially when it comes to the 2nd Amendment? Amazon, Apple, IBM, Deloitte, Salesforce, PWC, Bank of America, JP Morgan, AT&T, Facebook, Exxon, Google... If Republican (legislators) are supposed to be pro-Corporate America (as opposed to progressive dems), their affection certainly isn't reciprocated on this issue. Could give a lusty crap! If they can do what I can do, have at it!
The conflict that the corporate man has stems from his huge investment in appealing to the corporations. His education, career, his family, his home, his healthcare, even where he lives, most all his life is leveraged on pleasing the company or another one just like it. I make them so much money they put up with me, I even quit once and they hired me back, at the desk of the other company. The Liberal Owner made the call himself! Can he afford to be controversially pro-gun, pro-carry? I am one of the Directors of our State Pro Gun organization, and am out front about it. I don't just mean will they survive career-wise. Do they have any friends that possess this unconventional thinking? What will their family think, the family that directed and supported their ascent through college into this career? Pop was more a gun whore than me, Mother carried every day of her life. Besides, I paid my own way through college. The wife's friends? We don't have any friends that don't realize self protection is an individual thing, unless you are in custody, no governmental agency is required to provide protection. Sure, it's concealed and it doesn't have to be anybody else's business. I wouldn't even suggest that anyone should know. But how many people in this situation are going to that way without some support or guidance from anyone? They never saw their parents do it. They didn't learn it in college. They don't see it visible at the office. Where would they even get the notion, and if they did, what are the chances they'd have the courage to do it? You evidently were raised by puzzies.
Is the growth of actual practice of concealed carry endemic exclusively among high proles, petit-bourgeoisie or the wealthier segment of the working class?
Most often I see it characterized as a thing favored by conservative members of the Republican party and criticized and chastened by liberal members of the Democratic party. Yet it seems equally evident that there are a lot of people, regardless of their political ideology, that do not and will not carry.
* Upper class -- they might own a few Purdeys and if they own a handgun it would be a Webley revolver, but they certainly don't carry it, ever. * Upper-Middle -- the Mark and Patricia McCloskeys, hopeless affectation at best * Middle class (American bourgeoisie) -- Clark Griswold, corporate policy forbids it, they're also too insecure to try anything perceived as unconventional, unwilling to offend anyone or assert themselves at the risk of acceptance, most likely to go along with "gun control" out of fear * High Prole (petit bourgeoisie) -- often richer than the middle class, displayed in their high-end bass boats, $35K turbo SxS, new Harley or KTM motorcycle, and 45 foot 5th wheel with a new high-end turbo diesel duallie; they're also under less supervision at work than the corporate man or the wage slave below them, they may even own the small business, and they carry * Mid Prole -- Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, like the white collar office worker, they're under too much supervision to get away with carry that's against company rules and even if they put it on after work to affect a less supervised high prole, they don't often go anywhere but their own house or Walmart. Even when they travel, it's likely to tourist places like Disney resorts. Most likely to open carry (at Walmart). * Low Prole -- have a good probability of a criminal record, either felony, drugs, or domestic that keeps them prohibited, most likely to carry illegally but most don't because of the greater probability that even if they're lawful, they live in an area that's overpoliced and they're likely to be harrassed
Troll. By the very labels you choose, you insult and demonize. The question cannot be answered until it is asked honestly and without implied bias.
This placing class on people! Then explaining its because of your higher education place! Just another unconfident, young person reaching for justification of their assumptions! Reminds me of 60's, coffee shop talk! Heard enough of that gibberish, in the 60's! Nothing here except a few words, most would never use, unless they were trying to impress their audience! Not impressed! Just be yourself, and stand for what you believe! Actions always speak louder than words!
This placing class on people! Then explaining its because of your higher education place! Just another unconfident, young person reaching for justification of their assumptions! Reminds me of 60's, coffee shop talk! Heard enough of that gibberish, in the 60's! Nothing here except a few words, most would never use, unless they were trying to impress their audience! Not impressed! Just be yourself, and stand for what you believe! Actions always speak louder than words!
You there, neighbor to the North.
Stop making sense.
It's not allowed in these parts.
Hope the smoke's not too bad there, the Bootleg has become EPIC, for sure.
DGAF what "class" you are, or the sockpuppet OP,s higher life form he thinks he is. Probably just another Elkymasarnutts/AKPINHEAD reinvention for a feel good factor about himself on here. He has been scuffed up on here pretty bad lately, so it's time for another sockpuppet approach......
Just to stir the schidt, does everyone here carry all the time? I have heard a lot of rationalizations for not carrying in the past, hopefully that has changed. I doubt it
mike r
I've been shooting all my life.
In high school I drove a '67 El Co. Kept my model 94 and a baseball bat in the gun rack. Parked next to the classrooms. Windows down and doors unlocked.
In the sixties, early 70's I would break down a model 94 and grab my 30 cal Luger, stow em' in a pack and hitch-hike up to our Farm near Cut n' Shoot Tx., stay a few days and catch a ride back home.
Over the next years, I typically had a firearm in reasonable proximity until one day in 1991.
At that time I was a licensed commercial real estate appraiser, and was in Kileen Tx. to perform an appraisal on two Apartment complexes. I went to lunch with the Manger and Maintenance Super at a local cafe that was a block or two down the street. It was called Luby's. I finished my appraisl the next day and headed back to the sububurb of Houston where I lived. On Wednesday, October 16, 1991, George Hennard, drove his pickup truck through the front window of the restaurant(Luby's). He quickly shot and killed 23 people, and wounded 27 others. He had a brief shootout with police, refused their orders to surrender, and fatally shot himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_shooting
The two folk that I had had lunch with on Monday were back there eating lunch when Mr. Hennnard carried out his attack. One was killed the other shot twice, in the face and knee IIRC.
Since that day I have not entered a Stop-N-Rob nor a restaurant, or any place where I cannot make an immediate and unimpeded exit without being strapped.
I have a Texas State issued LTC, and if I can't carry, about 99% of the time I don't go. What has helped is the 30-07 law that requires an business owner to post a State approved notice in regards to carrying a firearm, and only if you refuse to leave when requested have you commited an infraction.
Of course, being a Law Abiding Citizen, I never............
I do shoot weekly, sometimes multiple times.
Fortunately, in 30 years of carrying, I've only had to display a weapon 4 times to diffuse a situation.
Zero'ing a P365XL with Romeo Zero (my current daily carry) @10 yds.
ya!
GWB
That will due to shove in the upper classes face. Medium sized F u c king pistol!!!!
Just to stir the schidt, does everyone here carry all the time? I have heard a lot of rationalizations for not carrying in the past, hopefully that has changed. I doubt it.
The OP remains a moron, who really likes to type. Bourgeois, proletariat, satanist all in one post defines a phony of camper like dimension.
WJ, GFY some more.
mike r
Outside of court or the Capitol Chambers, (and then I leave my side arm in a friendly Representative's office as they trust me even if the Liberal Gov. of TN does not.) I carry everywhere I go. If I can not carry there, I don't go. All my license and such I do online so that takes me out of government buildings, unless I am compelled by order to go.
Does anyone here drive a car or truck without a spare?
Just to stir the schidt, does everyone here carry all the time? I have heard a lot of rationalizations for not carrying in the past, hopefully that has changed. I doubt it
mike r
I've been shooting all my life.
In high school I drove a '67 El Co. Kept my model 94 and a baseball bat in the gun rack. Parked next to the classrooms. Windows down and doors unlocked.
In the sixties, early 70's I would break down a model 94 and grab my 30 cal Luger, stow em' in a pack and hitch-hike up to our Farm near Cut n' Shoot Tx., stay a few days and catch a ride back home.
Over the next years, I typically had a firearm in reasonable proximity until one day in 1991.
At that time I was a licensed commercial real estate appraiser, and was in Kileen Tx. to perform an appraisal on two Apartment complexes. I went to lunch with the Manger and Maintenance Super at a local cafe that was a block or two down the street. It was called Luby's. I finished my appraisl the next day and headed back to the sububurb of Houston where I lived. On Wednesday, October 16, 1991, George Hennard, drove his pickup truck through the front window of the restaurant(Luby's). He quickly shot and killed 23 people, and wounded 27 others. He had a brief shootout with police, refused their orders to surrender, and fatally shot himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_shooting
The two folk that I had had lunch with on Monday were back there eating lunch when Mr. Hennnard carried out his attack. One was killed the other shot twice, in the face and knee IIRC.
Since that day I have not entered a Stop-N-Rob nor a restaurant, or any place where I cannot make an immediate and unimpeded exit without being strapped.
I have a Texas State issued LTC, and if I can't carry, about 99% of the time I don't go. What has helped is the 30-07 law that requires an business owner to post a State approved notice in regards to carrying a firearm, and only if you refuse to leave when requested have you commited an infraction.
Of course, being a Law Abiding Citizen, I never............
I do shoot weekly, sometimes multiple times.
Fortunately, in 30 years of carrying, I've only had to display a weapon 4 times to diffuse a situation.
Zero'ing a P365XL with Romeo Zero (my current daily carry) @10 yds.
ya!
GWB
G_Dub, good choice on the carry piece. That's what's on my belt everyday. That and a Rat 1.
And don't you ever never leave home without it, brother.
This placing class on people! Then explaining its because of your higher education place! Just another unconfident, young person reaching for justification of their assumptions! Reminds me of 60's, coffee shop talk! Heard enough of that gibberish, in the 60's! Nothing here except a few words, most would never use, unless they were trying to impress their audience! Not impressed! Just be yourself, and stand for what you believe! Actions always speak louder than words!
You there, neighbor to the North.
Stop making sense.
It's not allowed in these parts.
Hope the smoke's not too bad there, the Bootleg has become EPIC, for sure.
Smokes not bad today, the wind has taken pity on our area today! Sorry didn't mean to be logical!
Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes, as also the belt hang down and the Billy Pilgram cuff links. Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit. Don't mistake my comments for contempt. Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better. What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining. I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery. I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is.
Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes, as also the belt hang down and the Billy Pilgram cuff links. Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit. Don't mistake my comments for contempt. Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better. What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining. I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery. I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is.
Anywho, how many ways could I go with this.
Don’t know that I can keep up, but I’ll pedal as fast as I can!
"Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes"
Remember the ol "What's My Line".
Care to play?
Hate to be a spelling/Grammar Nazi, but IIRC the correct spelling is Pilgrim.
BTW, I don’t remember BP wearing cufflinks on Trafalmador while engaged with the nubile Montana Wildhack nor on the train!
And so it goes. Neither Nihilism, nor Existentialism are world views which I embrace (except when I absolutely have to).
"Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit."
My maternal grand-mother's second husband was a barber. Kinda grew up in his barber shop in the 50's and early 60's. He had a sign above the entry door, inside, said "It pays to look well". Pretty much always wear pressed pants and a shirt with a collar in public.
Since we are name dropping, perhaps you remember the line from that flick of some renown, "Zorro the Gay Blade" where George Harrison played a double role as Sir Bunny Wigglesworth and a gay Zorro!
Just before encouraging the "pipples" to engage in "La Revolucion" he uttered the famous epitaph, "There is no crime in being poor, only in dressing poorly"................... Ah, words to live by!
"Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better."
Maybe a cop-out, but IIRC, I read somewhere a wise man once said.....
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
So in all things I strive not to judge, but, the same source as above also is reported to have stated [with amplification in brackets)]......
"By their fruit you will recognize them [that is, by their contrived doctrine and self-focus]. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles?
Consequently I strive to be a fruit inspector?
"What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining?
I'd say that would be subjective, as yours and my perspective would most likely fit within the definition of an antinomy.
“We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperately try to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain. By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in solitude. Sensations, feelings, insights, fancies—all these are private and, except through symbols and at second hand, incommunicable. We can pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves. From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes.” ― Aldous Huxley, The Doors of Perception ( Yah, I know I mentioned that I was not a fan of Nihilism, but what the hey. if I can use the word antinomy in a sentence, perhaps one will indulge the transgression)
"I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery".
Years ago, I mentioned more than once, when it came to rifles, if the only thing i was interested in was accuracy, all my rifles would be "Savage". Twenty years ago if one had told me that I'd own European Single shot rifles with iron sights and wispy thin barrels, I'd ask what they'd been smokin!
I will make the caveat, that I have seldom been sorry that I invested in quality goods.
"I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is"
Once again, ball is in your court as that would be subjective and a matter of perception.
I've heard it said that "the sleep of the laborer is sweet, but the rich man counts all his possessions.
I do know that I find that knowledge and experience accumulate.
I believe that it was John Barrymore that is reported to have said......A man is not truly old until regrets take the place of dreams.
Over the years my ambition has been to achieve the status of a 'professional small boy' and maintain that joie de vivre. After a lifetime of enjoying toys,I've deiced that there are those that give a lifetime of enjoyment, and those that tend to go away. The key is to not let them own you!
How's this for conflicted? Think of your white collar employee in corporate America. They went on from high school to get a college degree in finance, engineering, some kind of science, business etc. so they could presumably make a better salary. If they don't still have student debt, they've probably got a mortgage, car payments, maybe some credit cards, life insurance, and they need health insurance because they've got kids now and they have to be responsible and everything and eventually want to help their kids pay for college too. So they've got a job working for corporate America, the S&P 500, Fortune 100 -- take your pick. Which of these isn't liberal-minded especially when it comes to the 2nd Amendment? Amazon, Apple, IBM, Deloitte, Salesforce, PWC, Bank of America, JP Morgan, AT&T, Facebook, Exxon, Google... If Republican (legislators) are supposed to be pro-Corporate America (as opposed to progressive dems), their affection certainly isn't reciprocated on this issue.
The conflict that the corporate man has stems from his huge investment in appealing to the corporations. His education, career, his family, his home, his healthcare, even where he lives, most all his life is leveraged on pleasing the company or another one just like it. Can he afford to be controversially pro-gun, pro-carry? I don't just mean will they survive career-wise. Do they have any friends that possess this unconventional thinking? What will their family think, the family that directed and supported their ascent through college into this career? The wife's friends? Sure, it's concealed and it doesn't have to be anybody else's business. I wouldn't even suggest that anyone should know. But how many people in this situation are going to that way without some support or guidance from anyone? They never saw their parents do it. They didn't learn it in college. They don't see it visible at the office. Where would they even get the notion, and if they did, what are the chances they'd have the courage to do it?
Perfect example of Pres. Reagan’s observation that, “It’s not that liberals (ie, today’s Marxist scum) don’t know anything, its that so much of what they know is wrong.”
By his language and construct this is a Brit/Euro educated Commie troll. He/she/it/they isn’t worth the time of day or worth the air or space taken up.
BTW, he’s wrong on all counts about the behavior of the people described who he clearly neither knows nor is. Truly the most worthless post I’ve ever seen.
Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes, as also the belt hang down and the Billy Pilgram cuff links. Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit. Don't mistake my comments for contempt. Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better. What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining. I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery. I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is.
I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is.
Wilson Combat because it goes bang every time, Sig because it does too but easier to conceal. Python because I wanted it and if you conceal who knows WTF you have?
Move along, move along, these are not the droids you are looking for...
Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes, as also the belt hang down and the Billy Pilgram cuff links. Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit. Don't mistake my comments for contempt. Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better. What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining. I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery. I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is.
Anywho, how many ways could I go with this.
Don’t know that I can keep up, but I’ll pedal as fast as I can!
"Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes"
Remember the ol "What's My Line".
Care to play?
Hate to be a spelling/Grammar Nazi, but IIRC the correct spelling is Pilgrim.
BTW, I don’t remember BP wearing cufflinks on Trafalmador while engaged with the nubile Montana Wildhack nor on the train!
And so it goes. Neither Nihilism, nor Existentialism are world views which I embrace (except when I absolutely have to).
"Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit."
My maternal grand-mother's second husband was a barber. Kinda grew up in his barber shop in the 50's and early 60's. He had a sign above the entry door, inside, said "It pays to look well". Pretty much always wear pressed pants and a shirt with a collar in public.
Since we are name dropping, perhaps you remember the line from that flick of some renown, "Zorro the Gay Blade" where George Harrison played a double role as Sir Bunny Wigglesworth and a gay Zorro!
Just before encouraging the "pipples" to engage in "La Revolucion" he uttered the famous epitaph, "There is no crime in being poor, only in dressing poorly"................... Ah, words to live by!
"Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better."
Maybe a cop-out, but IIRC, I read somewhere a wise man once said.....
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
So in all things I strive not to judge, but, the same source as above also is reported to have stated [with amplification in brackets)]......
"By their fruit you will recognize them [that is, by their contrived doctrine and self-focus]. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles?
Consequently I strive to be a fruit inspector?
"What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining?
I'd say that would be subjective, as yours and my perspective would most likely fit within the definition of an antinomy.
“We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperately try to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain. By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in solitude. Sensations, feelings, insights, fancies—all these are private and, except through symbols and at second hand, incommunicable. We can pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves. From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes.” ― Aldous Huxley, The Doors of Perception ( Yah, I know I mentioned that I was not a fan of Nihilism, but what the hey. if I can use the word antinomy in a sentence, perhaps one will indulge the transgression)
"I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery".
Years ago, I mentioned more than once, when it came to rifles, if the only thing i was interested in was accuracy, all my rifles would be "Savage". Twenty years ago if one had told me that I'd own European Single shot rifles with iron sights and wispy thin barrels, I'd ask what they'd been smokin!
I will make the caveat, that I have seldom been sorry that I invested in quality goods.
"I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is"
Once again, ball is in your court as that would be subjective and a matter of perception.
I've heard it said that "the sleep of the laborer is sweet, but the rich man counts all his possessions.
I do know that I find that knowledge and experience accumulate.
I believe that it was John Barrymore that is reported to have said......A man is not truly old until regrets take the place of dreams.
Over the years my ambition has been to achieve the status of a 'professional small boy' and maintain that joie de vivre. After a lifetime of enjoying toys,I've deiced that there are those that give a lifetime of enjoyment, and those that tend to go away. The key is to not let them own you!
Best,
GWB
Hear Hear.
Well said, extremely well said.
(Nihilism, antimony, and transgression all in the same sentence even!)
Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes, as also the belt hang down and the Billy Pilgram cuff links. Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit. Don't mistake my comments for contempt. Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better. What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining. I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery. I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is.
Anywho, how many ways could I go with this.
Don’t know that I can keep up, but I’ll pedal as fast as I can!
"Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes"
Remember the ol "What's My Line".
Care to play?
Hate to be a spelling/Grammar Nazi, but IIRC the correct spelling is Pilgrim.
BTW, I don’t remember BP wearing cufflinks on Trafalmador while engaged with the nubile Montana Wildhack nor on the train!
And so it goes. Neither Nihilism, nor Existentialism are world views which I embrace (except when I absolutely have to).
"Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit."
My maternal grand-mother's second husband was a barber. Kinda grew up in his barber shop in the 50's and early 60's. He had a sign above the entry door, inside, said "It pays to look well". Pretty much always wear pressed pants and a shirt with a collar in public.
Since we are name dropping, perhaps you remember the line from that flick of some renown, "Zorro the Gay Blade" where George Harrison played a double role as Sir Bunny Wigglesworth and a gay Zorro!
Just before encouraging the "pipples" to engage in "La Revolucion" he uttered the famous epitaph, "There is no crime in being poor, only in dressing poorly"................... Ah, words to live by!
"Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better."
Maybe a cop-out, but IIRC, I read somewhere a wise man once said.....
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
So in all things I strive not to judge, but, the same source as above also is reported to have stated [with amplification in brackets)]......
"By their fruit you will recognize them [that is, by their contrived doctrine and self-focus]. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles?
Consequently I strive to be a fruit inspector?
"What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining?
I'd say that would be subjective, as yours and my perspective would most likely fit within the definition of an antinomy.
“We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperately try to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain. By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in solitude. Sensations, feelings, insights, fancies—all these are private and, except through symbols and at second hand, incommunicable. We can pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves. From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes.” ― Aldous Huxley, The Doors of Perception ( Yah, I know I mentioned that I was not a fan of Nihilism, but what the hey. if I can use the word antinomy in a sentence, perhaps one will indulge the transgression)
"I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery".
Years ago, I mentioned more than once, when it came to rifles, if the only thing i was interested in was accuracy, all my rifles would be "Savage". Twenty years ago if one had told me that I'd own European Single shot rifles with iron sights and wispy thin barrels, I'd ask what they'd been smokin!
I will make the caveat, that I have seldom been sorry that I invested in quality goods.
"I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is"
Once again, ball is in your court as that would be subjective and a matter of perception.
I've heard it said that "the sleep of the laborer is sweet, but the rich man counts all his possessions.
I do know that I find that knowledge and experience accumulate.
I believe that it was John Barrymore that is reported to have said......A man is not truly old until regrets take the place of dreams.
Over the years my ambition has been to achieve the status of a 'professional small boy' and maintain that joie de vivre. After a lifetime of enjoying toys,I've deiced that there are those that give a lifetime of enjoyment, and those that tend to go away. The key is to not let them own you!
Best,
GWB
Hear Hear.
Well said, extremely well said.
(Nihilism, antimony, and transgression all in the same sentence even!)
I remember the first pickup I had with an antimony transgression!!! Now it was a real Class identifier!!!
I dont give a chit about keeping up w the Jones's.
New car and fancy duds......for many it just means theyre " Nicker rich "
See a lot of that at the GM plant.
Democrats, barely graduated HS.....new cars, divorced a couple times.....layoff come and they freak out......no money in the bank.
But to an outsider......they looked well off.
I call it 1st in things that dont count.
Live within your means. Plan ahead.
And say FU to others who aint earned their schitt and are jealous of those who have.
This is the USA . Anyone can choose the right or wrong path to success or failure. Problem is people wont own their failure and blame others for it. That have 0 to do with their path they chose.
Why I wing pennies at bums on the side of the street doing 45 50 mph. Just helping em out is the way I see it. That extra 15 cents of pennies ( best controllable pattern IME) Might put em over the top trading day stock on their smart phones
Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes, as also the belt hang down and the Billy Pilgram cuff links. Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit. Don't mistake my comments for contempt. Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better. What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining. I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery. I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is.
Anywho, how many ways could I go with this.
Don’t know that I can keep up, but I’ll pedal as fast as I can!
"Bourbon, tequlia, and the can of Lone Star speaks volumes"
Remember the ol "What's My Line".
Care to play?
Hate to be a spelling/Grammar Nazi, but IIRC the correct spelling is Pilgrim.
BTW, I don’t remember BP wearing cufflinks on Trafalmador while engaged with the nubile Montana Wildhack nor on the train!
And so it goes. Neither Nihilism, nor Existentialism are world views which I embrace (except when I absolutely have to).
"Then there's the polyester shirt with the cargo pants or the two-button suit."
My maternal grand-mother's second husband was a barber. Kinda grew up in his barber shop in the 50's and early 60's. He had a sign above the entry door, inside, said "It pays to look well". Pretty much always wear pressed pants and a shirt with a collar in public.
Since we are name dropping, perhaps you remember the line from that flick of some renown, "Zorro the Gay Blade" where George Harrison played a double role as Sir Bunny Wigglesworth and a gay Zorro!
Just before encouraging the "pipples" to engage in "La Revolucion" he uttered the famous epitaph, "There is no crime in being poor, only in dressing poorly"................... Ah, words to live by!
"Those things are very class revealing. Does that imply shaming? It could to a snob that looks down from something they think is better."
Maybe a cop-out, but IIRC, I read somewhere a wise man once said.....
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
So in all things I strive not to judge, but, the same source as above also is reported to have stated [with amplification in brackets)]......
"By their fruit you will recognize them [that is, by their contrived doctrine and self-focus]. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles?
Consequently I strive to be a fruit inspector?
"What I want to know is whether the piece is itself also class defining?
I'd say that would be subjective, as yours and my perspective would most likely fit within the definition of an antinomy.
“We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperately try to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain. By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in solitude. Sensations, feelings, insights, fancies—all these are private and, except through symbols and at second hand, incommunicable. We can pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves. From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes.” ― Aldous Huxley, The Doors of Perception ( Yah, I know I mentioned that I was not a fan of Nihilism, but what the hey. if I can use the word antinomy in a sentence, perhaps one will indulge the transgression)
"I know some people think an Ed Brown is classier than a Hi Point. There's that intraclass snobbery".
Years ago, I mentioned more than once, when it came to rifles, if the only thing i was interested in was accuracy, all my rifles would be "Savage". Twenty years ago if one had told me that I'd own European Single shot rifles with iron sights and wispy thin barrels, I'd ask what they'd been smokin!
I will make the caveat, that I have seldom been sorry that I invested in quality goods.
"I wonder rather just how strong a class signal carrying (not just owning) anything really is"
Once again, ball is in your court as that would be subjective and a matter of perception.
I've heard it said that "the sleep of the laborer is sweet, but the rich man counts all his possessions.
I do know that I find that knowledge and experience accumulate.
I believe that it was John Barrymore that is reported to have said......A man is not truly old until regrets take the place of dreams.
Over the years my ambition has been to achieve the status of a 'professional small boy' and maintain that joie de vivre. After a lifetime of enjoying toys,I've deiced that there are those that give a lifetime of enjoyment, and those that tend to go away. The key is to not let them own you!
Best,
GWB
Hear Hear.
Well said, extremely well said.
(Nihilism, antimony, and transgression all in the same sentence even!)
I remember the first pickup I had with an antimony transgression!!! Now it was a real Class identifier!!!
What a bunch of quasi-intelligent b.s. generalizations. I'm from working class, earned my degree the hard way, worked everything from manual labor to college instructor. Never rich but feel it is not only my right but my responsibility to carry to protect myself, my family and what I've earned. I got none of your elitist labeled categories.
Geedubya, you still in the category of "Da Man"!!! /quote]
Is this the "Da-Man of which you speak?
Wonder what ever happened to that guy?
I for one hated to see him banned.
He definitely had a different perspective hanging with him could deifinitely be a challenge IIRC.
Walter banned me permanently about 6 months ago. DRG saved my bacon at least 4 times, but I think during the covid nonsense, when I posted an article with the title being "Does the State have and interest in promoting Chaos" that was the last straw.
Anyhoo... that reminds me, I was at the Alamo telling the visitors about Texas history according to Birdwatcher and a little kid called out “SANTA DOESN’T KILL PEOPLE!” 🙂
geedubya; Good evening to you my southern friend, I hope the day was a fine one for you all and life is going more than less according to plan.
Thanks for the photos of "large handguns" and assorted other stuff, I very much enjoy when threads morph into this sort of thing.
It's like free verse poetry or something, you know?
Since we Canucks don't get to carry concealed, I'll have to admit to being in a lower class than any presented, however, so far we're still allowed handguns.
I had this one and sold it to a chap a few provinces over. He'd never handled one and when I said, "It's pretty huge" he asked for a photo that he could reference.
If we were allowed to carry, this would be the only one suitable in the safe at present, but honestly I'd likely get a 10mm Auto and be happy for bear country and whatever else.
This one has been mine for about 3 dozen years now and we do get along well. There's even some knives there GW.
All the best to you all and thanks again to you and all for the photos.
Geno; Good evening to you my cyber friend, I hope you're doing fine.
I bought that Security Six from Fletcher's Sports in Oroville WA. in about '84 or possibly early '85?
Back then if we had the transfer papers we Canucks needed, the northern Washington gun dealers would release them to us and we'd trot off and cross back into Canada with them in a paper bag.
Nobody was killed or harmed or well anything by us rednecks either, you know?
I miss Field Grade's posts too, he struck me as quite a character and to no one's surprise I'm sure, I've known a fair few.
Likely comes with our line of work and general proclivity for hunting and shooting I suspect.
geedubya; Good evening to you my southern friend, I hope the day was a fine one for you all and life is going more than less according to plan.
Thanks for the photos of "large handguns" and assorted other stuff, I very much enjoy when threads morph into this sort of thing.
It's like free verse poetry or something, you know?
Since we Canucks don't get to carry concealed, I'll have to admit to being in a lower class than any presented, however, so far we're still allowed handguns.
I had this one and sold it to a chap a few provinces over. He'd never handled one and when I said, "It's pretty huge" he asked for a photo that he could reference.
If we were allowed to carry, this would be the only one suitable in the safe at present, but honestly I'd likely get a 10mm Auto and be happy for bear country and whatever else.
This one has been mine for about 3 dozen years now and we do get along well. There's even some knives there GW.
All the best to you all and thanks again to you and all for the photos.
Dwayne
10/4
I don't know why but I 've never got into percussion rifles or pistols.
Do like the knife. Looks to be quite handy!
anywho here's a "back at ya" with a small one.
I don't know if you recollect some years back when our "Governor Good Hair" AKA Rick Perry was jogging with his security detail and his daughters pooch. Evidently a coyote bounded onto the track and he pulled his Ruger LCP with laser out of a fanny pack and dispatched the song dog!
Subsequent to that Ruger produced a run of "Coyote Special"
Also marked " ATrue Texan" .
They were billed as being sold "To Texans Only"
Of course I had to snag one. Even carried it for a while!
A short time after I snagged it, I put a laser on it.
Anything good enough for the Guv' was good enough for me
Over the years my ambition has been to achieve the status of a 'professional small boy' and maintain that joie de vivre. After a lifetime of enjoying toys,I've deiced that there are those that give a lifetime of enjoyment, and those that tend to go away. The key is to not let them own you!
Best,
GWB
I'm less impressed by the pseudo-intellectualism than I am by your forbearance and your understanding of Matthew 7. I would also add:
"But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?"
Over the years my ambition has been to achieve the status of a 'professional small boy' and maintain that joie de vivre. After a lifetime of enjoying toys,I've deiced that there are those that give a lifetime of enjoyment, and those that tend to go away. The key is to not let them own you!
Best,
GWB
I'm less impressed by the pseudo-intellectualism than I am by your forbearance and your understanding of Matthew 7. I would also add:
"But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?"
Are there any buildings near you, over 5 stories high, that you could throw yourself off?
I'm less impressed by the pseudo-intellectualism than I am by your forbearance and your understanding of Matthew 7. I would also add:
"But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?"
Anywho, no intellectual here. Above my pay-grade.
I believe it was St. Jerome that postulated
“The Scriptures are shallow enough for a babe to come and drink without fear of drowning and deep enough for a theologians to swim in without ever touching the bottom"
I'm just fortune that at a young age while searching for the Balm of Gilead, I was inoculated, and as such the daily exposure to the vicissitudes of life have not stolen my joy!
I thought I might be “wealthy working class.” Or “redneck rich” I have a fair number of nice guns and a few other toys but good golly after following some of the geedubya threads and his shootin’ irons it turns out that I’m really dirt poor with trailer trash taste.
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